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Overwhelmed with new baby - please tell me it's normal to feel like this

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neuroticlady · 12/02/2008 12:32

Our baby is just over a week old. My DH and I are in a state of shock, I think. Everyone warns you what hard work it is but the reality has hit in a way we never expected and, if I am honest, we are both looking at each other and questioning why we had him. We both have had difficulty admitting this to each other but at least we're talking to each other about it. What makes it worse is that this is very much a 'wanted' baby - we went through years of trying before he came along. It makes how we feel so much worse to deal with.

Baby is currently screaming and we can't work out why, we're both exhausted and feeling pretty miserable, the house is a tip, our old lives look pretty good right now. Please can someone tell me they had similar feelings and that it will get better....? Thank you from a stressed new mum and dad!

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MyEye · 17/03/2008 10:43

What do the nurses advise about the nighttime screaming? Are they giving you any pointers? What do they say you should do when he cries like this?

Can't your parents do the overnight stint with him? It doesn't ALWAYS have to be your responsibility you know. Earplugs etc. (But if you're wired, you're wired, I know. Is there nothing the docs can give you to help you sleep? When my meds started to work I never slept through any nightfeeds, but just managed to slip back easily to sleep after them, it wasn't that they knocked me out for the count)

Popilol · 17/03/2008 12:01

I have watched this thread with interest for the past few weeks.

It all sounds so familiar. There is also wonderful advice and support being offered - I wish it had been around when I was in a similar situation 3.5 years ago.

I don't have anything startingly new or amazing to add except that my 'lightbulb' moment came when DD1 was about 11 weeks old and we were about to abandon an horrific 'break' away after 2 nights of screaming. We were watching Richard and Judy (or something intellectually similar) and it featured an American paedeatrician. I just can't remember his name (has written a book and been paed to the celebs) but what stuck with me was how he described the first 3 months of a baby's life as the 4th Trimester. It all suddenly made sense. The baby would be better off still inside but wasn't so it is best to replicate womb-like conditions as much as possible i.e. swaddling, lots of 'shhing' and rocking.

Also, my HV leant me a book called something like 'The New Mother Syndrome' published 1970s or 1980s which set out how I was feeling. That provided huge reassurance, if no answers.

Finally, at one stage I was willing to hit the next well meaning person who told me 'it will get better'. I wanted to scream 'WHEN?'. That's the frustrating bit - no-one can say exactly when it will get better. But oh boy, it so does and is so worth it. Hang in there, you'll soon be feeling like a different person with a different baby.

Casserole · 17/03/2008 12:29

NL, I am waiting for my first baby to be born, so I have absolutely no words of wisdom I'm afraid... but I wanted you to know that I just read through all 21 pages of this thread, and that right now I'm sitting here in the UK saying a prayer for you to get some peace and rest tonight over there.

It's all I've got to offer, but you've got it. I wish I had more, I wish I could come over with pizza, or wine, or just to take your little one round the block for an hour, but this will have to do.

Stay strong and courageous. Think how far you've come in terms of asking for help. It will pass, it will. History tells us that even if feelings and even common sense don't right now!! These wise women who have gone before and lived to tell you their tales, they are your lanterns right now.

I am so sorry this has been such a hard road for you. Am sitting here thinking of you.

wobbegong · 17/03/2008 12:50

Thinking of you today NL. That is so typical of babies to be beautifully behaved when you are complaining about them! then little monsters later when everyone has gone away.

There is I think some point in going to bed and just lying down even if you can't sleep?

MyEye offers good advice- I can't add to that anything but my best wishes from rainy North London.

handbagqueen · 17/03/2008 12:58

Hi,
I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but just wanted to say that DH2 was a very unsettled baby would only stop crying when being held or fed - day and night.

We took her to a cranial osteopath and it made her a different baby, the results were immediate and miraculous.

Meandmyjoe · 17/03/2008 20:01

Oh NL, I'm sure that nothing we say seems real or believable to you but everyone is so right. All I can do is repeat what I and everyone else have said in previous posts (I'm so sorry if this frustrates you even more) but here goes.... this really will pass!

As I have said before, I had the same feelings as you. The fear, the not loving ds like I thought I would, the guilt for not loving him, the guilt for not being able to breastfeed straight away, the terror of being left on my own with ds, the lonliness and the racing heart.

