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Overwhelmed with new baby - please tell me it's normal to feel like this

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neuroticlady · 12/02/2008 12:32

Our baby is just over a week old. My DH and I are in a state of shock, I think. Everyone warns you what hard work it is but the reality has hit in a way we never expected and, if I am honest, we are both looking at each other and questioning why we had him. We both have had difficulty admitting this to each other but at least we're talking to each other about it. What makes it worse is that this is very much a 'wanted' baby - we went through years of trying before he came along. It makes how we feel so much worse to deal with.

Baby is currently screaming and we can't work out why, we're both exhausted and feeling pretty miserable, the house is a tip, our old lives look pretty good right now. Please can someone tell me they had similar feelings and that it will get better....? Thank you from a stressed new mum and dad!

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legalalien · 25/03/2008 16:17

Hi NL - nothing of great value to add but just wanted to check in. hopefully you got SIL's email re when she works and when she doesn't? don't be shy about ringing or emailing her - I didn't have to twist her arm or anything! actually, I hadn't realised how badly she had had PND herself when I suggested you get in touch with her - yet another example of the "silence" which unhelpfully (and I think unnecessarily) seems to surround the whole experience.

you will get some time to yourself, it just might not be quite yet - and trust me, it will feel REALLY strange when you do - as if you've left something behind / part of you is missing. Guess it's nature's way of making sure that helpless infants get looked after!

If you're a reader, get yourself a stash of good fiction books to read. I found staying at home watching TV a bit depressing, whereas with books you can convince yourself that you're feeding your mind!

keep up the good fight!

ess · 25/03/2008 21:49

Hi NL. Just remembered something we did with DD which may help- don't know if it's been mentioned before but "White Noise" seemed to calm her.
We stood for ohurs by the tumble dryer- the noise soothed her enormously. Ended up putting her moses basket next to it. Amazing what you will do for some peace!!
Hoover has a similar effect too or you can buy it on CDs!

Please, please go to your GP and ask for Infant Gaviscon. It will really help with the vomitting even if it's not reflux but it really sounds like it is. You have nothing to lose and there's nothing in it that can harm your baby. You can only get it on prescription.

Thinking of you.

wobbegong · 25/03/2008 22:35

Hi NL

just clocking in to see how you are. Sodding hoover, wretched freezer- no wonder you feel like the world is ganging up on you! My DD is 14 weeks and I haven't hoovered for weeks (that is not an exaggeration) and dinner invariably arrives on the back of a motorbike courtesy of a local takeaway. I set myself only tiny tiny goals each day- even getting to a mother and baby class would be my one "goal" for a day. You are doing so much more, and with a much less placid baby. I am keeping my fingers crossed that you hear back from the unit soon. Let us know.

xxx

becaroo · 26/03/2008 13:33

Oh NL, what a crappy day you had!!

I HATED mother and baby clinic and I ALWAYS left in tears at someones crass remarks about me or my son, so you are not alone there. As soon as his health imprived and the need for weekly weigh ins was past I never set foot in there again!

I would second the advice about Gaviscon.....also (sorry if this has already been mentioned) have you tried propping up his cot mattress with blankets or pillows under it??? I do this for my reflux and it works! Really helped my ds and good for when they have a cold too as they can breathe easier.

Hoping you have had a better day today x

claraquitetirednow · 26/03/2008 13:47

NL - yes definitely try Gaviscon. Dd1 had reflux and once she was able to take a bottle (that's another story) we started her on Gaviscon and it helped her so much. We also weaned her as early as possible (17 weeks) and this seemed to help too. At about 5 months she turned into a different baby - much happier, slept better (eg through the night), cried less etc. It turned our lives around too!

By the way, I am sure this is not the time to think about this but someone should save this thread and turn it into a book - it is such an incredible insight into what PND is really like and I think could help lots of new mums going through some version of what you are going through. I suspect just knowing that others have been where you now are, and survived, is probably a great help.

