Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Behaviour/development

Talk to others about child development and behaviour stages here. You can find more information on our development calendar.

my partner smacked my dd

456 replies

majormug · 07/09/2006 23:03

help.... the other night my partner smacked my daugter because she licked her hands after she had eaten a doughnut..... he had told her not to and told her to go wash her hands.... temptation got the better of her and she licked them. i giggled because its the sort of thing i would do. it was a smack not a tap. he isnt in my good books anyway.... long story but we havent been together long and even her daddy wouldnt smack for something so trivial. he is always getting at her.... on a recent holiday she went through a 'dribbly' phase (how else do i put it.... little accidents' he went mad... took away privaledges and i had to turn my head whilst i cried. i know that this is def NOT the way to treat her or deal with her but our relationship is very fragile...

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
cowmad · 15/09/2006 01:11

been trying to say this all day...
stop hugging everyone an have an opinion pleeesssee
should i /would you inform police?

runkid · 15/09/2006 01:16

Are you aiming that at me cowmad. I have an opinion and i would be wary of informing the police you dont no what shit you could bring down on mm and her daughter if they turn up at his house

cowmad · 15/09/2006 01:18

runkid overlap not aimed at you
honest

runkid · 15/09/2006 01:20

Know worries all seems to be getting a little heated

cinderelly · 15/09/2006 01:21

Polce? Whats the point? She needs a brother or hitman to scare him off if she cant face it herself.

hunkermunker · 15/09/2006 01:30

Cowmad, no, you shouldn't inform the police.

OK?

Sandcastles · 15/09/2006 01:47

MMF "because it means she is staying away from his house" either that or he has found out what she has been saying and is taking it out on her or her daughter!!!!!

Just because she isn't posting, doesn't necessarily mean she isn't there.

I know that this isn't on Victoria Climbie scale, but what does he have to do to her daughter to make mm realise that this isn't going to stop. And from what I know about DV, doesn't it start off with a slap here & there & pick up "pace" as it were???

makemineadouble · 15/09/2006 06:39

MMF you said you'd see her soon to show her print out of thread please find out what the real score is. is she chosing to stay, did he stop her leaving? is she waiting for right moment whatever let us know I can support her long enough but if she puting this child at risk because of love for him ??!! Im out at least get the child out???????

majormugsfriend · 15/09/2006 10:21

I?m glad I wasn?t online last night and missed cowmad?s mad cow rantings. Please bear with me on this post, I have typed/deleted/retyped this many times this morning.
Well I saw her briefly last night, I gave her the print out of this thread (printed it about 5pm) and I also printed some pages from the Women?s Aid website for her.
It makes me so that so many of you are posting on here because of personal experience.
She said he has been ok for the last few days and that she is probably going to move in with him (they live next-door-but-one to each other) when her notice runs out ? yes I know, I told her she?s mad if she does that but I can?t make her do anything. I spent 3 hours listening to her & talking to her a few weeks ago but she is choosing to ignore advice. If ever I try to talk to her now she will just say ?please don?t have a go? and start crying, and then there is no getting through to her.
Please don?t compare this to the Climbie case, this is a very different situation, but also don?t think for one minute I condone what is happening or want to defend it in any way. This is not a household where regular beatings are taking place, but this man is mentally overpowering her, and this in turn is affecting her dd. Yes, I know he smacked her and I agree that it?s very wrong, but in this case it was over-discipline, rather than abuse. I don?t want to get into a whole smacking debate as I don?t totally agree with it myself, but MM herself has to lay the law down with this man.
It is a cycle, her own mother is more interested in herself that in her daughter so she?s hardly had the best example set, but how do you break that cycle?
Her excuse is that she loves him, but when I ask her why she says she doesn?t know. She seems to want him to finish it so that the decision isn't hers. I don't understand it.
It?s almost as if she wants to be in this situation, I know that?s not the case but that?s how it seems and I am finding it really really hard to empathise. I am in a very difficult position, stuck not knowing what to do for the best. The decision I have made for the time being is to keep an eye on the situation and be here if she needs me. I have come to realise that being a good friend means that you can?t always make people do what you think is the right thing, you just have to be there to pick up the pieces if things go wrong. I can?t make her do anything, even if we (my family) hired a van, picked up her & her dd & all her stuff, & moved her far away, I can?t guarantee that she won?t call or text him.
Thankyou to all who have shown support and given advice on here, I?m hoping she is coming to see me at the weekend so I might suggest she comes on MN at my house as I can?t speak for her, this is just the situation as I see it.
Sorry this is such a rambling nonsense post.

Blu · 15/09/2006 10:29

mmf - good luck to you both. I honestly think that supporting someone in an abused relationship is a lang-hail journey, but worth it because by constant support, you will help her in the end.

Getting exasperated and abandoning her may well increase the problem by making her feel even more worthless. This goes for MN supporters, too. It's easy to see what is happening from the outside, but the whole point of an abusive relationship is that the victim themselves cannot see the wood for the trees, however loudly people impatiently shriek that it is there! A frustrating conumdrum, but very very real judging by the number of times it has happened.

