Kaiden/Kayden

[GagCity]

What is it about the name Kaiden/Kayden that people don’t like?

I’ve seen comments like, ‘well at least it’s not Kaiden/Kayden’ or ‘I can’t stand those Kaiden/Kayden/Jaiden names.’ I even saw someone say, ‘all the Kaiden/Jaiden and Mary-Louise act like X in my area.’

I’m just curious really!

@GagCity it just sounds like lower class. Sorry I'm no snob, promise. But could you imagine a barrister or a surgeon called that?

Yes I could because a name doesn’t determine a life of a person? I don’t even understand your question. Will barristers or surgeons only be called ‘Timothy, John’ or whatever else comes to mind.

I literally know a surgeon called Magdy. Came from a working class background and now he does what he loves. Was his name meant to hold him back because BobbyBiscuits says so? Weird

Calling childrens names 'lower class' does make you a snob.

100%

"Timothy" is a name that has been used in books e.g. Enid Blyton, sitcoms and children's TV programmes so it depends on the persons age what they associated the name with and what they believe his parents are like. However it will never be immediately associated with crack addicts nor on the other hand go getters.

If you, yourself think that you don't associated names with behaviour, characteristics, religion, possible country of origin and even the upbringing of people that what do you associate names like "Nelson", "Winston", "Teresa" and "Adolf" with? (This is a rhetorical question.)

However it will never be immediately associated with crack addicts nor on the other hand go getters

When I was in primary school, there was a boy named Matthew who’s parents were drug addicts. His clothes had rips in them, he was never fed and he was never able to have a bath.

There was also a boy named Nathanael who’s mum was a drug addict and he was taken into care in year 4.

There’s a woman who I met at my old workplace and her name was Eleanor. Came from an Upper Class family who was very wealthy and guess what? Heroin addict.

I once met twin boys named Bertie and Ernie. I remember thinking, ‘wow, why would your parents practically name you after that kid’s show?’ I never once thought, ‘wow, you must come from a lower class family’ or ‘wow, your parents are the type to act like zyx.’

It’s one thing to hear a name and not like it for whatever reason. It’s another to hear a name and start judging what family the child comes from. We’re all individuals no? Our name will not decide where we end up un life. Your crazy if you think any different

@GagCity I think what the PP is implying is that Nathaniel, Eleanor, Matthew etc are names that are universally used by every 'class' in the UK. They could belong to anyone from any background as there's really no set association with them at all. So no, I wouldn't assume anything about their families based on those names.

If I met a Kaidyn, on the other hand, yes, I would have a preconceived notion about their background just as I would about any other niche invented name.

It’s one thing to hear a name and not like it for whatever reason. It’s another to hear a name and start judging what family the child comes from. We’re all individuals no? Our name will not decide where we end up un life. Your crazy if you think any different

But people make such assumptions because that is what experience has taught them.

On AVERAGE people named certain names ARE more likely to be disruptive and end up in certain careers than others. It's obviously not the name causing that behaviour, but rather the parenting styles and the upbringing of these children.

No one is saying a name is causation of where a person might end up in life.

They are saying there’s a correlation.

the parenting styles and the upbringing of these children - what this really means is that poor people are more likely to be crap parents and that’s NOT true!

It is true that poverty brings its own challenges but that is a hugely complex issue.

Exactly this
the majority of children on my caseload on a CP plan ,at any one time , will have a chavvy or made up name….often including double and barrelled names…….fact 🤷

But the name Eleanor will never be associated with being a heroin addicts child….just because a randomer on MN was once mates with a crackhead who had a kid called Eleanor 🙄

On AVERAGE people named certain names ARE more likely to be disruptive and end up in certain careers than others.

Yeah, no, sorry. I don’t agree with this at all. People living in certain areas, coming from certain backgrounds, coming from certain social circles all have an impact on someone’s lives. People named certain names aren’t more likely to be disruptive at all.

