Charters Anonymous Graduates Volume 2! – No more temping!

[Iwish]

A nice cosy place to accommodate our growing bumps and little wrigglers.

It is a sad day, Getdown - bittersweet as well knowing you have the little one in your belly. Thinking of you.

Iwish I will be moving house on Monday, unpacking then proceeding directly to "get this baby out of me" mode.

Had a completely shit consultants appt today. Am rapidly losing faith in my care team.

Lol lady! so you will be a curry eating sex mad woman next week then
What happened at your consultant appt?

GetDown It's a weird day isn't it? Lots of the feelings are hard to explain because they aren't very logical, but very real nonetheless. Take care of yourself x

Lady sorry it was a crap appointment. What happened?

pippa that sounds uncomfortable! Cool bath?

Iwish I would share my cake very happily but hard to do so via the net!

Poor everyone. You all sound hot, fed up and uncomfortable. 9 months is a long, long time.

I've started some of the yoga exercises from my Active Birth book. The trouble is, what with yoga, perineal massage, natal hypnotherapy, having a shower, it takes me until about 11.30 to be dressed! The luxury of having time on my hands and no toddlers, I do appreciate it. I realise I may be being a little obsessive on the birth preparation, but I'm taking a "if it can't hurt and might help..." approach, then it's worth a shot.

Thanks Iwish and Lady ... it is a weird mix of emotions isn't it. Don't think I will say anything to DH, I don't think he has remembered.

Lady - moving on monday! Woo-hoo! Bet you can't wait to get your bigger place and start getting sorted out. I really hope it's a dry but pleasantly cool day for you and that you can stay in a calm, zen-like state all day, whilst everyone else does the stressing. Is there any way you can go off for the day and chill, and leave the rest to DP / the movers? Seriously, it is not worth the stress. Two of my NCT friends went into labour early because of moving house!! Sorry to hear about your rubbish consultant appt - what did they say???

Iwish had to smile at your credit card going into intensive care!! I know what you mean, I am dangerous at the moment with the spending. And really I have no excuse because we should in theory have EVERYTHING we need because we have been through it all before.... but oh no, there is always something else you really neeeed when you've got a baby coming!

Sorry cross post with spilt xxx

Getdown - I'm sorry :( It's a strange time - odd that if the first pregnancy had worked this one wouldn't have happened. But comforting a bit I think? It makes this one all the more precious (for me anyway). Hope you're able to have a quiet day.

Lol split. I'll have a virtual piece of cake. I bet it take you forever to get ready doing all that in a morning!! I feel like it's a task having a shower and straitening my hair!

Hehe getdown it's so hard to stop yourself buying. Everything I see I want to buy for him. I keep telling my dp that I need everything. Which I suppose we do since it's bubba number 1
Do you have a feeling what sex your little one is?

(I forgot the obligatory 1 hour faff on MN each morning too!)

It's a weird one pippa. I know other people find that thought comforting but I never have. Just even more confusing. And upsetting that Bobbie had to die for her sister to be born. I try not to think like that, it's a different path. We've tried to carry on and make the best of the lives we have without her, and yes, that's included extending our family, but not ever with the thought that this baby is a replacement or a consolation for losing her. The grief hasn't gone away. I miss my daughter and my heart is broken. No other baby can change that for me.

I guess that's what I meant when I said to GetDown that the due date is so weird and the feelings so hard to explain. None of it makes any bloody sense at all.

Bastard infection

I'm so sorry spilt - I didn't mean to be insensitive. I do know what you mean - I don't see this baby as a replacement at all. 'A different path' is a good way of thinking about it. What I mean by comforting is that this baby's existence at all is comforting, not that it negates the sadness. Not explaining myself very well - but I don't want you to think I was being callous, I'm really sorry if it came across like that.

Well hospital appt was pretty useless and ended up in angry floods of tears after it. (But not during, why do I meekly nod and agree and then rage about it afterwards). Basically they found Ketones in my urine so they think am not eating enough. So I have to eat more and then if blood sugars are too high when they think am eating enough then they will put me on insulin. I think I AM eating enough although could snack more and have more protein at breakfast.

So I asked about birth plan (seeing as MrG took this morning off work to attend so we could all discuss it) and she says she wants to see me again at 38+3 weeks and won't discuss it until then as depends whether am on insulin or not. Afterwards I thought this leaves me with no plan at all if i go into labour before that point.

They haven't done another growth scan, weren't even going to measure me until I asked - and then they came up with two cm smaller than 2 weeks ago FFS. I said to the MW that can't be right and she said "Oh, it's just because I had the tape measure tight, here let's measure you as 38" . What's the fucking point. Asked about growth scan, she says "Oh we don't worry about that as baby not small". So I ask about Macrosomia and how that will be monitored and THEN she writes scan at 38 weeks on my notes. I am not reassured that they have a clue what they are doing or actually give a shit or want to enter into any kind of dialogue with me about my treatment. And they are considering putting me on what seems to be be a highly interventive form of treatment for what seems to be quite a minor problem. Like they wants to crack a nut with a sledgehammer and bugger the consequences. I am so close to telling them all to fuck off and stay at home until my baby comes. Am probably stupidly hormonal but just feel really upset at the moment, like I have no control over what is happening and they won't even discuss anything with me.

