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I am devastated and need help <BAD PARENT ALERT>

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dejags · 14/02/2007 09:14

My DS1 (5.9) is a complex little chap and this morning I have realised that I am totally and utterly failing him. My heart is breaking and I just don?t know what to do. A bit of background:

DS has always been a very ?hard work? child. He talks incessantly and can be very difficult to guide. For example ? we tried to homeschool him last year when we were travelling around the world and it was a total disaster. He just wouldn?t listen, refused to acknowledge that he understood simple concepts (when we knew for a fact that he did). The homeschooling caused so much discord that we decided to give up and not do any schooling with him at all (he was only just five, so we weren?t too worried). Along with being ?hard work? he is incredibly affectionate, cerebral and grown up. He is very tall for his age (1.3m) and intellectually he more mature than his peers. He loves nothing more than to natter with grown-ups.

In the last six months DH and I have realised that our parenting techniques with our eldest child suck. We have tried various different things but nothing changes. On the face of it, DS1 is a happy, confident little boy. When you scratch the surface, he is a desperately insecure little boy. We decided to have him assessed by an Educational Psych, she didn?t tell us anything we didn?t really know about him, but her assessment of us as parents has shattered us (me in particular).

Essentially, DS is ultra dependant on me. This stems back to my PND and mine and DH?s unrealistic expectations of our little boy. We have been too hard on him, we expect too much of him and in doing so have had a really bad effect on his self-esteem and ability to do things for himself. DS feels that he is not good enough in particular for DH. We haven?t meant to be too hard on him ? we have only ever wanted the best for him. We lost sight of the fact that he?s a small boy who only sees our disapproval (we don?t disapprove of anything he does but he doesn?t understand that).

After this DH and I agreed that it was us who needed help and started counselling to help us with our parenting techniques. All good I hear you say.

Well DS1 started in Y1 at the beginning of the year. He has been doing fine on the academic side of things but the teacher says she is really struggling with his behavior. He is disruptive in class, talks too much and cannot concentrate on what he needs to do. As a result he is the only child in the class who has not made it onto the star-chart.

In line with the Psychs? advice, we have been telling him, that we don?t care about the star chart and that he should just try his best and reinforcing the fact that we love him and we are proud of him. His teacher is totally on board with this (she?s wonderful), but she cannot progress him onto the star chart because his behavior just doesn?t warrant it.

Yesterday he comes home and tells us how delighted he is to be on the star chart. This morning he didn?t want me or DH to come into school with him. With some gentle persuasion, he admits that he has lied and that he isn?t on the starchart after all. My little boy just sits and cries his heart out that he doesn?t want me to be cross with him. How have we got it so very, very wrong?

My DS thinks we think he is a failure at age 5. We don?t think this but I can see how our actions in the past may have led this little mite to having such a crap self-image. I am totally devastated and don?t know how to fix this.

On the one hand if I say nothing at all, it?s like I don?t care. On the other hand, if I say something, he perceives it to be pressure. This sensitive little soul is the light of my life, everybody knows this except him.

Sorry if you've fallen asleep but I needed to get this off my chest.

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CurlyN · 15/02/2007 10:45

dejags, please don't be so hard on yourself. The star chart system sounds awful. I thought schools didn't do the competitive thing at this age. I also have a big, little 5yr DS. He's in reception. and i too am in reception at least once a week. can't sit still, play fights with friends etc etc. anyway, what i am trying to say, is IMO your DS has missed the whole point of Reception class, where they teach the skills required to continue through the rest of school. Its all so exciting for them, and they need time, to learn how to settle down ready for year 1. My DS has had mentors to watch over his behavior, he's been split from his main buddy, and encouraged to make new friends. He's had a really tuff time so far learning the right behavior for school and what is expected from him. He understands, why he can't sit next to X Y Z, and what happens if he does. do you get my drift. sorry if this sounds like a load of waffle, its what i do!

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dejags · 28/02/2007 13:32

Update on this thread:

Well two weeks later, things are very different (amazing how quickly it can change).

DH and I are continuing our parenting counselling sessions - it is going very well and we are learning things about ourselves which will be useful as parents as well as individuals.