But people have found the clarity and the courage if they have sustained support. Good luck and strength to you both.

hunkermunker · 15/09/2006 10:31

Oh, MMF What a hard situation you are in.

I wonder what would make her see that she has to get out of this situation?

She has a fucked-up notion of what it's like to be in a relationship that her mother instilled at an early age, it would seem.

But the thing is, she's not being like her mother if her mother only ever thinks of herself first - if MM was truly thinking of herself, she wouldn't put up with this piece of shit man, would she?

I hope she can see that she's wrecking her relationship with her own daughter. I think people who've had fucked up relationships with their own parents ought not to have children really - unless they have a bit of self-awareness and the ability to break the cycle. Just too damaging all round if they do.

Earlybird · 15/09/2006 10:39

MMF - thanks for your post. The frustrating thing is that as long as she doesn't live with him, her way out is far easier. ATM, she's not completely physically committed to the relationship. Based on what is written here, I don't understand why she's making the choice and can only imagine how frustrating it must be to be her friend in RL.

Nothing about what MM is doing makes any sense for her or her daughter. She's standing on the edge of the precipice, and is choosing to jump instead of turning around and walking away. Unfortunately I will probably retire from this thread now as it's too upsetting (even from a distance) to read about someone making the absolutely wrong choice for herself, but especially for her dd.

Good luck and God bless.

Emskilou · 15/09/2006 10:39

I have joined this thread late but have been watching it since it started. MMF this situation is obviously getting you down, and you are being a good friend to mm by being there for her whenever she needs you, however, at what cost?? Sounds like a 1 sided friendship imo and is not doing you any good at all, so I guess what I am trying to say is try to distance yourself from your friends wants/needs ie. nasty vile pig of a man and concentrate on the little girl. I am also in agreement to some extent with cowmad, something has to be done in order to protect that defenceless little girl, getting slapped for the doughnut thing, imo is disgusting bullying at its worst. It has become quite apparant that her needs are being ignored, she needs stability and security and I can't see that she is getting that where she is right now. God forbid it should ever ever happen, but how would you feel should something worse were to happen to the little girl, I am not saying you should go in there full force and take the little girl away from it all but is there anyway that you could talk some sense into her (mm's) parents?? Then maybe some of the pressure could be taken from you? Make them realise that their grandaughter is being unfairly punished for being a child. If I was in the area (not sure where the area is though) I'd help all I could, but I'm afraid I would find it almost impossible to be as understanding as you are, but then again is easier from the outside in, a neutral perspective. I'd still find myself handy with a baseball bat to the bastard.

Not sure if I have waffled bo***s but I'd thought I'd post as I have been following this thread.

divastrop · 15/09/2006 12:10

mmf,what does the little girl's father know of the situation?i only ask cos when i was in similar situation my ds and dd1's father was threatening to go to social services etc.i know she still sees her father and she is old enough to tell him if she is unhappy so im surprised he hasnt done anything.

makemineadouble · 15/09/2006 12:31

MMF I think your good friend and in awfull position

MM you started this thread begging for support and advice then you ignored it !! IF he hits her again or you! please dont come back here looking for understanding

I may back out now as I too am finding this thread upsetting. but may I say that once again I am stunned at the strength support honesty and sound advice woman give What a force we are! pity we cant have 5 mins alone with this bastard and others like him

batters · 15/09/2006 13:20

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

runkid · 15/09/2006 15:28

Moving in with him is the worst thing you can do mm if he has done it once he can do it again it can only get worse. You said early in the post you suffered from depression being bullied every day by this W**R is not going to help.

MMF all i can say is keep an i on that poor little girl shes not old enough to fight her own battles and her well being is paramount !!

Blu · 15/09/2006 17:51

It is really worrying that MM is planning to move in with him - she will be much more under his thumb, and find it even harder to escape when she relaises she neds to.

The facts are that in cases of domestic violence, a man typically hits a woman on 37 occasions before she leaves him.

It isn't because the woman is stupid or likes it, it is because of the huge disabling effect abuse has on it's victim.

But if MM can be encourage to seek support, she may be able to protet her daughter befor her daughter is on the receiving end of 37 separate asaults.

LoveMyGirls · 15/09/2006 18:33

ive been in a similar situation, it is hard to get out especially when people keep telling you to, its something you have to do on your own, although she hasnt been with this man very long and isnt living with him yet i can see it must be hard.

i had to have a years worth of counselling before i found the strength to leave (split up) i wasnt living with him at that point. he was very violent towards me but never to my dd who was 1 at the time, infact he was very loving towards her which was half the reason i stayed as i thought he was the only man who would want to be her "dad" - looking back thats probably what he wanted me to think, he had brainwashed me in every other way, made me think no one else would want me that i was useless, not fit enough to look after my dd on my own (i was suffering PND) etc so i really do understand what mm is going through.

in the end after 1 year of counselling, my mum paid for me to private rent a flat and i started meeting up with old friends keeping it very quiet from him (as i knew he would tell me they were against me and he was the only one i could trust etc) by this time my best friend disowned me, she didnt want to hear it anymore, i had to choose between him and her, it took me 3 months to properly end it after she stopped talking to me, wouldnt reply to texts/ phonecalls etc (it must have been very hard for her to ignore me when i was at my most vunerable) but im glad she did because it gave me the final push i needed to end it.

its been 5 years since that happened and im still best friends with my mate and im grateful for what she did for me even though it hurt me so much at the time.