Just thinking about that time actually makes me feel queasy even now (7 months on), I feel a lump rise in my throat at admitting these feelings. I so wish I had been as strong and honest as you. I won't say I had depression as such (perhaps just very prolonged but terrifying baby blues) so I really can not entirely know the depths of what you are feeling. All I can say is so much of what you are saying rings massive bells with me. From what others are saying a lot of what you are feeling rings massive bells with everyone!

Maybe all new mums are in some way at least mildly depressed. The hormones take months to recover, the lack of sleep drains everyone, the total shock of it all. I remember mourning who I used to be, missing little things like being able to watch tele or have a lie in. Wanting my life back, wanting ME back. If someone had offered to take my son away and erase all memory and records of me having him, I would have done so- in a second. I took his cries as rejection, like he wanted to be someone elses baby. I felt completely out of control and would escape any way I could (I told you before about me sitting on the toilet for at least 20 minutes with my heart pounding just so I didn't have to be in the same room as our baby). Horrible, horrible time. The worst in my life.

The sad thing is that everyone told me how it would be the most beautiful and wonderful experience of my life. When ds was born I lokked at him laying on me and I felt nothing- just tired and empty but mostly scared. I knew I didn't want anything bad to happen to him but it felt like he could have been anybodies baby. I wish someone had have been honest with me. Which is why this is such a great thread and what you are doing by being so open is no doubt going to help so many people- now and in the future.

I can not say when it will get better. So many people told me a set date or week I would feel better or the baby would be more settled. BULLSHIT! I pinned my hopes on days and dates so many times just to have my heart broken and resent my baby for not being like everyone elses.

I will say that although the love came for my ds on day 17, the fear of being around him lasted for many many months. The wishing that someone would just come and rescue me and the praying that we could go back in time and not plan to have a baby lasted until very recently. Maybe that's cos ds is such a miserable and hard to please baby but still I feel ashamed for admitting it!

The reality is that there was no set day of improvement. I still have horrendous days now where I feel my pulse rising and I actually have to bite my toungue to stop me from shouting at him to shut up. Even on days like this, I still wouldn't be without him for all the money in the world. Gradually, you learn coping mechanisms and things do improve. You and your baby get to know eachother and the hormones will eventually calm down. The love will come in time.

When talking to one of my friends just last week about how I really felt in the beginning,she admitted to me that she didn't love her ds until he was 10 months old. I couldn't believe it, she was one of the people that told me how great motherhood was and how the love was instant. I actually found myself being really disappointed in her for not telling me the frigging truth and for letting me feel so guilty and not warning me how it really was. I guess she felt the way I did and just kept it quiet and thought she was 'abnormal' for feeling this way. If only more people were like you NL. So many more people would feel comforted and 'normal' for the way they feel.

Please remember that this (although it feels like a lifetime) is all very new. Six weeks is no time at all and you are still getting to know your baby, you are both still learning. I feel like I'm still learning now! But when I look at my ds asleep right now and I know that there is nothing I would rather be than his mummy.

I really wish I could help. Please also remember that an unsettled baby who screams for as long as you said would depress anyone. This won't last forever. It hasn't been helped by your dh feeling down too. Proof that an upset baby can depress anyone!

I am thinking of you and I know you'll get through this. You have so much to look forward to with your ds. I know you don't see it right now but it's true. When the baby smiles and laughs, coos or babbles, it's amazing. Amazing because you actually feel that you are doing something right instead of feeling guilty and useless. Even now when ds smiles it reassures me that I can make him happy and that it will all be worth it.

Please take care of yourself and GO TO BED AT NIGHT!!!! Nothing is sure to make you feel even worse than exhaustion. I found it hard to get to sleep too, I just stared at the ceiling and waited constantly frightened that ds would wake up. Thankfully he slept through at 10 weeks so when your ds starts sleeping for longer, you may be able to relax and sleep a little more, knowing that you'll actually get some sleep helps you get TO sleep if you see what I mean!

Wow I babbled on for ages (sorry) I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone. This shit will pass and you will come out of it at the other end and have a wonderful family and so many amazing things to look forward to. The newborn stage is often the hardest as you get nothing back, the hormones are still raging, eveything's new and the baby won't bloody sleep at night! This will get better. You will feel better. Sending you lots of hugs and hoping you are believing what we are telling you. You can do this xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Bodkin · 17/03/2008 20:35

Hi - I've been dipping in and out of this thread for the last little while and just wanted to add my support.