Maybe I’m not as judgmental as I thought because I’ve never sat there and thought, ‘why are all the Daniel’s you meet, little shits in school?’ ‘Why are all the Jaiden’s rowdy as fuck?’ I honestly do not think like that😂 it’s weird to me that some people do

Thank you. I keep being told about parenting styles and not one person has given me an example of what this parent style apparently is

Your comment is exactly the point that I was making

You aren't making that point though.

The point being made is that certain names are associated with certain backgrounds which in the UK includes class, whether social-economic or more traditional, and ethnicity/skin colour. They are also associated with certain behaviours and characteristics e.g. rowdy, nerdy.

So when your son turns up to say a course interview or a job interview people will be surprised that he's black let alone him being organised, reasonably spoken etc. (I did point out i know a white teen with one of the disapproved MN names.)

When you named your son the name may not have had negative associations at the time, but now unfortunately his name does.

To put it another way how many people are now naming their daughters Isis or Alexa? Why not? Yet there are adults called those names around.

Posters are pussy footing but a couple have indicated disruptive and badly behaved in their classroom with no interest in learning/gaining an education. (You must be aware that an interest in learning or gaining an education primarily comes from the home environment.)

Another poster has indicated that those type of names frequently appear on CP plans.

BTW I have a sister who used to work in a pharmacy and she said heroin addicts come from all walks of life. She was initially surprised by the wide range of people who came to get their methadone.

@Reugny I won’t keep going back and forth as it really isn’t the end of the world. I asked why people on here disliked the name Kaiden and I was given an answer.

When a pp said, But the name Eleanor will never be associated with being a heroin addicts, I said, ‘your comment is exactly the point that I was making.’ A name means nothing. A name doesn’t mean that you’re rich, poor, smart or dumb. The name Eleanor will never be associated with being a heroin addict because people are spending more time caring about a person’s name as opposed to the person’s traits/personality.

Saying a name is associated with ‘chavs’ or is a ‘low end name’ is all good and well but a name doesn’t mean the person will turn out to be a certain way. Next time I have a baby, I’ll call him William or if it’s a girl, Thelma, those names are clearly acceptable

(You must be aware that an interest in learning or gaining an education primarily comes from the home environment.)

Yes but their name doesn’t have anything to do with that oh my gosh! I feel as if I’m speaking to a wall here. Home environment and names do not go hand in hand. Nothing that you say will ever make me think that.

Matthew may be a little shit who’s parents don’t give a fuck about his education whereas Tyrone may have parents that actually care about his life. They make sure he does his homework and all the things that Matthew’s parents don’t.

Thank you for the interesting thread all but I fear this conversation will turn me mad

I was meant to say Tyrell not Tyrone whoops

Saying a name is associated with ‘chavs’ or is a ‘low end name’ is all good and well but a name doesn’t mean the person will turn out to be a certain way.

Of course not. But on average it seems observable that there is a correlation between certain names and certain behaviours/parenting styles. Maybe parents who like such names have a certain parenting values/styles?

And of course there are many exceptions. This thread is about people's first assumptions about someone - of course these may be completely wrong!

Home environment and names do not go hand in hand.

Maybe they actually do?!

No you not getting it OP

eleanor is ok
Kaiden is not ok….never 🙄

It always shocks me that people are so naive to think that just because it’s grossly unfair to pre-judge someone by their name, that that somehow means it doesn’t happen.

I have a name that peaked in the late 1980/ Early 1990s, very working class connotations. I absolutely loathe it, I hate that people make assumptions about my level of education, intelligence and how I conduct myself based off the name they see on an email signature.

And then people saying “Oh well when these kids grow up there will be surgeons and High Court judges also called Trixie and Bear”. No- those professions are statistically more likely to be filled by people who either went to private school or are from a social background which heavily promotes education. They are still much more likely to be called a boring middle class classic or Asian name as opposed to Paisley or Alfie-Lee.

Home environment and names absolutely do go hand in hand.