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DH committed suicide on Saturday, rang Samaritans, not helped.

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RubbishMantra · 04/08/2015 03:16

Anyone there? I 'm a bit done in. We'd been married less than 2 years. I got him a dollar bill folded into an origami carp for our 1st anniversary. He hanged himself. We didn't have DCs, but we have 2 beautiful cats. Sister flying in tomorrow. I don't know how he could leave me and our 2 little lads (cats)

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RubbishMantra · 19/08/2015 00:08

I just imagine him carefully preparing the noose in his parents' cellar. Poor little fucker. They didn't find him until over a day later. He went to stay because he wanted to go out and get pissed. Booze stops his meds from working. We live in the middle of town, so I thought it would be a nice respite for him to stay at his familial home for a night. He was hanging in their cellar for over 24 hours before he was found.

He was so beautiful, my best friend told me she was in love with him, she knew him before I did. He had this amazing mind. If any of you'd met him, you'd have fallen in love with him a bit. Even my straight male mates did. Bromance.

He was the Bestest thing ever.

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coffeeisnectar · 19/08/2015 00:13

That's so sad :(

What have you been doing today? Have you eaten? Spoken to anyone? I hope the cats are keeping you company. I bet they miss him too. And they will know you are sad, very clever animals, cats. They just know who needs love.

RubbishMantra · 19/08/2015 00:27

Not eaten anything yet coffee, but planning a tuna and sweetcorn baguette. Had lots of stuff to do regarding the funeral though. Had some milk for breakfast. Peculiar, this loss of appetite. Normally love a good old munch.

I;m sorry "Dinosaur*. Crappiest thing ever isn't it.

Blessings x

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iwashappy · 19/08/2015 01:00

Mantra those thoughts must be very difficult to deal with and very distressing. I am sure he was a lovely man and we would have all liked him.

I've only experienced bereavement rather than suicide and I appreciate it's a totally different set of feelings in a lot of ways. But I hope you find, as I did, that in time you will find yourself looking back more at the positive memories rather than the distressing ones.

Take care Flowers

coffeeisnectar · 19/08/2015 01:12

Good luck with the baguette. As long as you are having something, even milk, you'll be ok.

RubbishMantra · 19/08/2015 01:42

My parents aren't attending DH's funeral, it's a long drive for them. But I got an email from them regarding the flowers they were going to send him. They told me to order the flowers they were going to send him, but they would send a card. Is that taking the piss?

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cakedup · 19/08/2015 02:00

It is a bit. Tbh, if I were you, I would not be up for doing favours or chores for anyone right now. Why can't they order their own flowers??

I tried to commit suicide about 20 years ago. What a dreadful mistake that would have been. But at the time, I truly 100% believed it was the right thing to do, that people would be better off without me, I was even convinced that friends/family didn't really love me, they just put up with me. None of it was true, but it was so true to me at the time.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 02:53

It was nothing to do with you, Mantra - and not even really anything to do with him. It was about his illness. That was what acted - not the him you know.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 19/08/2015 03:10

Oh Mantra. (((hugs)))
What the others are saying - it really wasn't you, it was him. He didn't want to drag you down any more, he didn't want you to have to put up with him being ill, he didn't want you to deal with his pain. HE didn't want to deal with his pain any more. At no point did he blame you for any of it, and nor should you - because this was his illness at work. His illness subsumed his true self, and his illness finally won. :(

The only people who could in any way be to blame for this are the fuckwits who changed his meds.

Shame he decided to go out and get drunk, thus further inhibiting his meds - but again, that was down to him (and possibly the illness asserting itself)

Also a shame that his parents weren't home, by the sound of it. But again, you are blameless in that too.

Your parents - well at least it means that you'll be able to choose nice flowers instead of worrying that they'll send something totally tasteless. But yes, they're taking the piss.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 03:48

Yes indeed, ThumbWitches - the illness took over. He's stll with you, Mantra. Fine and beautiful as always.

Feel free to rail at the excrescence that was his malady, though.

shovetheholly · 19/08/2015 07:51

Mantra - I hesitate about posting this, I hope it is helpful. I write it in response to the idea that you are in any way to blame for what happened, which of course is not true.