Tillyboo · 15/09/2006 18:57

MM, if you move in with this man you will never leave. You will be in his domain and have to abide by his rules - 'It's my house, you and your daugher do as I say'
He will feel he has more authority and control than ever, it'll be a disaster.God knows what it'll lead to, your dd will have a miserable, frightening life.
The question of 'Where is the biological father?' has not been answered as far as I can see, unless I've missed it ? So, where is he and why is he not getting involved? A quiet word/ anonymous note may just put a stop to all this.
I remember sitting in a restaurant next too a family where the male figure was obviously a boyfriend and not the father. His behaviour to his girlfriends 2yr old little girl was very upsetting and disturbing. You could see that the woman was terrified of him and the little girl was being verbally bullied, sworn at and man-handled whilst the woman sat head bowed and scared. It was awful to witness and I cannot bear to think another child could be going through this.
Please, please do what is best for you and your dd.

runkid · 15/09/2006 19:14

understand that it may be hard for you to leave as i have been there to and it was me that used to be beaten i left many times and went back because he still made my life a living HELL. But you came on here for help and advice but havent listened to any of it you even said you had grabbed your stuff together. So what happened !!

divastrop · 15/09/2006 19:50

tillyboo,mm did say right at the start(i read this when it was first posted a week ago)that her dd still sees her father every weekend or something

friendofmajormugsfriend · 16/09/2006 09:06

Yes I know this seems really odd, but I am a very good friend of major mugs friend, and know major mug through her. I too am a regular mumsnetter but again have changed my name to protect OP. To prove this I love the MN montage, other regulars are Fullmoonfiend, oliveoil, Lady sherlock, WWW and of course the qeen Bee - Cod, I have followed YG's sad story and the pregnancy/birth threads of Emkana.

Majormugs friend is a fantastic friend and is doing all she can to help. Majormug suffers from depression and low self esteem and seems to me to prefer to be unhappy with a man, than happy without one. Yes majormug needs to leave this man and I will now offer any support I can give as I was unaware it had reached this level

Majormug - you know who I am, I live on the same street as your friend and my ds is the same age as your dd. Call me any time or come and see me. I will send you a text now just in case you still have to MN access. FWIW your ddd is a beautiful, bright, happy girl - don't let this bully destroy that.

runkid · 16/09/2006 10:09

Does she get help wiyh her depression and self esteem. Proffesional help that is because there is plenty of it out there. I feel for that little girl mum with depression and her partner a bully

Cassoulet · 16/09/2006 17:52

Oh boy, this has really kicked off since I last looked at it. I wonder if majormug will ever post on this thread again - I'd be far too scared if I were her.

Why does anyone think that a woman with low/no self-esteem being bullied by a man is going to feel better for being bullied by a women? I know, I've done it too, so I apologise to you majormug.

Majormug, you can see that you have touched a nerve with many people. YOu can also see that there are many women who have been in a similar situation to you. You can also see that there are many women who have, in the end, got out. There is not one person on this thread who has said they were in an abusive/unhappy/unequal relationship and got out who says she wishes she hadn't. Every single person who has been through anything like what you are going through, and has got out, is happier for it. You can know from this that it is possible to do and that you will ultimately be happier. I hope this gives you a little more strength, confidence and belief in yourself. If there is one thing you can take from this thread is that you, too, can do it, and you will not be alone.

We have most of us on this thread given advice to majormug, and it has generally been good advice. One of the most difficult things to do is to give advice and stand by watching it not being taken. However, that is one of things about advice; my gran always said you can give advice freely, but having done so you must step back as it is none of your business whether it is taken. How many of us have been given advice which we have not followed? My point is, it is pointless ranting at majormug for asking for advice and then not taking it. She never said she would, and we have no right to expect her too.

For what it's worth, majormug, I have a friend whose p was an alcoholic bully, but father to her child. It took her nearly 3 years before she got out of the relationship while nearly going round the twist herself (ended up being arrested for threatening him with a kitchen knife). You don't want that to happen to you. A year after she left him she met a great guy and a year after that they were married and are living in bliss. She told me she sees him as her reward for all she went through before. He treats her with respect, care, consideration. He loves her dd and discipline has been discussed and is administered in a way which is acceptable to both of them. This could be you in a couple of years' time. Hold on to that.

Majormug, do you see a way in which you can take some control of the situation you are in? Can you see a time when you and he are equal within the relationship? Can you see a time when you can tell him he is being too harsh and he will listen and change his behaviour? Can you tell him he is being unreasonable?

someone (can't remember who, sorry) said they got the strength to leave their relationship after counselling. I too got the strength to take greater control over my relationship after about a year of counselling. I cannot recommend it strongly enough. Majormug, something needs to change - you know that.

We are all worried about you and the strength and depth of our worry is reflected in these posts.

Even I'm scared of pressing the post button now!