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Okay, am prepared for abuse and suggestions of being a terrible mother, but is it SO bad that 5 year old has dummy?

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missmoopy · 20/04/2010 21:32

My dd (5) STILL has her dummy and shows no signs of wanting to give it up.

She is bright and happy and I am really not that bothered about her having it. She only has it at bedtime as she feels it helps her relax.

Occasionally I have visions of her at 18 packing her dummy to go to Uni, but generally I am fine with it.

What do you think? And, if you think it is awful,how do I encourage her to give it up??

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cityangel · 21/04/2010 00:58

Some have commented that its no different to thumb sucking. Even if this is the case I would like to point out that thumb sucking whilst natural and cute looking can also cause expensive damage to growing adult teeth. I pushed my front top ones out with my thumb and had to wear an uncomfortable corrective night brace.

differentnameforthis · 21/04/2010 01:26

"Some have commented that its no different to thumb sucking"

Well that's true, because they both have the potential to cause damage.

At least dummies can be taken away & damage limited (as long as thumb sucking doesn't start)

There is actually an appliance that can be made to prevent thumb sucking, usually worn around 9ish if it looks like it is causing damage & the child won't stop.

This appliance wouldn't be necessary if thumb sucking didn't cause problems.

piprabbit · 21/04/2010 01:45

I sucked my thumb as a child, in fact I would occassionally suck at night into my 20s when in a really stressful situation (like leaving home to start uni).

My teeth are wonky, and I'm sure that stopping sucking earlier might have reduced the wonkiness but it hasn't actually affected my life at all. I got my degree, a well-paid and successful career, my DH, my DCs etc. The teeth (wonky or otherwise) had no impact on my life as an adult.

Discourage your child from sucking their dummy, at 5yo they will be able to understand when you talk about wonky teeth and talking funny. However, please try and keep some perspective on this issue.

differentnameforthis · 21/04/2010 02:41

piprabbit, indeed wonky teeth don't stop you getting a degree, having a career, nor getting married & having children.

But worse case scenario they can affect speech, they can affect eating & they can cause TMJ issues.

Yes, people get away with sucking dummies & thumbs & others don't. My point is, that you cannot know the damage caused until the adult teeth come in & by the time the damage is done, simply stopping the habit is very unlikely to reverse it. You are then looking at extensive orthodontic work to correct it.

springaporesling · 21/04/2010 04:36

Differentname nice to have a professional opinion.

I agree why risk the possibility of dental problems for what will hopefully be only a few nights worth of distress. The book is a good idea to help explain there is one 'Pacifiers are not Forever' by Elizabeth Verdick - I've used the one by the same author 'Teeth are not for Biting' with DS (and am about to purchase the one 'Tails are not for Pulling' to try to stop the cats from moving out) so might be worth a try ?

differentnameforthis · 21/04/2010 07:46

No problem!

When dd gave hers up we had 3 nights of her being upset & then she never looked back!

TiggyR · 21/04/2010 08:09

Haven't had time to read whole thread but here's my twopenneth:

Dummies can give children enormous comfort and security and I think they get a terribe press from a bunch of smug snobs who think they are 'common'. I am the first person to leap on anything for being common or downmarket, so I'm quite happy to say this!

I gave all my babies a dummy. First one because he was very difficult to BF, a poor sleeper, very colicky and stressed, and it helped him (and me) hugely. I think I may have hurled him out of the nearest window otherwise. He gave it up entirely of his own volition aged 11 months.

2nd baby was given a dummy as a newborn, spat it out, never wanted it, never needed it. Fine.

3rd baby given dummy, it became his best friend for almost 5 years and we had to have negotiations on the scale of the UN for him to give it up when he started school. I had a bit of a 'tired post-nursery TV watching/bedtime only' rule from about 3.5yrs onwards but he would still try to sneak it out of the house and 'wear' it proudly in public if he could! He became almost obsessively attached to it from 2 to 4. All our photos of him seem to be of a huge dummy with a small child attached at the rear! Yes, it was annoying, and a bit embarrassing, but like most childish habits, it stopped without too much trauma, when the time was right. I know it probably made me look like a Poundland Scummy Mummy but I knew I wasn't, and at least he wasn't picking his nose and eating it, or playing with his willy all the time, or pulling his hair out!