A friend of mine who had serious MH problems once described to me what feeling suicidal is like with this amazing metaphor. He said that it's like your emotions are a vase for collecting and carrying rainwater. Normally, it rains for a bit, but the rain runs into the vase. We might occasionally have a moment where the weather gets rough and we slop over a bit, but we basically feel the vase is solid and will carry the weight of the water.

He said that when MH problems start, it's like we are in a monsoon. And we start to have fears that the vase is cracked, that it can't cope with the deluge of water that is coming. So we try to struggle on and ignore it, but soon we start to see leaks start streaming out of the pot from all directions. There's no capacity to deal with or to hold the water that keeps on a-coming, relentlessly, out of the sky. Hairline cracks widen under the strain into fissures, and there is water, water all around - the vase itself stops being in any way a container and starts floating on an uncontrollable tide. All of the voices that tell us that we should speak to someone else, and ask them to take a bit of the water for us, to anchor us down are muted - we don't want to be a burden to them, we don't feel it's fair to ask someone who is also trying to cope in their own weather for assistance. In the end, the stress and strains of it all are so great, and the effort feels so futile, that we come to a point where we genuinely believe that the only way out is to take a hammer and smash the vase to smithereens. Only then will it stop raining.

Sadly, my friend ended up taking his own life one day after years of battling with these feelings. He was a lovely, sensitive soul who was creative to the core of his being - he wrote amazing poetry and ran his own poetry magazine. And yet he couldn't himself see how much he enriched the world of everyone around him. I hadn't heard from him for some time before he did it, and then all of a sudden he popped up on Facebook, messaging me. He didn't say anything was wrong - he sounded cheerful. But he must have been looking for someone to talk to, and I clearly didn't respond to him well enough for him to trust me. I just thought it was lovely he had gotten in touch and did my usual airheaded thing of chatting away nineteen to the dozen. I wish he had talked to me. I wish I had put two and two together and wondered why he'd suddenly contacted me. And then he was dead a couple of days later. Sad

coffeeisnectar · 19/08/2015 10:58

Shove, I think that sums it up perfectly. It is so hard to explain but that really is a wonderful way of describing how it feels. I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. I hope he's finally at peace and I hope you are coming to terms with his loss.

I think mumsnet need to do something, run a campaign, help make this subject less taboo. Less of "selfish sod" and more "recognising and understanding and supporting".

RubbishMantra · 19/08/2015 15:45

Holly, your dear friend probably seemed cheerful because he'd planned in his head what he was going to do. Looking back, DH said some things to me that have made realise he was planning it. For instance, the night before he went to stay with his parents, he fell asleep on the daybed in the study. He was still asleep when I came out of the shower. He hadn't been sleeping well, so I didn't want to wake him, just made sure he was comfy. Next morning he was distraught that he'd not slept in the same bed as me. "we've got years of nights ahead of us" I said. But he kept berating himself.

I can't help thinking if I'd just let him go out and get pissed like he wanted, instead of persuading him to go to his parents, then he might have had a change of heart, still be here. He was so suggestible in his last week, almost like he couldn't discern between the voices in his head and real life voices.

I spoke to his MH worker yesterday, and told her they'd let him down. She saw him several times during his psychotic episode, and was in the meeting when the psych stopped his meds. Then she said she was coming to the funeral! I told her I'd rather she didn't, and the bitch said she couldn't continue the conversation and put the phone down! I was completely calm and measured when I spoke to her.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 19/08/2015 15:52

What on earth makes her think she would be welcome at your husbands funeral?.

You'd have to no social skills at all to think that's appropriate.

StaceyAndTracey · 19/08/2015 16:17

I think it's usual practice for Mh workers to attend funerals. But of course if you do not want her there you should send am email saying so . You don't have to give a reason, just say you are writing further to your telephone conversation to say that you do not wish her to attend the funeral . They Can't ignore your written request .

Re your parents asking you to arrange for flowers for them - personally I would let them send you the money and give it to your husbands favourite charity . Or a cat rescue place . It would do more good caring for some animals that making them look good when they can't be arsed to either attend in person or at least arrange the flowers themselves .

After all, the flowers are supposed to be a comfort to the bereaved - they are bugger all use to the deceased . How will they comfort you if its just another reminder of how selfish they are ?

