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November 2012 - lots of babies that can't wait for November

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StuntNun · 16/10/2012 18:59

Previous ante-natal thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1584066-November-2012-babies-arriving-early-and-impatient-mummies-to-be

Post-natal thread for the graduates: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1579907-November-2012-babies-are-here-at-last

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YellowWellies · 21/10/2012 21:45

Offtopic geekery warning ignore if prone to drowsiness

Very true Horsey - but the pace of this change - geologically, is unprecedented (am a professional geek in this area - have been using the models and projecting impacts for insurance companies and energy utilities etc for nigh on 10 years).

The climate models fall down because we can't model large chaotic systems like the Arctic Oscillation, North Atlantic Oscillation and the Jet Stream - even beyond a fortnight we struggle because it is so erratic. We are getting better at modelling ENSO / El Nino / La Nina but we have a lot to learn. I don't believe we can accurately model climate change to a localised degree or short term timescale, nor do I believe we understand all of the ins and outs and the unexpected consequences but we are learning more and more.

The changes we are seeing just do not fit with the solar cycle, wobbles in the earth's rotation, volcanic activity on their own etc - it's only when you add our emissions onto natural factors (and worse still the natural emissions that warming is now triggering from forest fires in the Amazon, drought ridden soils, melting methane hydrates, and melting permafrost) that the trend fits the graph of observed change.

As Cheney (or was it Rumsfeld?) said there are known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns! We're only in the early days so I hate it when the press totally misrepresent the science as it colours so many folks views and leads to me banging my head against the wall when facing armchair experts (am not thinking you here, am more thinking DFIL!!!) with their education fuelled entirely by the Daily Mail and the Great Global Warming swindle (which misrepresented the scientists on it, relabelled graphs to suit it's case etc) ....

The science on blockages and kinks in the Jet Stream is very new and totally fascinating to a geek like me and seems to be linked (IMHO) to the albedo effect i.e. where we've seen sea ice lost or slow to reform in the autumn - rather than having white ice which reflects sunlight you have dark sea which absorbs it and which leads to a column of hot air and high pressure which knocks the Jet Stream off course. But you need the right sea surface temperatures and Arctic Oscillation conditions for it all to combine into a bad snowy winter. The basic physics is pretty irrefutable, and it looks to have happened 3 winters out of the last 4, and for the last 3 summers (i.e. we end up with wash outs).

TheDetective · 21/10/2012 21:46

Had to take my engagement ring off over a year ago, thanks to an allergic reaction! DP said I can have a new one Grin

I'll see if it still fits!

I'd highly recommend taking rings off, if you have lots any IV fluids in labour, which is very common (especially for c/s births) you WILL swell!

Mostly your feet and ankles, but hands will a little too. Easier just to take them off now, and put them back on 1-2 weeks after birth!

YellowWellies · 21/10/2012 21:46

That should help all of you 4am club to go to sleep eh? Grin

TheDetective · 21/10/2012 21:49
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YellowWellies · 21/10/2012 21:50

Well if you need to get back to sleep at 4am - have a read then - it should work wonders!!!! Grin

blonderthanred · 21/10/2012 21:55

I am with you YW and don't think it's boring at all. Just - can we do anything about it? Are a few lentil-weavers with their reusable nappies (VQ Wink) going to have any impact if big countries make no changes? Or even if they do can we slow the progression enough? When I visited Africa I found it really depressing that any 'development' seems to be modelled on a version of the West that many are trying to escape from. Oil, tobacco etc. I'm not an expert but that was how it appeared to me.

On the topic of rings, my grandmother also had hers cut off in pgy so I took mine off when my fingers swelled during the warm weather we did occasionally have this summer.

TheDetective · 21/10/2012 21:58

I'll give it a go YW Grin

I used to be intelligent too, you know! Being pregnant has fooked my brain up!

Random post - when anyone else gets a BH, does it make you feel breathless? I get some which literally make me feel like I've been oxygen deprived! Everything is pulled downwards, I go lightheaded and breathless. Not painful, just a strange sensation!

I've never had anyone describe this to me, or heard of it otherwise! Anyone else the same?!

TheDetective · 21/10/2012 21:59

It isn't anything I'm worried about btw, as they have always been that way!

horseylady · 21/10/2012 21:59

Yw - as a physicist I'd need more than 4 years worth of 'evidence' lol. I studied climate briefly I don't think we can categorically say that what we are seeing is caused by greenhouse gasses etc. We can learn from the dinosaurs though!!

I have no idea what is right or what course anything is taking. As I said, I studied it very briefly, it fascinated me and I like listening to the arguments for and against!! I'm just aware it has been much warmer than this. I don't know how much snow we had then though......

horseylady · 21/10/2012 22:06

Detective - yes mine feel similar to that!

TheDetective · 21/10/2012 22:07

Good! Glad to hear I'm not going mad and imagining it!

Am having one now, blood rushing to my head...

YellowWellies · 21/10/2012 22:20

Oh aye horsey we do need much more evidence - I do fear though that by the time we have the evidence needed to persuade our most entrenched vested interests it'll be too late to make a modicum of difference. Sadly though we are never going to get a big 'I'm a result of climate change' sign on any meteorological event or extreme, there is always going to be uncertainty.

