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Due in June 2006 - Part Two!

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Laura032004 · 06/01/2006 17:00

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LilacBump · 10/02/2006 11:21

in the ante-natal classes i did when pregnant with DD there was one session about reusable nappies. we got to see all these different ones and also just plain terry nappies. the lady who did the talk did a nappy washing service where they come and pick them up and wash & dry them for you. if we'd had the money back then we would definitely have done it. i think you really would need a tumble dryer as i've heard they take ages to dry naturally.
as for disposables, we always used pampers but i might try tesco's own as many mumsnetters have said they're good.

baby's kicking a lot harder now and pushing up my skin! you can see my bump wobble with some kicks! he also seems to respond to talking and stroking my bump. and my belly button is all flattened out now!

diddle · 10/02/2006 11:25

Does anyone know when i should be arranging ante natal classes, should i be booking onto one soon? and when do they start? or does it vary

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LilacBump · 10/02/2006 11:33

we booked quite early for ours, when i was about 15 weeks. i think ours started when i was near 28 weeks. it was about 6 lessons, with partner if he wanted to come, at the hospital i was going to have my baby. i found them very helpful. it covered things like labour, pain relief, newborn care, a tour of the labour ward and the best bit was when we sat in on a newborn baby having his first bath!

misstimms · 10/02/2006 11:35

Hello everyone can I join your thread please? I'm due with my 2nd baby on 25/06/06 and am very excited!! The 20 wk scan is next thurs and can't wait to see baby in the bump again!

diddle · 10/02/2006 11:57

welcome misstimms - congratulations

was wondering, nope the midwife didn't book me on them, she did give me some leaflets, so i think i better find them.

abbey1515 · 10/02/2006 12:15

Hi Misstimms, and welcome!
Diddle, as my midwife/ antenatal care etc are miles away I'm booking onto NCT classes, and have joined NCT. They are about £100 for the full course, but the people running them are lovely.
Nappies- am caught between the towelling nappy contingent (grandparents) and disposable nappy contingent (friends) who all seem to have very strong views on the matter! I want to use Terrys, but the thought of scraping off baby poo isn't that appealing...
Kathryn, will join commune if bronzer and Heat magazine allowed. Bobble hat is slightly more acceptible, although I may just shave it all off!

Laura032004 · 10/02/2006 12:31

Welcome misstimms - nice to see somebody else due at the end of the month - I'm the 28th. I was starting to think I'd be here all by myself at the end!

I am a cloth user - ds has been in them since he was a couple of weeks old, and is now 22m. We use Tots and Motherease wraps (snap waswondering ) I wouldn't worry too much about not having a tumbler - I do mine for half an hour at the start to fluff them up, but then dry them naturally. During the summer I don't tumble at all, and they do feel hard at first, but they soften up as soon as they are wet anyway. My nursery is very happy to use cloth, I'm sure most are. My DH is chief poo scraper, so I don't even have that to worry about!

Antenatal classes - my MW ran a 10 week set of classes, so you just joined the course that was most suitable for your dates. The evening one got booked up well before I asked, but you get time off work anyway for them, so that wasn't too much of a problem. I also did the NCT classes so DH could join in. I think the most important bit is the hospital tour, and bf talk if you are considering bfing. I'd try and go to an NCT bf class, as I found that a lot better than the NHS one (esp since everyone else in my class was planning to formula feed, so it had quite a negative slant, whereas everyone in the NCT class wanted to at least try bf).

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vbab78 · 10/02/2006 12:40

diddle - I phoned up my local hospital and put my name down for classes after my midwife advised me too when I was about 15 weeks because they are very popular. They are due to start when I am 26 weeks, a night a week for 4 weeks.

vbab78 · 10/02/2006 12:47

Thank you everyone for your advice. But I am still undecided about reusable nappies or not. I WISH I KNEW HOW TO MAKE A DECISION.

There's just so many contradicting opinions on getting the nappies dry. It would just be a nightmare to spend all that money on them then not be able to get them dry or they dry hard.

Laura032004 · 10/02/2006 13:27

vbab78 - why do you really want to use reusable nappies? If it is just the money saving aspect, then I would probably say don't bother. They certainly are cheaper, but they do involve some effort, which you might get fed up of. I use them because I believe that they are environmentally better, and more comfortable for ds.

I wouldn't worry about spending out the money - if you get the right ones they have a great resale value when nearly new. You could even try 2nd hand to start with, then if you don't get on with them, you will hardly lose anything.