Sorry this so long and me, me, me! I am just not feeling very reassured by their competence.

Ah don't be daft pippa, you didn't sound callous at all. You were explaining how you think about your babies. We all have different ways of processing these things. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was in a miff

Lady that sounds horrible I can see just what you mean - for 4 weeks more, starting insulin, getting the dose stable etc seems like it's barely going to have a chance to have any effect, and your results were only borderline weren't they? It sounds like you are just being "processed" and it's horrible to be made to feel like a patient when you aren't.

I can relate to feeling twitchy about the lack of a birth plan - I hate that I'm waiting until 36 weeks to get Mr Consultant's verdict on where in the hospital they will accept me. It's uncertainty I could do without and it makes me nervous. That must be so much worse when you are basically full term.

The fundal height stuff is bollocks isn't it. Depends on the person measuring, the trousers you're wearing, position of baby and whether or not you need a wee.

I have similarly rebellious thoughts of saying bugger it, I am having a homebirth so , just because I want it to be my decision, or at least a decision I agree with, not feel railroaded into on a dodgy premise.

((hugs))

It seems stupid, Spilt. Asgthey have already said if they put me on insulin they would induce at 38 weeks. So am 36+3 today. I don't speak to nurse again til friday. They wouldn't do anything til after weekend and have had chance to go in. So very earliest they could put me on insulin would be 37+2. So I'd be on it for 5 days . This benefits me and baby how exactly when I already have good glycaemic control?!

Yep, fundal height is absolute bollocks. Worse than bollocks because they chart it on a nice graph and pretend it is scientific.

Spilt you didn't sound miffed - I just suddenly thought what I'd said had come across really badly!

Lady sorry you're having such a tough time - you're right that going on insulin for such a short time sounds like a waste. Are you allowed to refuse?

I would have thought you can refuse whatever you like Lady, you haven't been sectioned and they need your consent to treat you.

Lady surely when you explain it like that to them, they will see that it makes no sense at all to start you on insulin. Just up your eating if you can, find some more stuff you like that doesn't send your sugars racing and have a good munching session. I had humous, pitta bread, olives, carrot sticks and a smoked makerel fillet for lunch and it was yummy! Sure it will all work out for you, I feel for you though, I am the same as you - in appointments I just nod meekly and then afterwards I can feel so angry I want to cry

My CPN (psychiatric nurse) came to see me this week (haven't seen her in months) but basically I am on their "radar" now, because it was PND last time that got me admitted to hospital. She didn't seem that impressed by the idea of hypnobirthing, and also recommended I request an episiotomy and Errr, well the reason I tore last time was because the stupid inexperienced midwife made me push too hard and didn't think to deliver the head slowly So NO I do NOT want a bloody episiotomy

I really wish I wasn't under mental health services sometimes, they just make me feel ill again, even though I have been well for so long now

Oh. I appear to have killed the thread

Off on holiday tomorrow, so won't be around much. Have a good week everyone! x

Getdown, you couldn't! I have a random question for you all. Are you still taking your pregnacare/equivalent? I am but I don't know whether I really need to be now...it's so expensive!

Hi all!

Awww getdown you didn't.
Where are you on holiday? Bet you can't wait!

pippa I'm still taking it. Figured I'm going to take it all the way through to make sure little man gets all the vitamins he needs. My diet can be pretty crappy some days.

And now for a moan- I went to the doctors today about the pain I've been having (thought it was SPD) and all he said was yes that sounds like SPD and printed me off something about how to do pelvic floor exercises. Will that help?? I wanted a bit more help than that!!

On a good note I'm off work next week! Try!!

Iwish you would probably get more help from your midwife. GP's not great at pregnancy related stuff. If you can afford it, see a chiropractor.

Getdown your CPN sounds like an idiot am sorry to say. Really unhelpful point of view and think she clearly has a very biased point of view. Have you thought about a doula? I think that might really help you.

So our whole house is packed up now pretty much. We have to live in the box maze now until Monday and then finally we will be in our new home .

Yey for the packing being done lady! don't envy you living out of boxes but it's not for long. You can then get on with the task of getting baby to come hehe.
Yeh the GP is a total no-help! In fact he actually said something along the lines of 'some people dont believe it exists'!! Can't really afford a chiro which is why I thought I'd go down the GP route. I'll mention it to my midwife on my next visit which is just over a week. I'll try the pelvic floors and see if they do anything.

havent caught up, but will do later... just wanted to say hope the move goes well tomorrow Lady and that i hope its not too hot for you... get those feetup if you can x

Lady just want to wish you good luck for the move today. Hope it all goes smoothly

Good luck with the move lady

Helloooo to everyone else. We have come to sunny north Wales for the day :)