Sorry not articulating myself very well - getting distracted by dd2 shrieking (hopefully with pleasure!) under the baby gym. She was MEANT to be asleep.....

Meandmyjoe · 26/03/2008 15:45

Hi NL just wondering if you are feeling any more positive today? Jesus, things always happen all at once. You're doing so well, after our ds was born, I didn't vacuum for 7.5 weeks and that was only cos we sold that house and were moving! Maybe I'm a slob but I just couldn't even face getting dressed and brushing my hair some days (still don't if I have a bad day!)

I think you're doing incredibly well to even be thinking of housework and shopping. We lived off takeaways or microwave meals til we moved house. I didn't see the point in doing anything like that cos ds was so unsettled, one of us had to pace around with the extractor fan on (white nose!) whilst he other ate and then we'd switch so there seemed no point in having nice home cooked meals.

I second everyone elses advice about reflux, if he is crying inconsolably for 3-4 hours at a time then I would really pester the gp for answers. DS was/is an awkward baby but was never inconsolable, everytime we stood up with him and walked he would be quiet and happy. If he seems to be in pain or crying for this long then perhaps it could be reflux or maybe milk intolerance. I know how much a distressed baby can seriously affect your mood so perhaps if things get sorted than your feelings towards him will gradually change too. It seems impossible right now to 'like'
a baby that screams and keeps you awake all the time and never seems happy. It would depress everyone.

Did you get an answer from Tresillian? Again it's a case of pestering. Don't be afraid to get awkward and be a nussance!

Wishing you all the best and hoping things a bit brighter for you today!

neuroticlady · 27/03/2008 11:20

Hello everyone and thank you so much, as ever, for being so kind and supportive and for your advice and suggestions - just knowing you are out there thinking of me and wondering how it's going is giving me a real lift. When I have a bad day all I want to do now is get on here!

So, the baby has reflux. (MNers right again - you should all be paediatricians.) I took him to the paed yesterday, and the baby obligingly vomited three times whilst being examined. He's now on medication called 'Losec' (if anyone has heard of it). Half a tablet (yes, a tablet...) once a day in the evenings before a feed. I have to put the tablet on a sterilised spoon, add a tiny amount of formula, let the tablet turn a bit mushy, then try and spoon it into a seven week old baby's mouth. Of course, most of it ends up on his face, and his clothes. But he is being very good about it. But the next thing that happens is he chucks up his feed - and you can see the remnants of the tablet in it. I aired my concerns that this would happen to the paed but he said give it two weeks and if we see no improvement (he thinks we will) to call him to discuss, but he will probably suggest upping the dose to half a tablet twice daily. It won't stop the vomiting but it will control the acid burning, which is (of course) what would make him so unsettled and cry so much.

So we're just waiting to see what might happen. I have to say that the last couple of days he seems to have vomited more than ever, but I guess at least now we have a diagnosis, and perhaps I can translate that into more sympathy for our baby than I've had previously. I do feel really sorry for him as it must be awful, but dealing with a crying, vomit-covered baby whose bedding needs changing two or three times a night because it's so wet with vomit, after it's taken ages to settle him and then you have to wake him up to change him yet again, is hard. And when he's inconsolable it's soul destroying.

And yes, we're keeping his bed propped up as much as possible, though as he gains weight he's sliding down it more and more. We actually found him lying sideways at the bottom the other night, to our horror. And it's not a big bed with loads of space for this to happen: he's currently still in a hospital-style bassinet, though we reckon he'll have outgrown it within a couple of weeks.

But I do think I can tell the meds are working. (Apart from when the dishwasher, fridge-freezer and hoover all die in the same week...) I am coping with everything in a calmer way. I still don't know how I feel about it all, but I'm coping better. I still have moments where I feel overwhelmed, suffocated, despairing, but I haven't had the dreadful near-hysterical panic attacks, or the feeling that I might want to get out of this by throwing myself or the baby out of the window (and that's where I was just two or three weeks ago).

