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Love, like starlight, never dies - In loving memory of all our darling children gone too soon!

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Bluetinkerbell · 14/06/2012 15:51

I am the gentle breeze upon your face
The twinkle in the stars
I am the sudden ray of sunshine
That warms your broken heart.

Thank you Whatevertheweather for starting the previous thread! :)

Let this place be a place of support for all of us on this path together, with lots of smiles, lots of tears, lots of hugs and lots of understanding x
A place where 'new' and 'old' bereaved Mums and parents can share their grieve, experiences and memories of their darling children.

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MiaAlexandrasmummy · 10/07/2012 20:32

I think the thread stopped for a bit as we all had to deal with the emotions of supporting expat and little Aillidh, and the memories and feelings that her story evoked in us... well, that was my experience.

tami wow, it is incredibly special that you are willing to share such a intimate moment. Admittedly, not quite in a place at the moment where I can watch this, but I will. Thank you.

Baby friends - well, I think I have been lucky. We deliberately chose to ring up our baby friends to say that we wanted to stay in touch. And nearly all of them have, and they have been truly amazing. I have even babysat a couple of times. I like to see Mia's friends growing up, as it makes me feel closer to her. That's not to say it doesn't hurt sometimes - it does, and I come home and cry my eyes out. I also haven't yet faced them being all together in a group, without Mia there - that is simply too hard. Mia's death really shook them all, so I know that they appreciate every single moment with their own children. I met up with one today at the coffee shop where we would meet as we waited for our babies to arrive, and then afterwards, as we introduced our children to each other. Wonderful memories of gloriously happy days - a life which seems forever ago...

mrskwazii Mia's inquest was due to happen in February, but we weren't satisfied with the tardy and incomplete hospital reports, nor with the expert witness report, so we asked for an adjournment. We had to take October, otherwise it would go into the new year, and that is simply too long. However, our coroner has a reputation for being incredibly thorough, so we are hoping that Mia will receive truth and justice.

MrsKwazii · 10/07/2012 20:57

Mia's you sound very strong standing up for your daughter like that and making sure that the inquest is carried out properly. Bloody good for you. She deserves nothing less. None of our children do.

twinklesunshine · 10/07/2012 20:58

Tami I think its lovely that you have made a video, I cannot even bare to look at photos or videos it sends me hysterical. I know what you mean about facebook too, I closed my account the day after he died, didn't want nosy people that I never see messaging me asking what had happened because it was so sudden. Also can't imagine being able to look on there happily at other peoples photos and happy status updates etc, I know everyone elses lives go on, but I don't want to be able to see it!

Mias its good to hear that you were able to adjourn the inquest as you were not satisfied. We haven't even received a report of the cause of death yet and they haven't mentioned an inquest date, but if I am not happy I will do the same, it didn't occur to me that you could so thank you for that. I think you are amazing seeing all Mias friends, maybe I can get to that point someday. They are going to surround me for years to come what with school etc so I am going to have to get used to it even if I dont want to.

xxxxx

MiaAlexandrasmummy · 10/07/2012 21:01

mrskwazii it's my DH and my dad (a retired GP), not me. I find it all incredibly stressful - it's definitely this part of my life that I block... Initially, they felt that somehow the truth would bring Mia back. Now, this fight for the truth is a way to channel anger and frustration, I think.

MrsKwazii · 10/07/2012 21:09

Oh Mia's sorry that you're finding it so stressful. It's all so bloody hard Sad.

shabbapinkfrog · 11/07/2012 09:13

Grin DS4 Tom is on a work experience week. Because there are not enough companies in our area who will take the kids on (no work to be honest) about 20 of them have gone on a week long course to learn first aid and 'survival.' He comes home every night filthy dirty and tired out!! BUT the place they are doing it is about a 20 minute bus ride away. Tom is quite shy (until you get to know him) and, thanks to me, he is not great at being away from his comfort zone.

