Third trimester here we come! Better start shopping 'cos in February we're popping! Feb 2012 Baby Bus

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5th thread? I'm lost off with all the chat! Lovely to have a nosy at everyone on facebook, if you haven't been added yet, get yourself on there!

Old thread is here, as you were ladies

Well I had one at the doctors. Poor
Bloke didn't know how fast to get his pen and fit note book out

Got signed off for a week which although takes some of the anxiety off it obv isn't what I would have wanted. He just put 'pregnancy related anxiety'.

Means I have to miss my works Xmas party though and it's
Always a lavish and lovely do. I just feel like I'm letting everyone down with this. I've had an 'easy' pregnancy so don't know why my brain isn't doing what I want.

Kayano panic attacks are scary and your brain just works different when your pregnant don't beat yourself up about it and have a nice relaxing week

Kayano - what everyone says!

And Goodness me, hadn't thought about the nakedness issue. _

Poor you, Kayano - it really is mind over matter as in no matter what your body's doing, your brain definitely controls the show!

monkey - I have a front placenta too, so no lumps and bumps, and loads fewer movements. I'm still getting popping feelings low down like at 18 weeks! I do get the odd bigger whump, but I feel this baby so much less than my other two. Is that how it is for you? I've been reassured by several midwives that this is normal - it freaked me out at first.

We're definitely having our babies at a good time of the year, Zhen! My October-born dd was a nightmare with sickness - also picking up everything from her big brother.

about your group of friends being known as the Coven, coffee!

the kicks this evening have actually hurt and made me cry out! I'm not sure what it's doing in there (hopefully not getting ready to come out...). It's amazing that having placenta at front made such a difference with DD! The kicks are still pretty big at the end with front though.

I have a scan on wednesday (supposedly), and called hospital today to find out if the department would be open and scanning, lady said "yes, you're booked in for a scan, it'll be going ahead". hmmm. I must say I am expecting to turn up, find a rabble and 5 hour wait and go home again. NOt sure what to do really!

30+6...nearly finished christmas shopping today...

kayano i suffered from severe depression for a couple of years and just going out of the house or thinking about going out sent me into a panic. the way i dealt with it was to have a paper bag or the bag out of a cereal packet and keep breathing into that to stop me hyperventilating. you really cant describe it unless you have had a panic attack.

the same breathing technique you use in birth is a good one as well - deep in through the nose and out slowly through the mouth.

have had a session on amazon again tonight for christmas. not really got much out of the shops at all!

Oh and went to the German Market in Birmingham on Saturday night. Had to come away as the amount of people was upseeting my 11 year old daughter and she is a tough cookie! Couldnt get near the stalls and tbh there is more german stuff in aldi than in the actual german market!

Phlossie my kicks are quite strong.... makes me wonder what the hell they'd be like with a back placenta!!

Kayano... i got told once(by a professional) Id never had a "full panic attack". She said it was down to me being asthmatic ... im too programmed to control my breathing... so it is possible to get yourself down from the heights of panic with good (well... controlled) breathing. Hope you can git yourself some good techniques sorted. We're all behind you!!

In other news... DP apologise for bring twatty over ghetto weekend... so he IS learning!!

HAHAHA .... ghetto = the... stupid phone corrector!

I've had the anti D and had my blood taken

I feel very raw but I'm glad I did it. Took bloody ages! I've exhausted myself though

Bloody well done! Let us know the details when you are feeling up to it x

YAY KAYANO

Big fat slab of chocolate will help

Well done Kayano!!

argh... anyone else had to argue with GPs about taking prescribed drugs?
It's winter. I get really bad seasonal depression. I take the same drugs every year.
Over the last 20 years doctors have considered what to do if I were pregnant and said on balance, I should take them.
So saw new young GP last week who was very sweet and did everything by the book, but wouldn't prescribe any as the Book says No. He did say he'd phone the antenatal consultant to get expert advice and then get back.
Calls back to say can't get hold of consultant so I should try.
Point out this is the consultant I was refered to 3 months ago who wrote to say couldn't see me before my due date!
GP says 'ah' and promises to try again.

In the meantime I told him I had a stash of pills so would be taking them anyway - and did a search for the latest research. Which isn't hugely reassuring but does say on balance it may be better to take them. I hate knowing more than the doctors as it's really stressful - GP muttered about birth defects so I told him that the National Teratology Info Service database showed that yes, some babies whose mothers took this in 3rd trimester did have problems, all the mothers were ALSO taking cocaine or heroin or both. Which I'm not. GP is clearly too scared to use any judgement.

In the meantime I'm too scared to up the dose like I usually would, and unable to talk or anything. Luckily MrNC is a total star and keeps giving me food and phoning people for me. Like the GP to get another sick note. Just as well my career was fucked before this.

Seeing MW again on Thurs so had better re-write birth plan. Basically same as last time - get explicit consent for anything, you were all great last time so same again please, but after birth we want to get the hell out ASAP! I recall MrNC desperately throwing a sheet over me when I was moved from the MLU (had been naked in the pool) via the lifts to the delivery suite to get an epidural, and wondering what his problem was and throwing it back at him - of course the lifts are totally public! I still couldn't care less.

Congratulations kayano on getting your tests done!

Good for you Kayano!

I have such a sore bump today! I can't bend forwards at all, think I'm full from top to bottom.

Thanks for all the good wishes re GTT, guess I'll just see what they say at the hospital on Thursday and take it from there. In some ways its good to know, because I have been just so tired this time round, even more so than normal, I was getting a bit worried about it!

kayano whoop whoop well done today :)

Whinge alert....