I watched Spoilt Rotten the other day and was struck by how many pre-schoolers are losing all their teeth to severe decay and one of the main causes was going to bed with a bottle of juice (or even milk) for comfort. A dummy would have stopped this.

Also know loads of middle class mums who have not allowed their children to have dummies. They had much more stressed babies than I did, somehow thumb-sucking seemed much more socially acceptable .Some of them still suck their thumbs in their teens, as it's a much harder habit to break (vile IMHO) and have orthodontic problems as a result.

Also I do not particularly buy the argument that dummy sucking delays speech. Poor, indifferent parenting or underlying SEN/hearing/health issues delayed speech, not dummies. Out of my three, the only one who was a bit slow to speak and struggled with clarity of speech was the one who never had a dummy! The other two, could talk for England from an extremely early age and were highly articulate into the bargain.

Don't worry about it!

TiggyR · 21/04/2010 08:16

OK, just catching up on the thread now and I see dentists are advising against dummies. All I can say is that my son who didn't have a dummy has teeth all over the place and needs train track braces top and bottom for about two years each. Child who had dummy until 4.5 - 5 years has the straightest loveliest teeth you ever saw! My friend's son who still sucks his thumb aged 10 has teeth like Alan Carr - very splayed and goofy. An element of luck/genetics in there methinks, but I'd still go for dummy over thumb any day.

Rindercella · 21/04/2010 08:31

Differentname "Also, feeding isn't done for 8 hours overnight" Have you met my nearly 4 week old DD2?

Actually, Differentname, although I do not have the professional experience you have, I do totally agree with what you have said on this thread. I hope the OP chooses to take on board your advice.

Regarding the extended breast feeding comparisons, I would stick my neck out and say that a lot of people would be cool with a 3 year old breast feeding, but probably less so with a 5 year old (fwiw, I bf DD1 until she was 2).

WickedWitchSouthWest · 21/04/2010 08:56

Just catching up on this thread... My dd does not have the dummy for 8 hours straight; it goes in, she nods off, it falls out. I know for a fact she can fall asleep without it but at the moment there are big changes happening (new baby on the way, school looming in September) and I just don't think it's the right time to take away her source of comfort. I'm willing to leave it til Christmas when hopefully she's settled into school and the new baby has more of a routine too. You never know she might want to give her new baby brother or sister her dummy!

TiggyR · 21/04/2010 08:56

I agree with your last point Rindercella - extended BF is purely about security, comfort and control, just like hanging onto a dummy.

TiggyR · 21/04/2010 08:59

Alos I'm not sure many babies/toddleres actually keep their dummies in for 8 hours overnight, they just need them tog et to sleep and to soothe them if they wake up again for any reason. In my experience they usually fall out once the child is in a deep sleep.

Rindercella · 21/04/2010 08:59

Tiggy, I'm not sure that "extended BF is purely about security, comfort and control" was my point exactly!

TiggyR · 21/04/2010 09:05

Sorry, re-read it, and see what you mean now! But my point is that why should BF a three year old (or a 5 year old for that matter) be acceptable to some people who would not be accepting of a dummy at the same age? After all, by that stage the habit is kept up for pretty much the same reasons. The parent may think it's all about nutrition and immunity against disease but I can assure you the child doesn't!