I have a lot of nappies as I airdry mine. I wash every third day, so I have six days worth. They then have three days to dry, and are usually dry in less than two. Have you got space to have an airer permanently up? Six days worth of nappies would cost £250ish. Add on some wraps, and you're up to £300. You will spend that easily on disposables in less than a year, and I am still using mine at 22m. I will also use them for this baby.

If you look at second hand, you can get them for £4ish each, which dramatically reduces the cost - try thenappylady.co.uk classified section, or the buy and sell on UKParents.co.uk.

Either way, I wouldn't start with cloth from day one - we used disposables for the first week or so. I'd had a c/s, and couldn't be bothered with any extra effort. I will probably use them from day one this time, but I'm used to them now.

Any other questions, just ask

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BABY2 · 10/02/2006 13:27

welcome misstimms-and congratulations. good look for your scan next thursday,[amile]

vbab78 · 10/02/2006 14:45

Laura - thanks for the help. I was thinking of motherease as I have read good reviews.

It isn't just about the cost. I would like to use reusable but I am concerned about getting them dry.

I would be looking at doing a wash load every day and I would be air drying because I haven't got a tumble dryer and I haven't got room to have an airer permanently up in the house. If I'm lucky I could put a couple in the airing cupboard but wouldn't they then go hard?

vbab78 · 10/02/2006 15:14

laura - Sorry forgot to ask. Have you ever used kushies nappies (reusable) or know anyone that has?

I just saw them at Mothercare the other day and wondered if they were any good. They look cute.

PomsMum · 10/02/2006 15:53

We're cloth nappy users - using the OneLife system since dd was about 4 weeks old (now 13 months), love them, so easy, no need for a tumble drier although it makes life easier in the winter, no nappy rash, and the feel good factor about the environment. I've recommended them to about 4 friends and they all use them now. Hoorah for OneLife (like Motherease but nicer in my opinion).

vbab78 · 10/02/2006 20:19

pomsmum - Thanks for the tip about onelife nappies. Where do you buy them from?

Laura032004 · 10/02/2006 20:40

I would say that if you are doing a wash load of nappies every day, then you are probably not going to be doing much good environmentally speaking. However, you can wash the nappies with other clothes, but some people prefer not to. I'd imagine with a small baby and no tumble drier, you are looking at having an airer permanently up anyway - I know we usually have two up. You could put them in the airing cupboard, my cousin does that. They do go hard, but as I say, they soften up once wet anyway. I would think Motherease One Size (MEOS) would be good for non-tumble drying as the pile is a lot flatter than Tots, so the 'crunchiness' is a bit less noticeable. I dried mine in Cyprus over the summer (parents live out there), and they went mega-crunchy as they dried too quickly. All they needed was a rub together to soften up, and with the flannelette liners that I use, none of the terry is actually next to the skin anyway.

Kooshies / Kushies - please don't go there! According to their own literature they will only be waterproof for approx 120 washes. That's not a lot - most of my Tots have been washed twice that amount already, and are still fine. I could probably sell them on for £4 each, whereas Kooshies at that age are worth nothing really. I found that they leaked, so needed an extra wrap even though they say they don't, they need a lot of boosting, and as they are an all in one (wrap and nappy together) they will take longer to dry. Some people do rate them, but I don't think that anybody that has tried one of the best systems (eg Tots or MEOS) does. Also, don't go with Bambino Mio nappies, or any prefolds. They are OK, but not the best, and you may as well make life as easy as possible. If you get a good system, it will work for you, whereas going for the cheaper option (which prefolds are), works out more costly, as they don't work that well.

Hope you didn't take offence from my comment about using them because they're cheaper - I think some people get into them that way, but don't realise that they do involve some work. Once you're used to it, it does seem like nothing, but at the start when all of your friends are using really easy disposables, it seems like a bit of a drag. Now I wouldn't be without them - I've paid excess luggage to take them on holiday & always take them away for the weekend. The only poo leaks that we have ever had (apart from when DH forgot the wrap!) was when were using Pampers in the early days, or on the plane as I didn't have enough space in my hand luggage to take spare nappies.

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vbab78 · 11/02/2006 09:20

Laura - Thanks for all this help and especially the warning about kushies! I was getting swept away with how cute they look.

I want to do reusables for a few reasons, the environment, so I haven't got piles of nappies in my bin (errr), cuteness, cost, less likely to have leaks and nappy rash, but also because I have read not very nice reports about what goes into disposables, fertility problems later in life and so on and it does make you wonder what you are putting your child's skin next to.