Esme I may be joining you on the GD sofa. Just had my 28 week MW appointment and during the palpation thing the MW said "ooh this is a good sized baby", and then she did my fundal length measurement and it's absolutely giant. You know on your growth chart in your notes they draw a little cross where you're measuring? Well on my chart at 28+4 the cross is on the 30cm line. About 2 whole squares above where it should be. The MW has referred me for an "emergency" (well - not blue flashy light, but not booked like previously because they didn't have an appointment until mid December - they will ring me at lunchtime tomorrow to tell me when to go in tomorrow afternoon) growth scan, and they may decide to bring my GTT forward. It's on Friday so there's only a day's difference really as it's fasting, isn't it? And then they might be doing growth scans about every 2 weeks to make sure everything is ok.

I asked her "so what happens if Bert is actually the size of an elephant baby?" and she said "we'll just wait and see if you can deliver naturally and if not then we'll cut him out". Well, OK she didn't say exactly those words, but that was the essence of what she said. And now my fanjo hurts just thinking about it.

Explains the backache and the ribache and the immense bump, though, eh?! Phlossie I got some support bands from Mothercare (sorry to swear at you) and they really do make a difference, don't they? My back is much better today than it has been.

OK moan over, I promise. I'm going to go and eat a kilo of chocolate before they tell me I can't any more.

28+4

Kayano thats brilliant, hope you feel really proud of yourself

notcitrus I'm sorry you are having a bad time AND the GP doesn't seem to have empathy....I hope I don't get flamed but could you make an appointment to see an older/more experienced GP?Its not fair you have to suffer and be put on a guilt trip. Glad MrNC is being a gem

I have an ear infection, at least i think, I can't hear and have gunk oozing out, off to the GP tomorrow, hope all is ok I'm supposed to be flying to London next Saturday for my birthday.

Hermione hope it is not GD and just a big baby....I don't know if that is worse or not, I'm really clueless, I'm still waiting on my GTT results

I had a bit of a cry when I got in and DH had gone to work. I told him at dinner time I was still down. I wish I wasnt but I am still pretty weepy and sad. I feel like I'm letting everyone down even though they tell me I'm not. I think I've been on MN too long because I keep thinking 'I'm not the first person to have a friggin baby' but then I keep crying. I told DH I thought he deserved better than me

He just texted me:

Everyone is proud of you and how your coping, you'll be a great mam and are doing a great job carrying baby Sophie. If anything your 2 good for me. I really am proud of how you've coped with all the needles and changes the baby is making to you. I love you loads xx

he made me feel so much better
I do note he is still calling her Sophie though. Think he is scared that I will demand naming rights after all this!

Lol. Feeling better.
Sorry I seem to have dominated the thread of late with the self indulgent drams.

Also: fuckin hell no one told me the anti D needle was so long!

Hermione - Just to put your mind at rest, at 28 weeks in all my pg I have measured 30cm and my babies have ranged from a tiddly 5lb 8oz to an average 8lb. Fundal measurement is very hit and miss as it is dependant on how the baby is laying. Try not to get yourself worked up over it :)

Well done Kayano! I know what you mean about the brain not falling into line with how things should be. I've had PND with all 3 of mine and you have this little being that you love so much that your heart hurts but at the same time your brain is running through every worst case scenario until (in my case) you are convinced that something awful will happen.

notcitrus - I'm still on the ADs and have been told it would be more harmful to stop taking them. If you don't mind me asking, which are you thinking about taking?

kayano well done you!

notcitrus sorry about your GP, hope it gets sorted soon.

pam hope you feel better soon and are fine to fly!

I have a posterior placenta and some of little man's kicks are really quite painful now. He seems to go for my right rib every time

Also got my results back from GTT, negative which is a relief. Sorry to those with less good news :(

28+3

kayano well done!!!

All fairly quiet on the baby front here... things seem to be ticking along nicely really. I can't bend over any more (putting on socks is getting interesting), and am starting to get a little out of breath, but only when doing stupid things like climbing up an incredibly steep muddy bank at speed, or trying to keep up with my 6ft3 DP when he's on a mission walking the dogs!

We had a moment of panic last night when we realised it's not actually that long to go (DP: "whose idea was this?".. umm, YOURS!!!). Starting to seem a little more real somehow, and pretty scary!!

27+2

xavielli - lofepramine. Very oldfashioned - this GP admitted he'd never prescribed it to anyone before, as have other young GPs. To be fair to him, he did google for research but came across the bit saying it crosses the placenta and panicked. It's the lack of consultants to advise that seems to be the problem.
As luck would have it, I have a doctorate in embryology so I'm used to GPs asking me what I want them to do, but in this case I'm scared - I don't know about drug actions and while I think it probably crosses the placenta and then comes back again, I suppose it could accumulate in the baby which the GP said it could, but it's a bit of a leap without evidence.
Time to dig out that Medline password to at least reassure myself.

At least he didn't suggest sectioning when I mentioned I have six months of tablets, which previous docs have done.

In other news, my bedroom is coming on - MrNC was pulling paper off the ceiling so plasterer could start on Thurs, when the entire ceiling and 100 years of dust came down! Huge mess, but luckily plasterer and son are happy to put plasterboard up starting tomorrow and do the whole thing properly for not much more money. I think I've chosen the paint colour too.

And dc2 has at least shifted off my bladder and is just doing somersaults rather than kicking the crap out of me. A huge improvement.

Kayano didnt want to put you off more by telling you about the horrible anti d injection. Well done you you should be proud of yourself!

I agree fundus height is very hit and miss. Incidentally so are growth scans, they can be up to a lb out :o google it. Hope its not gd. Hps here having been over diagnosing gd so might be worth asking for a second opinion.

I've been a mardy mooody mum last few days and now have them at home tomorrow. Just what I need.