I've really enjoyed Miles Allen's work on how a higher global average temperature makes extremes of the water cycle - flood, drought, snow etc more likely largely due to the fact that the atmosphere has 4% more water vapour in it than just 30 years ago. I'd also really recommend 6 Degrees by Mark Lynas - which is a great book that links what 'change' we might expect for each degree of warming - and is heavily based on palaeoclimate data and compares the warming then with that occurring now. A really cool book.

Pah - babybrain what babybrain eh?!!! We'll be covered in someone elses' bodily fluids and snoozing into our teacups before we know it.... but am enjoying this whilst I can!!!

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Izzybuzzybuzzybees · 21/10/2012 22:46

I'm still here. Was away for our anniversary weekend. Had a lovely time til fire alarm went off early this morning. I got such a massive fright I was screaming like a banshee! DH had to calm me down then tell me to get dressed, so hot I was sleeping in just my knickers! Was a false alarm so we didn't have to evacuate but it took ages for my heart to stop pounding and me get back to sleep. Was booked into spa on Sat and had a lovely 70min prenatal treatment. Was bliss. Also wallowing in the pool like a hippo and had lovely food. Back to normal tonight. In agony with SPD and heading to bed now. Nursery closed tomorrow so in for a LONG day with DD. Sorry for rambly post. Hard to formal on phone! Night all xx

kirrinIsland · 21/10/2012 22:55

I've definitely got baby brain - reading YW's posts has just made my brain explode

Passmethecrisps · 21/10/2012 23:06

Ouch ouch ouch ouch! I have managed to get my engagement ring off but jeeeeezzo it was painful. Had to leave my wedding ring on because the finger has now swollen so much in response to me removing the other one off I can actually see it throbbing. I should have waited until tomorrow morning anyway. One down two to go.

ComradeJing · 22/10/2012 00:28

Morning all. Just sat in the waiting room for my ob/gyn appointment. Why are they always bloody late?

Soooo over being pregnant now.

Took DD for a swim on Friday and it was absolutely brilliant. Felt like my entire body unkinked and knackered here too. Perfect!

Iheartpasties · 22/10/2012 00:44

passme you had people over just for pudding?! That?s osunds fab, tell me more!! I dream sometimes of going to lovely restaurants and just ordering desert x3!! :)

YW snow??! Yikes!

I agree with VQ sometimes I feel we need a register so everyone can say 'here' !!

Well it seems wintery here today, windy and rainy, but still quite warm, so maybe it's just a mixed bag. I have had the plumber here - I was cursing him because he was late, but he has actually sorted what we needed doing really quickly so now I am happy. We have a new shower head and hose and a sink that empties out quickly! horay!

I've got a mate calling over some time. It'll be nice to see her, she is due at the beginning of Nov so I'm sure we'll be talking pregnancy the whole time!

I then have the midwife this afternoon.

I am feeling really emotional, mostly not so good. I have never in my life felt so up and down as I have whilst being pregnant this time around. I'm pretty fed up of it all now.

wellieboots · 22/10/2012 03:58

Congratulations catbag, hope your recovery goes well and quickly and that you enjoy getting to know your two little people :) My brother and SIL had twins who are now 11 months old and they are amazing.

How many babies will we have this week, I wonder?

Picking up my TENS machine tomorrow, baby can come any time after that, but isn't even engaged yet so I'm resigning myself to ending up with an induction, bit dramatic I know, must be the hormones. Bloody hormones making me a bit homesick too :(

have a good day pasties despite the wind, and see the 4am club soon!

NervousAt20 · 22/10/2012 04:28

Sorry I haven't been on to update no Internet signal in the hospital, we just got home today so thought id take the chance while shes feedung,haven't had a chance to read through the thread properly so haven't caught up with anybody else's news but I'm sure there's lots and more babies so congratulations if there is and hope all you ladies are keeping well!!

So I had my c section Friday, everything went well, the fluid around the baby had dropped after I had leaked some earlier that week. We've called our little one Ellie and she weighs just under 6 pound Grin age is so tiny! I'm so glad to be home with her! BF is going well so hopefully it stays that way. DP has been completely amazing with her and me. It's so strange to not be pregnant anymore but I love having my little girl to cuddle too

Peaky1 · 22/10/2012 04:36

Congratulations Nervous!! Really happy for you and glad BF is going well. A nice positive read Smile.

In other news...meh at the 4am club Angry.

Peaky1 · 22/10/2012 04:43

Oh! Thought I'd share my extremely dodgy dream. I was having a get together at my house where a rep was demonstrating the different types of cloth nappies to my guests and I. The weird bit was that the Gremlins (the evil scaley ones that eat after midnight, not the cute fluffy mogwai ones) were trying to sell us their version of nappies. I had locked their rep (Spike) out in the garden and he was giving us murderous looks through the window. Unfortunately I didn't get to see what Spike was trying to sell us as I woke up at that point.

Hmmm Gremlin nappies Hmm Confused

NervousAt20 · 22/10/2012 04:47

Thank you peaky Smile

Ha gremlins

rowingdowntheriver · 22/10/2012 06:16

It's been a while so I'm just dropping in to say congratulations to those with new babies (catbag and nervous) and also that I'm off to have my c-section this morning!

All going well I will update you on sex / name etc later on.

Rowing

blonderthanred · 22/10/2012 06:24

Good luck rowing, how exciting.

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