He has been travelling there by bus and finding his way about. My heart is racing and I feel sick every time he goes through the front door. He just texted to say they are climbing trees, making a shelter in the woods and learning how to make a camp fire.......Hmm

lavandes · 11/07/2012 11:22

Morning ladies xx

I think that is sad shabs that there are not enough work experience places in your area. It doesn't cost the companies anything. We live in a small town and in the leisire centre I work in we have 3 or 4 every week during work experience time. Some of them go on to do their lifeguard qualification and come back to work for us. But you must not be too scared. Try to think of the life skills he is learning. xxx

shabbapinkfrog · 11/07/2012 13:45

All our large companies have closed Lavandes - we just have the big supermarkets. Tom always says he is going to college and then to Uni.....where he hopes to get his 'passport out of here!!Grin'

He is learning so much though this week. He is academically very clever but not socially. Have not heard from him at all today, since this morning, they must be keeping them busy!!!

I am doing my best not to fret and worry!!

chipmonkey · 11/07/2012 14:13

Shabs, he will be fine! And if he wasn't someone would call you . No news is good news . Have a Brew

MrsKwazii · 11/07/2012 16:17

Shabs, sounds like a really good week. Hope they have some marshmallows to toast on their campfire and digestive biscuits to sandwich them between . He will be fine Wink

VeronicaSpeedwell · 11/07/2012 18:03

shabba, I know that if I am ever blessed with more DC I will worry constantly about them when they are out of my sight. One of the things I always looked forward to about having my son was the idea that he would get up to things at school, or with his grandparents, that I would never quite know about. I thought about the magic of the fact that he would be a real little person, entire, with many many facets which nobody could see all at once. At the same time, I knew that one of the piquant difficulties of motherhood would be letting go of his hand to let those things happen. Little did I know how soon I would have to let go of that tiny hand. I hope Tom is having a wonderful time, and that he is indeed squashing marshmallows between biscuits as MrsKwazii suggests. You are doing a fantastic job every minute of the time you spend gritting your teeth and letting him be there.

matilda, I am sorry the consultants' appointment was an anti-climax, though I suppose I must confront the fact that this will always be true of anything other than a miraculous deal with the universe which will restore our children to our arms. Our appointment is on Tuesday, and I am really sick with nerves. I have been really struggling with all the 'what if' questions, wondering if anything might have saved our lovely boy. I am really scared that the results will concretise those, even though I know that it is a poisonous way of thinking in many ways, and I am most at peace when I remember all the joy and wonder we got from our son. I think my last few words hit the crux of the matter, though -- what we could get from him was never what having a child was all about for us. We wanted to give him all the love in the world, show him the sky, the sea, spiders and slugs, and to be there as he encountered all the rich details which are part of being alive. It breaks my heart that he couldn't have that, not even the chance to see those things once, and I am still here in a sunny room, with the wind in the trees outside my window.

Mia's, the drawn out and formal nature of an inquest feels like a terrifying thing to face, and so at odds somehow with the joyous life of your little girl, feeling her way through new adventures and discoveries in whatever form they might appear each day. I can't think of anything remotely wise or helpful to volunteer, and will say only that I am thinking of you with great sympathy.

chip, I want you to know that I have seen a lot of wild roses over the last couple of weeks, and always thought of your Sylvie-Rose.

Mecha, I am dreading the first time I have to answer the 'do you have children' question, and I think it's totally understandable that you responded the way you did. As others have explained perfecty, it is part of your protective love for him. Various of my more distant friends never knew I was pregnant, as my personal feeling was always that, for me, it was a quite private thing, and there were no certainties about what would happen. I was nonetheless looking forward to making an excited birth announcement when he was safely in our arms. That poses me a few difficulties now, as I feel they need to know about our terrible loss, but I find it hard to imagine that they will feel the full extent of it if they didn't know about him before. Did I do the wrong thing in not spreading the news far and wide that we were expecting him? I don't think so. It was my way of keeping him safe and loved in the dark and intimate time before birth. Hindsight doesn't change that. What I am struggling to say is that whatever we do for or about our children is always done out of love for them -- instinctively so. You love Dexter so much, that is beyond question, therefore I really think it is impossible for you to react in any way other than a way motivated by love, even if you can't immediately see quite how that works in each individual instance. Be kind to yourself and don't doubt the fierce and mysterious ways you can keep mothering him.