I also wanted to say what a brilliantly written post (12 March) Claireybee's is... it pretty much summed up my experience with both of my DDs (DD1 is 4 and DD2 is 8 months). DD2 is on the home straight now - and life is improving on a daily basis

Bodkin · 17/03/2008 20:42

I crossed with you Meandmyjoe... my post looks pretty trite in comparison

I'm not feeling very eloquent tonight, but you have brought tears to my eyes.

Pitchounette · 17/03/2008 20:44

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tori32 · 17/03/2008 21:59

Meandmyjoe what a moving post and completely sums up the first 9-10mths of dd's life. I felt completely as you described.
My dd is now 2.2y and I can honestly say I would die for her, I love her so much. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Keep talking to us NL x

MyEye · 18/03/2008 17:10

NL, how are things?

MyEye · 19/03/2008 08:17

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neuroticlady · 19/03/2008 09:03

Up and down, as ever MyEye - and again thank you to everyone for your amazing posts. I read them all (usually in the small hours) but just don't get a chance to respond properly due to either holding the baby (so can't type) or not getting the time.

I had a bad night with him but felt quite even about it - the meds finally kicking in? I must mention the inability to fall asleep as I guess I was thinking the meds would be a cure-all. The problem is I get an opportunity to sleep earlier in the night when DH does the 10pm-ish feed, but I just can't switch off. Then I'm up with the baby from anything between 1 and 3am, and after that he doesn't settle so I get no more sleep. I must have checked the clock about 20 times through the night last night. So much of it is down to anticipating him waking up.

It's the first time I woke up not soaked in sweat (sorry, I know it's horrible). However, the sweating thing was back this afternoon, for no perceptible reason. Just starting to slide into feeling all a bit overwhelmed again. That it never stops, that it never will.

I'm also starting to dread my parents leaving. Although it will be nice to have some time for DH and I, I don't know how I am going to cope without having anyone, and I mean anyone, who can take the baby and give me a break, even for half an hour. At the moment I can go and rest for an hour, take the dogs out for 20 mins by myself, just have some breathing space. That will stop in under two weeks, and it's quite a suffocating thought, and incredibly scary in my current frame of mind. I am trying to do what everyone tells me and take it one day at a time instead of racing ahead and worrying about the future, but it's really hard. If I am starting to feel a bit more even (as opposed to terrified) some of the time, I know so much of that is down to the level of support my parents are giving me. Soon they are going to be on the other side of the world. It will be me and the baby for 12 hours a day. Then me and the baby at night. What scares me about this prospect (and I know it's what every mother does, it's just I am not coping very well with it all) is that the overwhelming responsibility and lack of a break with make me plummet into the depths of the blackest times I've had again. I need to talk this through with the psych, I can see that. And I know my name is down on the list for residential care, should I need it. I just wish I wasn't so frightened of everything.

He's crying again. I wish, wish, wish, he would settle. I'd better go. Thank you for thinking of me.

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neuroticlady · 19/03/2008 09:53

P.S. DH had one chore, and I mean one chore, to do all day regarding the baby, and that was to sterilise the bottles once he came in from work. Well he just threw one across the kitchen. He apologised but I just wish he could do this one thing with good grace. I have had the baby all day and now my stomach is in knots because of how DH is reacting. I honestly don't think he realises how he impacts on me.

He marched off to work this morning without so much as a backward glance at the baby. It crushes me.

He's leaving my mum to go and settle the baby. He's had nothing to do with him all day. It makes me really angry.

Am I being unfair?

I just desperately want us both to start enjoying something of this.

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GooseyLoosey · 19/03/2008 10:04

Can your parents stay any longer?

I found a routine of going out helped a lot, I could not bear being alone in the house with ds. Same time, same places every week. Ds was better in a buggy and I found that when I was out, I had to pretend to be a good mother more which helped both of us. Also, it removed any need to think what I was going to do and drove me out even when I didn't want to. My life was entirely dicatated by baby and toddler groups and bus timetables.

meep · 19/03/2008 10:06

Hi neuroticlady - I saw your thread when you first posted but was at work and wasn't able to reply.

Just wanted to say that the first wee while with a baby is tough - you have these visions of you and your DH smiling together at your little bundle of joy - alas it is seldom like that. I probably had more arguments with my dh in the first couple of months than I have ever had. I can still remember him shouting "I don't know what you want from me" and I also felt that he didn't care about dd.

It was so untrue - they have such a special relationship now (she is 8.5mo) and I love watching them together.

I think it sometimes takes men a bit longer to bond and they don't have the same patience that we do with a newborn. I think my dh would also be very stressed at how I was ( a gibbering wreck most of the time ).