Being that you are an expert how many nappies would you think I would need daily? I will then see if I can afford enough to wash like you every couple of days. Better for me and the environment then!

Have you or anyone you know used the onelife nappies that pomsmum recommended? I'm just weighing up between motherease and maybe the onelife nappies. The nappy lady said that motherease onesize nappies are really good but they don't always last to potty training with tall or very chubby toddlers and she didn't recommend them to me with my partner being 6ft 4. What you think?

Sorry for all these questions I hope you don't mind. It's just that you are in the know and I know nothing!

Laura032004 · 11/02/2006 12:22

Great reasons vbab78

Link to onelife website

I haven't tried onelife nappies, but having looked at their website they look very similar to MEOS to me, and seem to be better in terms of the high rise you might need for a taller toddler. I've done a quick search on UKParents (which is a good site if you're interested in cloth), and a lot of people seem to rate them quite highly, certainly more than MEOS. Personally my ds has now outgrown MEOS at 22m (also has a 6ft 4 dad!), but it isn't too much of a problem - with a good wrap, they won't leak out of that anyway.

The reason that I prefer Tots is that they have elasticated sides and waist, which is great for poo containment. However, my ds has numerous food allergies, and has constant diahorrea, so this is more important to me than most people. I would always be wary of a birth to potty system, mainly because they'll be bulky on your newborn, and then smallish on your toddler, whereas Tots have three sizes. However, these do look really good in terms of drying, and apparently stay softer than MEOS. If I was you, I'd join UKParents, and pose this question on their cloth nappy forum. You get people using every brand of nappy going on there, so you'll get some good responses from people that have tried onelife nappies.

Nappies per day - well, a lot more in the early days - you can be changing every couple of hours. It depends whether you get a prolific pooer or not. My ds is a several times a day boy, other children are once every few days. Now he's older, it's a lot less. I'd say we maybe go through 6 nappies a day, it depends on whether he has pooed or not when I change him - quite often I change him because I'm getting him ready for bed, or when he's just woken up, and then he poos 5 minutes later. Sometimes I do just change the liner then and leave the same nappy on. I'd say if you have 8 per day, that would be plenty. So you would need 24 in that case - two days worth dirty, and a days worth clean whilst the others dry. I have up to three days worth dirty, wash at the end of the third day, and then have another couple of days worth clean whilst the others dry. Have you got radiators you could dry on in the winter? If you use a radiator rack they don't go too crunchy. Will you have access to a washing line in the summer? In the early days, they will probably dry quickly on the washing line as it will hopefully be warm , and if you run out, you could always supplement with disposables for the first couple of weeks.

You also need wraps, again you need more of these in the early days - possibly 6 or so. However, I wash my wraps with clothes if they are clean (wraps benefit from fabric conditioner, whereas nappies mustn't be washed with fabric conditioner). Now he's older, three wraps is usually plenty (if I run out, he goes in a larger size until the others are dry). The onelife wraps got quite a good write up on the UKP site as well, but I'd imagine ME wraps are just as good. You can pick these up on UKP very cheaply if you have time - I've had lots for £3 or £4. Sometimes they're brand new.

I don't mind answering any questions I love cloth nappies, and could talk about them for hours!

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vbab78 · 11/02/2006 16:13

laura - Which tots do you use? I ask as there are lots of different ones on the nappy lady website.

Laura032004 · 11/02/2006 18:37

vbab78 - Having tried the lot, my favourites are the nippa unbleached normal Tots Bots (seen here on the Tots website ). Tots sometimes do seconds by the way - you can ring to ask if they have any.

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LilacBump · 11/02/2006 20:59

i have numb tingly fingers... i had carpal tunnel syndrome when pregnant with DD, but can't remember what would help with it. anyone else having this or heard/read good tips?

bubbly1973 · 11/02/2006 21:04

lilacbump i had the same with ds, if it gets really bad they give you a sling or something (eek brain no good at this time of the night)...might have been a tight bandage tht you wrap on your hands in the night...but to be honest i just put up with it, used to take me ages to get my fingers working and going first thing in the morning,

shall look out for someone who definitly knows what they are talking about as this time around i may get something for them if they get really bad

LilacBump · 11/02/2006 21:10

thanks bubbly! i've only noticed it today. it doesn't hurt or is too uncomfortable at the moment, but i remember it was pretty bad last time, especially at night. it's been 5 years, so i don't remember if anything in particular helped. so far, i've just been wriggling my fingers lots