Oblomov · 21/04/2010 09:08

why is it socially unacceptable ? not sure. maybe becasue we think that past toddlerhood they sghopuldn't need them. I kept telling ds , just before he went ot school what a 'big boy' he was. I suppose that doesn't sit with dummy.
But then I think it comes down to whether you like dummies or not in the first place. I don't. Nad i can't stand seeing them in older children whilst , say, playing in the park. Pains me. But if you don't mind them generally, then this wouldn't bother you.

morningpaper · 21/04/2010 09:18

My nearly 5 year old also has a dummy and the dentist KNEW

She only has it for maybe an hour a night? But the dentist still KNEW

I have tried every sort of bribe but she is always " OK but JUST NOT TODAY"

I have visions of having to promise to help with her university fees before she will give it up

muggglewump · 21/04/2010 09:19

My DD had her dummy until she was around 5. I didn't make her give it up because it didn't bother me.
I sucked my thumb until I was 9 and I know adults who still do.
It seemed to bother other people, they'd say it was dirty and she was too old for it, but I assured her it was fine, and she outgrew it in her own time, and I was prepared for that to be any age.
I'd make her take it out to talk, but other than that she could have it whenever she wanted, which until the last 6 months or so was pretty much all the time

I can't really see what the issue is when compared to a thumb, but maybe I think this way because I was a thumb sucker?.

differentnameforthis · 21/04/2010 09:32

"Also, feeding isn't done for 8 hours overnight" Have you met my nearly 4 week old DD2? hmm grin "

Rindercella, you have my deepest sympathies.... That made me laugh!

differentnameforthis · 21/04/2010 09:36

TiggyR, if a baby/toddler/child is a nose breather, the dummy has less potential to fall out & you would surprised how many toddlers/children locate their dummies & replace night after night!

And yes, genetic does play a part, but if there could be the potential for genetics to give dcs a a malocclusion or overbite of some sort, then the dummy won't help that at all.

In would rather get rid of the dummies at a decent age & leave it to genetics. Also, I actually think that having a nipple in the mouth for feeding is different to having a dummy in the mouth that provides (apart from comfort) nothing.

jobobpip08 · 21/04/2010 09:39

DS had a dummy until he was 4 (it would have been gone sooner but we had a family tragedy and i figured it wasn't the time to remove that comfort from him).

We had to negotiate hard to swap it for a toy and even then we wrote a letter to the dummy fairy asking her to take it to a family member in heaven (she was very kind and left him a little note). He had his final sucks and gave them to me (yes, them - one for the mouth and one in each hand!) and that weekend he said several times "I miss my dummy" and I just said "Yes, I know".

His teeth were alot straighter within 6 months and the other bonus was he didn't bite his lip if he fell over. He's getting closer to 6 now and when we check him before our bedtime I kiss him and you can see the sucking motion going on! Remembering good times !

TiggyR · 21/04/2010 09:40

This was another reason I gave my first baby a dummy. He was the slowest, most awkward breast feeder in the world. I came to the conclusion that he was using me as the dummy and my nipples really really couldn't take any more! I'm sure I spent 18 hours out of 24 'feeding' in those first few weeks! The dummy saved my sanity.

differentnameforthis · 21/04/2010 09:42

I am not talking about social acceptability. I don't care what people do/don't do... it is up to them, but I am looking at this thread from a professional POV.

Explaining so the OP will have a professional opinion on dummies & the problems they have the potential to cause.

As I said, my dd1 was a dummy girl until she was 3 & a few months, I took the choice to remove them then as I knew it could impact on her adult teeth wanted to give her mouth the chance to grow on it's own & not around a dummy.

mistressploppy · 21/04/2010 09:43

What seeker said. My DH still sucks his thumb!

Wholelottalove · 21/04/2010 10:03

Ah, I posted something similar about my DD who has just turned 2 and has dummy at night and also bottles of milk I was wondering why it seems so socially unacceptable (aside from teeth). I was really interested in comments about it being 'icky' - I still don't get why.

I was thinking about the number of adults who smoke/bite their fingernails/chew pens etc - why do these things? Many people find them soothing, in the same way a baby and young child finds sucking on a breast/bottle/thumb etc comforting/soothing. Just a thought.

differentnameforthis so are you saying that before 3 is ok in terms of impact on teeth?

posieparker · 21/04/2010 10:05

Bribe her, dummy fairy can come and take it away and replace it with a favourite dolly.