I have found that my dh needs a wee bit of time to himself every weekend - I go out with dd for a couple of hours and he does what he does. It works and he now phones to see when we're coming back. He loves it when I bring her into bed in the morning before he goes to work - and if he's home early enough he becomes "splashy daddy" and does bath time.

I know you feel like he doesn't care at the moment but it will happen and soon you will be on MN saying that your ds has more fun with your dh than you

I haven't read your whole thread (so apologies if I have missed anything) but just wanted you to know that it does get better and you will become that lovely snuggly family unit that you pictured when you were pregnant.

Habbibu · 19/03/2008 10:14

NL, you're not being unfair, but as you said, your DH is just not coping, and he's also not expressing his stress (apart from throwing bottles!). Is there anyone else he might talk to - I mean, maybe even just a friend he can vent to over a beer?

Agree with Goosey - get out of the house as much as you can. Physically tiring your body by walking a lot may help you sleep, and everyone goes mad in the house on their own with a baby. Pack a book, bottle of water, mobile phone, walkman/radio and get out. Chances are baby will sleep, and if you're not getting sleep, exercise and fresh air, can, oddly enough be the next best thing. I remember walking dd round and round and round a carpark in the rain so that I could get her to sleep and then go and sit in the bookshop cafe, eat cake, drink coffee and read. Make a little gentle plan for each day, and for the weekend, so that the days don't drag on for you. Get DH to sit down with you and make these gentle plans, so that you both have fun things to do and look forward to.
And, once again - IT WILL GET BETTER!

pinkypig · 19/03/2008 10:55

Hi NL,

Thinking of you still. I sound like a broken record but I believe the residential unit will help you turn the corner 100% faster than you are right now. Is there something stopping you going in? For me it was a no-brainer but then maybe I was worse than you...

I worry you are not getting any/much sleep. Until you can get some rest you will be fighting a tough battle.

Hang in there.

PP

mellowma · 19/03/2008 11:03

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MyEye · 19/03/2008 11:09

Snap with pp. You really do need to mention the sleep thing to the docs. It's key. Your meds should ideally be tackling this.

Also please mention to the psych your overwhelming feelings of dread about your parents going back. Someone said ages ago that this should be the point at which you'll need the support of the the residential unit, and that makes sense to me. I really think you/they/DH should push for this...

Plus I think you need someone to give you some techniques to weather DH's 'issues', if he is not going to confront them himself. Of course his inability to cope is knocking you sideways. Someone (psych?) needs to give you a way of dealing with this.

What are people saying about DS's screaming, btw?

KoalaKid · 19/03/2008 12:08

Hi NL,
I'm LegalAlien's SIL, This is my first post so please excuse the waffle! I live in Sydney & would love to help you!!! Having being diagonsed with PND, I've experienced a lot of what you have gone/going through (and have had many many friends who have tested all the local facilities/services). A few pointers; You are doing the right thing by utilising multiple resources many mums who have used Tresillian have come away feeling like a "failure", as many have had the "perfect child" at Tresillian, but not at home - treat it as any other resource, take what you need from it (you will get some useful tips) & don't worry about the rest too much (I tried to follow their plans to the letter and got into a real mess - some children are just a bit more challenging huh!) If you have the money there are some excellent "baby Whisperer" services around that can help with sleeping etc (a friend of mine actually used a night nurse to help with her twins, others have used them to help with sleep patterns etc) I've noticed that you have joined a PND mother's group, have you considered one through your local clinic? (I know it is hard to be social (and if you are anything like me it is the last thing you'll feel like doing) - but a support group of local women might help. I don't think I could have pulled through without mine) - please stick at at least one group, they are well worth it.

More than happy to give you my e-mail. Not sure how to... Also have a delightful English friend living on the Northern Beaches (with a 1yr old & 6 yr old).

Pitchounette · 19/03/2008 12:50

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legalalien · 19/03/2008 12:55

NL, on the basis that signing up to the contact-a-mumsnetter service requires time / effort / finding a credit card, I've set up an email address with yahoo that you can email me on and that I don't mind making public, it's LAfrommumsnet at yahoo dot co dot uk. I won't be able to access it until this evening UK time (restrictions on my work PC), but if you email me at that address, I can pass on KK's email address to you. Don't be shy about it as she is really lovely!

legalalien · 19/03/2008 21:19

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(NL hope things are going OK?)