He's becoming a bit more interesting, too. A bit less floppy. Less alien. He's filling out. He's starting to smile. He's more familiar. I am less afraid of him.

Small steps. I go out with him more. I take the pram - without breaking into a sweat. I know now not to overdo it. One arrangement or appointment a day, no more. I know not to push myself too far out of my comfort zone. I still haven't faced taking him round the supermarket. That's a big one for me - haven't had the guts to do it yet.

My hands don't shake when I have to pick him up. I actually want to cuddle him close sometimes. I don't feel sick with fear when he cries, or when night time descends.

The meds have knocked the edge off all of this. I still have trouble sleeping. I still cry. I still wish I could run away quite frequently. But I don't feel terrified. I don't feel I'm sucked into the blackness like I was. I recognise that the essence of me is still in there, somewhere. I know (most of the time) what day of the week it is, what month we're in, what I said five minutes ago. My head is clearing, just a little.

In the meantime, the stay at Tresillian inches closer. They called today. I have a 'phone interview' next Wednesday, during which they will discuss an admission date with me. And I've made sure I have lots happening support-wise next week, as my parents leave on Tuesday. The prospect of the rest of the week on my own at home with the baby for 12 or so hours a day was just too daunting.

This has turned into a bit of an essay, sorry. It just feels so indulgent to be able to sit here and type (even though I should be in bed...). Thank you again for your support and so much encouragement. It's making a massive difference. One day, when I can face it, I'm going to revisit this thread from the start to see how far I've come and how much you've helped me along the way. x

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neuroticlady · 27/03/2008 12:46

P.S. Legalalian, yes your SIL and I have got in touch - thank you. She is lovely. x

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claireybee · 27/03/2008 13:00

NL so glad you have a diagnosis, it must be a relief to know that there is something causing his screaming, and that from there something can be done about it. Hope his meds start to take effect soon and he becomes easier for you, once that happens you'll be able to concentrate on you a bit more. It really sounds like you are making good progress though

thequietone · 27/03/2008 13:09

I'm close to tears here. This is my second baby (4 weeks old) and I'm close to completely losing it - not in a violent way, more of a teary way. My first didn't scream the house down all day so I'm desperately upset that nothing's going right with this one. Reading these [posts has reminded me that it's still too early to expect much else.

MyEye · 27/03/2008 13:20

So glad you have a diagnosis for him. That's a big step. (Shame it took docs so long though.)
He'll get the hang of swallowing the meds, and you'll get the hang of administering them, and it will make a difference.

Sounds like things are turning, slowly but surely -- I'm so pleased. I'd keep pushing for the unit though. You may not need to take up the place, but it might make you feel better to know it's there for you if neccessary.

Onwards, upwards.

orangina · 27/03/2008 13:39

NL, did you say you are in sydney? I only ask because I had a lovely aussie midwife/maternity nurse help out w our dd (dc#1) for 4 weeks after she was born, who was brilliant. She was living in London then, on a working holiday visa, but is now back in Oz (sydney I think), where she has been for the past 2+ years. I stay in touch w her in a vague sort of way, not sure whether she is doing midwifery or maternity nursing, but if you feel you might need some additional help and support once your parents leave, I could definitely recommend her if she was taking on that kind of work.
Have been following your thread, and am so glad that things do seem to be getting better for you. Dd had reflux too and it was awful, but the baby gaviscon did help massively, as well as tilting her cot etc, which you are doing. Hope you see results with that soon and that the meds keep on working. All the best, and do let me know if you would like me to contact K the midwife for you....

Meandmyjoe · 27/03/2008 15:49

Wow NL, I think if you read the posts now (I know you don't have time yet!) you would see just how far you've come already. You're doing brilliantly in a very difficult situation. A baby with reflux must be so so so hard on you and dh of course (not to mention the baby).