On the subject of the blankets, I knitted a couple of squares for Matilda's in the days between our son's cremation and interment of ashes. I had knitted for him all through my pregnancy. We never bought much stuff, but the knitting was part of a quiet, almost meditative way of making something which said 'we are waiting for you, we are carefully preparing the way'. When I look at those things now, they are material proof of how much I loved and wanted him, even when we didn't quite know who he was. After he was born, of course I couldn't knit for him any more. He didn't need clothes, would never need the 6 month sized striped jumper I had imagined starting, thinking he might wear it at Christmas. Knitting for the blanket felt like a selfish thing in some ways -- an opportunistic way to keep knitting, which was masquerading as a 'good deed'. My DH said that I was doing a good thing, and I rebutted him, saying I was really doing it for myself, so it wasn't. He pointed out the care with which I was doing it: checking the chart, learning a new design, unravelling it when I found imperfections. He said that, even if I couldn't feel the love, it was there in every stitch. I couldn't have done it if I didn't feel deeply, even if I was numb to the feelings somehow. I now believe this to be absolutely true. When I think about those blankets, I know each stitch and square has been crafted by other people from a unique position no more or less important than the story I have just told about my knitting. They are full of love, all streaming from a great constellation of donors and crafters towards the recipient in their own particular place of sadness. Matilda's is the first I've helped with, but I would hope that they provide tangible evidence of love at times when it is hard to see why life is worth living. Just knitting two squares gave me some sense of that.

I suppose there is an emerging theme to my post, or rather a realisation I have come to through writing it. Grief can numb us to our own feelings of love, protectiveness and kindness, but they are all still there working away, showing themselves in surprising moments. Love to all of you, to those on this thread I couldn't mention but are also in my thoughts, to Expat and Ailidh, and to parents everywhere who are suffering like us, wherever they are on the road.

shabbapinkfrog · 11/07/2012 19:02

Thanks everybody. He staggered in....totally filthy, covered in mud Grin Was so tired he couldn't talk. 'Kind of' got cleaned up and changed. Had two massive bowls of 'corned beef hash' (his favourite) then has been asleep for the last hour on the settee Grin He missed the bus home but waited for the next one (30 minutes wait) but I was really proud that he didn't text or ring asking what he should do. He's a smashing kid. xxx

matildawormwood · 11/07/2012 19:51

Veronica what a wonderful post - I am in tears reading it, you express yourself so beautifully. And I'm so touched that you knitted some squares for my blanket. I shall treasure it even more for knowing that. I intend to teach myself to knit this summer so that I can do the same for someone else.

I often feel selfish and guilty when I find myself feeling like I am the one who has been robbed when really it is our darling children who have been cheated. But that thought is too painful to contemplate so I tend to steer away from it - it's easier to feel sorry for myself.

I hope my sense of indignation at the unfairness of it all will spur me on to try to live my life well. At least I am getting the chance to have a life, even if I'm being forced to walk a difficult path. I owe it to my darling boy not to wish it away or become bitter.

I am so very sorry you didn't get to share all of those moments with your beautiful boy. You sound like a wonderful mum. xx

matildawormwood · 11/07/2012 19:52

Glad your boy is home safe Shabba

MrsKwazii · 11/07/2012 19:57

Veronica that is such a lovely way to describe the woolly hug blankets and your DH sounds like a very perceptive man.

Shabs glad Tom is back filthy but happy. Hope he isn't snoring while you try to MN Wink

Chip I know you've mentioned before that you ask Sylvie-Rose for signs that she's OK. I've been doing similar, and we've had quite a few white feathers that literally demand attention - much like my girl did Grin. Well, like you, we've had a rose appear in the garden. We didn't plant it and I've never noticed it in the years that we've lived here. In fact, a few months ago we completely dug over and pretty much cleared the bed that it's grown in. It is beautiful, smells divine and makes me very, very happy.

Firsttobed · 11/07/2012 22:47

Aha, miasmummy's words of widsom! True and thanks mias because you have made me think about friendships and which I want to keep.

twinkle and matilda I feel similar about the lifestyle loss, I find myself saddened that it matters to me. I was one of a group of mums due this summer, some have now had their babies (hard for me to see them) and some are still pregnant but very obviously so. I feel that I should be there with them somehow and I'm not.

shabba glad Tom had a good day, it sounds fantastic, would love to do something like that!

veronica what a lovely post. I think it's wonderful that you can do something like that when you're grieving too. I know that you say it's for you too, but every piece of love that you put into one of those squares goes out to a person in need of it. I haven't knitted since I was a child, not sure if I even remember how to do it.