I went ahead (on the back of this thread) and had a one on one meeting with DS's teacher. I outlined where I thought things werent' working (in particular the exclusionary star chart and him sitting on his own). She agreed with me and immediately took steps to implement a more individual approach with him.

The difference is, as I said, dramatic.

He is much happier to go to school, he is now on the infernal star chart (he is rewarded for individual good behaviour, good work etc). Mostly I think the teacher gained an understanding about him from me that she couldn't have had otherwise.

So despite worrying about looking like an interfering hag and pushy parent things have worked out well.

DS1 is never going to be an easy to understand child. He is complex by nature and the lesson I have learned from this, is that I need to be his advocate in some situations because of this. There is no shame in this and it doesn't make me interfering or painful, it's my duty.

Thank you everybody for all your wonderful advice and help on this one.

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Paddlechick666 · 28/02/2007 14:17

so glad to hear things have improved.

thanks for letting us know.

i hope you and your dh have your own star charts becuase you deserve a big gold one each.

well done for handling the situation so well, getting his teacher on side and influencing her to change her approach.

your son is lucky to have parents who are so open minded and willing to do their very best for him.

hope things continue to improve.

kamikayzed · 28/02/2007 20:18

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Sakura · 01/03/2007 07:33

Dejags,
All I can say is its amazing that you have the courage and insight to look at your own actions in the way you have and go about sorting them out. Many many parents never make it this far. I have a truly crap mother. Shes crap because she would never <span class="italic">ever</span> admit that she had a fault and would never be criticised. You are not like this, so I think you are a very <strong>good</strong> mother, I really do. I truly believe that in this life its not the mistakes we make that define us, but how we <span class="italic">deal</span> with those mistakes. I havent read all the thread, so I dont know if its already been said, but I would totally forget about your sons education for now. Forget it completely. It doesnt matter if he ends up working in Macdonalds in the future. Hes sure to find his own interest at some point, whether its maths, or biking or swimming or whatever he likes. But hes only likely to do this if hes left alone. Dont even ask the teacher about his star-chart. Just perhaps ask him how his friends are or whatever.

Sakura · 01/03/2007 07:37

Oh and a book I cannot reccomend enough is "Letting GO as CHildren Grow" by Deborah Jackson. There is an interesting piece in their about star charts and how children see them as being unfair. She mentions a classroom of kids who actually boycotted the star chart. The kids found that those who sat close to the teacher tended to get a star, and other good behaviour that was missed didnt get a star, and if you had someone slow in your group, your group wouldnt get a star and all of this. So the kids who received stars ended up refusing them or something like that. Anyway, its worth a read.

Sakura · 01/03/2007 07:46

Oh, and after reading the whole thread, I think your son`s teacher is a nob.

SofiaAmes · 02/03/2007 07:20

dejags, your ds sounds a lot like mine (6.25). And I am having the same experience with ds' 1st grade (usa) teacher as you are having. Luckily she doesn't do a star chart, but instead just sends complaint notes incessantly about how ds is doing poorly in "listening." (she is one of the more boring people I have ever met, so I'm not surprised ds doesn't listen to her) I just file the notes away and don't ever mention them to ds. He does perfectly well in the school work and tests, so I am not worried. I have now come to the conclusion that it really is truly a teacher issue. And in addition, I am fairly sure that it's very much a matter of experience. The people who have taught and looked after ds have almost all LOVED him. In fact several have told me that he was their favorite child ever. The only two teachers that had problems and constant complaints about him were the only two young and inexperienced ones. One was at her first teaching job and the other (current teacher) is only in her third year of teaching. From now on, I am planning on vetting teachers for ds by how many years of teaching experience they have.
Also, I found that a lot of ds' restlessness and behavior issues are because he is bored in class because it's too easy for him. I have high expectations for him at home and have given him much more difficult (and far more interesting) books to read than he gets at school and ironically that seems to have calmed him down quite a bit. I think that it has given him more confidence to ask for more challenging work in class and therefore he isn't as bored. I also constantly tell him how great he is and how good he is at things.
If you are supportive and encouraging at home, I think children very quickly figure out that star charts at school are really not so important since there are plenty of things that they can do really well that aren't recognized in school, but are at home.