At least now you have found the problem, his symptoms and screaming should hopefully calm down, I'm sure you will feel differently towards him. Not sure anyone could say they enjoyed a baby who is inconsolable and makes everyone else miserable. There are loads of different meds for infant reflux though so don't give up if it doesn't get better straight away!

Very odd giving him a tabet at his age, I thought it would just be a solution or powder to mix with formula or something. Anyway, we all have our fingers crossed that it does the trick.

You are being so brave telling us how you're doing and as I keep saying, this will get easier and you and your husband will heal. Having a baby is the most difficult and traumatic thing I have ever done. My life felt like it was ruined. Now I look forward to so much and everyday I see ds developing and growing up before my eyes and I know it sounds cheesy but it is amazing. I am so proud of him (even though he's an awkward git sometimes!) and I could never imagine my life without him.

You will get to this point too. Just 4 months ago, I never ever thought I would have felt this about him. I felt the same panic you do but it goes, I promise.

You're doing great. x

becaroo · 27/03/2008 20:32

at giving such a young baby a tablet....

Obviously its great you finally have a diagnosis but I would ask for a liquid form of the meds asap....I think it would make all your lives easier.

Good luck x

Pitchounette · 27/03/2008 22:28

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ninedragons · 28/03/2008 01:26

So glad to hear you're inching towards feeling better, NL.

thequietone, sorry to hear you're having a hard time. I think this is really now a generic thread for anyone having a hard time with a newborn so I do hope you get strength from it too.

miffymum · 28/03/2008 08:35

Well done NL,

So glad you're feeling a bit better and things are on the up. Completely echo what pittchounette said about the syringe - much easier to give meds that way.

I think you've come so far since your original posts it's fantastic. You are amazing - keep hanging in there.

BEAUTlFUL · 28/03/2008 08:59

Could you completely crush the tablet into a powder (with a pestle and mortar or summink) and add it to his bottle?

I'm SO glad you found out what's wrong with him. How horrible it must have been for both of you, his crying all the time.

Big virtual hugs.

ess · 28/03/2008 12:46

Hi NL- so glad you are feeling slightly better- baby steps and your little one finally has a diagnosis- had a strong feeling it was reflux. You're story is almost identical to my- DD had bad reflux but my PND didn't start until she was six months old. Remember, it can take a while to get the meds right for reflux especially in such a tiny baby. There are many different things they can try. Do they not have Infant Gaviscon over there- maybe not. Just keep going back if you feel things aren't improving. The Gaviscon would certainly help control the vomitting- it's an antacid but thickens the contents of the stomach to help prevent it coming back up. Take care.

claraquitetirednow · 28/03/2008 13:47

Hi NL hope you are feeling better today, I have tried to keep up with this thread but it goes at such a fast pace it is hard.

Have you ever told us what your son is called? And what does he look like - does he have any hair (my dd1 had hardly any, and when it started to grow it was really fair, whereas dd2 was born with loads of dark hair, which she has kept), what colour is it? Have his eyes turned yet? You said he was smiling now, which is great - hopefully that will make it easier for you to bond with him because I think it makes all the difference once you begin to get something back from them.

Anyway I do hope things are getting better for you and your dh, I, like others on here, do think of you often. Strange thinking about a total stranger on the other side of the world but you write very eloquently and I think are able to give a great insight into what life is like for you at the moment.

lisalisa · 28/03/2008 13:55

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mumdebump · 28/03/2008 19:57

Hi NL, I haven't been on here for a while but have been thinking of you lots. Having just read your last post, all I can say is WOW! Just look at how far you have come in these last few weeks. Please keep everything you have written (and whatever MN pearls of wisdom have helped you on here) and turn it into a book. Others have said it already but I agree, you write so well (amazingly so considering you have severe PND, sleep deprivation and a poor baby with reflux). You are an amazing inspiration.
Hope DS starts to pick up now he has been properly diagnosed and that should help you and your DH too.

cheerfulvicky · 29/03/2008 19:39

I second the book idea I've been following this thread for ages and I'm so reassured by peoples posts to you, and inspired by your attitude. I don't have much advice but wanted to let you know I'm reading, and sending warm thoughts your way. x

Littlefish · 29/03/2008 19:59

Hi NL - any news from the mother and baby unit?