Goodnight all, sending a hope for some wild roses for me too, so glad that they've come for you mrsKwazii xx

shabbapinkfrog · 12/07/2012 08:36

Morning girls x

chipmonkey · 12/07/2012 12:58

Well, it seems that Sylvie-Rose is making roses bloom everywhere!Smile
And I do think that the signs are there, Mrs K. I love that you're finding the white feathers too.
Sylvie-Rose's grave is so untidy at the momentSad I need to go up and strim the edges but our strimmer charger is missing. And I haven't found the time to go up with the shears and do it by hand. And I emailed a chap about her headstone but have had no reply.

Tamisara · 12/07/2012 14:05

Shabbs thank you, your words made me sob. I'm glad that Tom arrived home safely xx Thanks to everyone else too xx

I'm sorry to have been so useless/absent on here lately. I keep hoping that if I just try to 'forget' that it will all go away. I feel a bit detached to it all at times. I don't always cry, or even get upset. I try to keep it bottled, I know I'd just collapse in tears if I let go. Weird how you can become weird after this time.

Chip (((hugs))) I'm sorry you've not heard about the headstone xx I admit we've not even thought about one yet. I have a strange relationship with the cemetery now. I want to go, but I don't feel as though Tamsin's 'there' iykwim? If I do accept she is there, then I think about what she'll be like now, and I can't give headspace to those thoughts.

Mechavivzilla · 12/07/2012 18:38

Veronica thank you. What beautiful and kind words.

I have been out of touch here a bit. I seem to find the time between when Dexter was born and when he died really difficult. I know from reading others posts here that that is fairly common. But wow it is hard. Two months today since we said goodbye. He doesn't have a headstone yet, and when I visited him today his name plaque had been knocked over. I was so upset. Little things seem so important now.

The blankets are lovely looking, I have seen them on facebook. Would it make me a bad person to admit I have been coveting one? :)

So many of us seem to be having an especially rough time at the moment. I haven't namechecked, I am always scared I will miss someone by mistake! But I am thinking about us all xx

chipmonkey · 12/07/2012 19:35

Tami, I think we do what we need to to get through the day. And I have found that increasingly I leave the cemetery in tears, possibly more than I did before.
Today a client asked me how many children I had now, six or seven? In a jokey way but I had to tell him about Sylvie-Rose then, and almost cried. I'd say he was sorry he asked!
Have to go, still in work!

lavandes · 13/07/2012 08:35

Morning ladies xx

shabbapinkfrog · 13/07/2012 08:53

Morning Lavandes xx

Firsttobed · 13/07/2012 11:22

Good morning all Smile.

tami,mech and chip I'm sorry it's been difficult for you recently.

We don't have a grave, B was cremated and he sits in our bedroom so I can give him a kiss in the morning and at bedtime. I like having him close although it's always been our intention to scatter him under his rose in a pot in his special corner of the garden. Not yet ready to do this but I'd like to one day. I don't want him to be somewhere permanently in case we move. I'd want to take him with us and we're not necessarily settled yet.

Tamisara · 13/07/2012 12:58

Mecha I'm so sorry that Dexter's name plaque had been knocked down :( We were told we had to wait at least 6 months before getting a headstone (to let the ground settle), and still haven't got around to it yet. I kind of dread it, it will seem so final, and in a way I think avoiding it, still having it do in the future, keeps me hanging on to Tamsin. I know that makes no sense at all. I guess (as chip says) we do what we have to do. Even though it may be very different to what another person feels is right xx

First Thanks. I often wonder if it would be better to have had Tamsin cremated. I think I didn't because I have a stupid fear of fires. I also had an irrational (and quite mad) thought that in future they may be able to bring back people. Stupid I know, and even if it was possible, then it would be feasible to do it with the cremated too. My paternal grandparents were cremated (my nan hated the idea of being eaten by worms), and I hated watching their coffins disappear :(

I think it's lovely to have B with you, so you can kiss him, truly lovely. I totally get why you don't want to scatter his ashes. Of course you need to know you will stay somewhere permanently, that's totally understandable xx