SofiaAmes · 02/03/2007 07:23

Oh, and also, I make a point of never asking ds to compare himself to the other kids in the class. But always tell him that he is the cleverest boy I know. (Dd is the cleverest girl I know).

SouperciliousDragon · 02/03/2007 07:29

oh hurrah Dejags .. such good news .. and so good that you found a way to make his teacher listen

long may it continue

Twig (need to go change this infernal name now)

ghosty · 02/03/2007 07:44

Dejags .... I was just shouting at my computer about that teacher ... I haven't read all the other posts but was skimming through when I saw that finally the silly woman has put your darling little boy on the star chart

As an ex teacher (who admittedly hasn't taught for 5 years) I was hopping mad at her comments about your DS' behaviour not warranting inclusion on the star chart. BAD BAD BAD practice IMO.

Positive reinforcement in the classroom (and it doesn't have to be a star chart fgs) has EVERYTHING to do with children performing well in class (behaviourally speaking and in many cases academically too). I learned this as a teacher and I have seen my DS open and blossom with positive teachers then clam up and flounder with a negative teacher.

You are a fabulous mother - your posts brought tears to my eyes - you have done marvellously {{{{{}}}}}...

nappybaglady · 02/03/2007 08:06

hi dejags. This thread has brought me out of retirement. You are wonderful parents. Hold tight to all the great memories from last year

You've made me think about how I deal with my kids. I know I expect too much from DD because she's the sensible older one. How I hated being the sensible one when I was a child. I must remember to jump in some muddy puddles with them both today, to have fun and laugh with them and to hell with being sensible

Hope that all the effort you are both making for DS continues to reap benefits. Take care and enjoy tourselves. wahey, it's nearly the weekend

R xxx

Judy1234 · 02/03/2007 08:08

I think you should have two more children, both of you get jobs, give much less attention to this boy but find some hobbies out of school he can really excel at and not making parenting him some kind of life's work.

dejags · 02/03/2007 08:15

Sometimes MN is a hell-hole but more often it is such a great, great (virtual) place.

You have all lifted my spirits consistently on this one, it's made a HUGE difference in how I handled the situation.

Thank you.
xxx

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dejags · 02/03/2007 08:16

Xenia,

really helpful. thank you [hmmm]

He is my lifes work and I am absolutely and utterly proud of that.

I respect your way of doing things, but frankly, your response shows a clear disrespect of my way of doing things.

Sometimes least said... and all of that.

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Tamum · 02/03/2007 08:18

Dejags, I only just saw this but I'm so glad things have improved.

Xenia, that has to be without doubt the most bitchy and unhelpful (and boringly repetitive) post I have seen on here.

Twiglett · 02/03/2007 08:26

I have divested myself of Soupercilious Dragon and just wanted to post a hurrah in my own name

(ignore the troll Dejags .. s'not worth it)

dejags · 02/03/2007 08:29

Thanks Tamum & Twiglett.

Was about to get all wound up - tis not worth it though.

I think I'll go and get a tea (one of the perks of working FULL TIME and being pregnant.

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Tamum · 02/03/2007 08:31

You're right dejags, rise above it

notmenow · 02/03/2007 08:31

xenia comes up with the goods again-not!

yellowrose · 02/03/2007 08:38

dejags - it sound to me like you absolutely adore your son and are proud of him

staceym11 · 02/03/2007 08:40

now xenia that wasn't very helpful comment was it (acctually all the comments i have seen from you have been particularily unhelpful)

dejags, your little boy sounds amazing, all kids have their quirks and parenting is a hard road to walk, but you are doing a fantastic job. as with addicts, the hardest bit is admitting you have a problem. does nobody notice on all the parenting shows it's the parents problem not the childs? we'r not perfect and they are shaped by us, so they go wrong generally it's something we did. that does not mean you are a bad parent, it means you're a human being!

chin up! you're doing a fabulous job!

dejags · 02/03/2007 08:41

I do Yellowrose - but I'd still like to string him up some days

He can be a contrary little bugger some times - but can't they all?

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staceym11 · 02/03/2007 08:44

dejags, thats part of parenting too, today i am shipping dd (2) off to her auntie coz yesterday was so bad if we have another like that im likly to lock her in her bedroom!