Just wanted you to know that I was thinking about you all today and wondered how you were.

neuroticlady · 30/03/2008 11:00

Finally grabbing five minutes to write again. What lovely messages are waiting, as always. I honestly don't know what I would do without the support of you all. I don't know that I can ever convey my gratitude, or the difference you have made over the past eight weeks. So much great advice, empathy, support and encouragement. I've hated myself at times for my reaction to this much wanted baby. But no matter what I have written, I have never felt judged. Thanks to you I put my hand up and got the help I needed really early on.

I am so glad that you feel something positive can come out of this, and that this thread may be helping others (thinking of you, thequietone). I really hope so. It has been a truly dreadful time, the most frightening experience of my life. Thinking I have made the most dreadful mistake, wanting to do anything to get out of it (at one point, I thought quite long and hard that if I got hit by a car I could be in hospital for quite a while and legitimately away from the baby, without anyone knowing what was going on in my head).

I know I am already in a better place than I was just a few weeks ago. But I also know I could slide back at any time. I still feel scared of the future, and scared to be alone - not so much with baby any more; more of being alone with my own thoughts. I still can't see how I will ever be relaxed or 'natural' in this new role, as I feel anything but natural as a mother. Even saying the word 'mother' seems alien. Other women become mothers, not me. Other women enjoy it, and love their children easily. I feel like a total fraud. I feel as if my terrible reaction to my baby has proved that I was never meant to be a mother; that the infertility and miscarriages were nature's way of telling me I wasn't cut out for it.

I know I will probably work through most of these feelings, with time. I don't know if I will ever forgive myself for not loving my baby the way he deserves to be loved. And I can't say whether I will ever love him in the way so many of you have described, after coming out the other end of bad times. I hope so, but who can say? I keep thinking of what mum told me her mum said to her on many occasions: "I wish you'd never been born!". There can be no worse thing you can ever say to your child. I don't ever want to say that to my child, but who knows whether I am going to be any better at motherhood than my maternal grandma was? What makes me so different? After all, I've thought to myself that I wish our baby had never been born, many times.

Everyone is confident those feelings will pass. Certainly, I already feel better about him than I did just a few weeks ago. I kiss him, cuddle him, talk to him. I still feel self conscious, as if he knows what's been going on in my head - all those bad thoughts. And I think to myself: even if I do grow to truly love him unconditionally, how will I ever reconcile myself with those feelings I had to start with? When the relationship with your child begins in such a dreadful way, how do you ever forgive yourself?

orangina, thank you for the suggestion of contacting your maternity nurse for me. It's so nice of you. It's not something we can really afford but if it gets to the stage where I feel it's the only way I am going to cope, I will get back to you. Thanks.

Re; having to give a tablet. Yes, it does seem a particularly stupid way to have to give a baby medicine, but it is getting a bit easier and I am managing to get more of it down him. I feel like I daren't say this too loudly, but he is possibly starting to settle a bit more easily and cry less. Poor little thing. He's not a 'bad' baby; it's my reaction to him that has been so bad, so horrible.

I should have a date for the mother and baby unit by next Wednesday. I need to know it's there to fall back on. I'm worried about coping without mum and dad's support. (One more day to go.) I'm anxious about my family being on the other side of the world. That after tomorrow, it's down to DH and me. Ridiculous as this sounds, realising the clocks go back here next weekend has made me feel more anxious, too: night time will close in by about 6pm and just a few weeks ago seeing it get dark, and thinking about the night ahead, was a major trigger for the panic attacks.

One day at a time. That's what I have to keep telling myself. It keeps a lid on the panicky thoughts. But no doubt about it, next week (and all the weeks after) is going to be a challenge, and I will have to step up. I hope I'm up to it.

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