This would be an especially good plan if they don't like cats .

DIL also seemed very happy the day before she died . She even had lunch with a good friend a few hours before she took her life, and apparently she was happily discussing the future. So I can only conclude its about feeling relieved that the plan is in place . It doesn't really fit with the " they were so out of their mid they didn't know what they were doing " theory .

I think she DID know perfectly well what she was doing , the crazy bit is that she thought it was a good idea .

cozietoesie · 20/08/2015 00:01

Thinking of you, Mantra.

RubbishMantra · 20/08/2015 00:08

I know Fluffy. What an insensitive bastard. She tried to say he'd requested to come off that particular med. He came home quite surprised they'd taken him off it. He had no reason to lie, and besides, he's the most truthful person I've ever met. It was like he had an allergy to lying, even white lies.

Parents have managed to order their own flowers for DH after a lot of complaining and "Poor us, we're suffering, he was like a son to us". They met him once. I'm still in shock at their behaviour. They're being proper cocks. I was almost NC with them before DH died, but reached out to them, well, because you want your parents when hideous stuff happens. Just feel like a zombie.

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RubbishMantra · 20/08/2015 00:15

I know Fluffy. What an insensitive bastard. She tried to say he'd requested to come off that particular med. He came home quite surprised they'd taken him off it. He had no reason to lie, and besides, he's the most truthful person I've ever met. It was like he had an allergy to lying, even white lies.

Parents have managed to order their own flowers for DH after a lot of complaining and "Poor us, we're suffering, he was like a son to us". They met him once. I'm still in shock at their behaviour. They're being proper cocks. I was almost NC with them before DH died, but reached out to them, well, because you want your parents when hideous stuff happens. Just feel like a zombie.

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CaptainSwan · 20/08/2015 00:31

Often, the most tortured souls are the most beautiful, he sounds like a wonderful man Mantra

Sending all the love in the world your way, there's nothing you could have done, it was his choice and his alone. There's no logic to it because he was so ill. It's not your fault.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 20/08/2015 00:34

Mantra - I can't believe the insensitivity of the woman either, what a cock! I really hope she doesn't go against your wishes and turn up, that would be unbelievably inappropriate. Angry

stacey - I think that people wanting to commit suicide go into a state of calm acceptance when they've got their plan together - and that makes them happy and, well, accepting of everything prior to it, knowing that soon all their worries will be over. But yes - them thinking that is the only answer is definitely coming from their illness, not from a particularly sane place. :(

Smilingforth · 20/08/2015 08:15

So very hard. My thoughts are with youFlowers

TitaniumOvaries · 20/08/2015 08:29

Mantra I am so sorry that you have lost your husband to this bastard condition.

it's awful that your parents and your DH's MH worker are putting their needs and upset onto you. You shouldn't be required to deal with anyone else's needs just now, but it is particularly hard to deal with this those who should be supporting you.

RubbishMantra · 20/08/2015 12:22

The saddest thing is Thumb, his family were home. Only found him after I'd put in a missing person's report, when they went into the cellar to get something.

My parents managed to send flowers, after several phone calls of me patiently trying to explain how to send flowers. The female parental actually put the phone down on me, and when I rang back the male parental said "You've upset your mother", and she wouldn't speak to me! I was completely calm and patient with her, so fuck knows what I did. I've posted on other threads about them, she's a narcissist. She even somehow charged the flowers to my sister's Interflora account, who didn't mind, because they only came to 30 quid anyway, the cheapest bunch you can get delivered. Even though DH "was like a son to them!"

Sorry if I seem bitter today.

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acatcalledjohn · 20/08/2015 13:31

Don't be sorry. Fucking hell, if your mother manages to make a situation like this one all about her then it's no wonder you are bitter. Let it all out, that's better than sitting on it and letting it fester.

How are you doing and eating? And how are MCat and Little Monsieur doing?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 20/08/2015 14:05

Go for your life on the bitterness, you have every reason to do so and if you can't do it here, where can you?

That makes it all somehow much worse, Mantra - so much worse :(

Is there somewhere or someone who your mother hates? I'd put the flowers there, or send them on. Or take them to the local hospice, or dementia ward or similar. In honour of her.