Kaiden/Kayden

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What is it about the name Kaiden/Kayden that people don’t like?

I’ve seen comments like, ‘well at least it’s not Kaiden/Kayden’ or ‘I can’t stand those Kaiden/Kayden/Jaiden names.’ I even saw someone say, ‘all the Kaiden/Jaiden and Mary-Louise act like X in my area.’

I’m just curious really!

Someone else nailed it on the head earlier in the thread but it's definitely a class thing. The Kayden/ Jayden variation names are favored by the working class and seem to be popular amongst large working class areas and council estates.

It's a name that might sound fresh and new, precisely because it doesn't have any history.
I used to love these kinds of names, and in my experience working with hundreds of children, they are not more likely to be naughty or disruptive.
But the most persistently disruptive are more like to have these names.

It's pure classism. That what people mean when they say things like 'all kaidens I know are naughty'. They mean they are children of working class parents, who aren't raised properly. It's snobbery, classism and bullshit.

It's true that round here kaiden/jayden are popular white working class names but the rest doesn't follow.

Jayden (I didn't know this until quite recently) is actually a Hebrew name (Yaden) but does sound like a lot of 'made up' ones.

I specifically dislike boys' names involving 'ay' such as Jayden, Jay, Ray, Hayden but don't mind the spelling Kaiden and quite like Caden.

That what people mean when they say things like 'all kaidens I know are naughty'. They mean they are children of working class parents, who aren't raised properly. It's snobbery, classism and bullshit.

Why is it bullshit?

What if such parents actually don't value education much, what if they are less focused on teaching good behaviour?

And what if 'such parents' do value education but just like the name Kaiden? Why write off WC parents because they choose different names? Do you think all WC parents don't give a shit about their kids? because that's how your comments are coming across.

There's a (white) Kaiden in my dc school. His mum is also a teacher at the school.
Both parents seem very involved with their dc- lovely parents.

And what if 'such parents' do value education but just like the name Kaiden?

Then that Kaiden will obviously not fall into the category described on this thread.

It's obviously not the name itself that causes disruptive behaviour

I'm in Ireland and I've never understood this "chav" or "low end" thing, I've seen Liam and Aidan being classed as low end on here, I know loads of Liams and Aidans from perfectly normal respectable families, is it a UK thing or just a mumsnet thing?

It's even worse than that which I'm surprised the OP doesn't realise if she says she is black.

While as a child your name can enable teachers to treat you unfavourably when going for jobs your CV/application can end up in a bin.

It's been tested with names like "Mohammed" by researchers plus applicants themselves. There have been people who have taken large companies (thinking of a cable/internet operator as one of them) to Court over it where the company have settled out of Court to hide they discriminate due to names.

It doesn't mean you won't get to places with a name that people think are linked to certain socio-economic classes, religions and/or ethnicities but it will be more difficult.

Incidentally some female authors have had to go by their initials to hide that they were female. If names aren't linked to an image of your capabilities by others in society then why would two Maths teachers who wrote Maths textbooks used by everyone studying Maths from mid-1970s have to hide their first names until the late 1990s?

It's a MN thing.

I also suspect it is where individual posters live in the UK.

Where I am "Liam" and "Aidan" wouldn't be considered low end or chav because there aren't a lot of boys called "Liam" and "Aiden" regardless of what jobs their parents do. Most boys are called things like Tom, Alfie, Alex, Ben, Noah, Oliver, Felix, etc

Even kids whose parents are foreign born/foreign students tend to choose names that are more classical British names for their children even if they are a different religion unless the name is Muhammed. So in my DD's class and previously in her nursery and at her CM, you couldn't guess where any child was from.

It's a very subtle and insidious anti-Irish thing. Often seen on MN sadly, and quite unpleasant.

I'm in Ireland too, but I'm British. I get really annoyed when I see Irish names described on here as being 'naughty boy' names or 'chavvy' names, when in their country of origin they are seen as perfectly normal, respectable names. One of my sons has a similar name and I had to hide a thread about it recently, some of the comments were appalling.

I can't be bothered to go back and quote, but I've seen a couple of examples on this thread - one was associating Aidan and Hayden (both Irish, one a first name, the other a surname, both perfectly fine names) with Jayden, Brayden etc. They are not the same style at all.

I work in NHS admin and there is a child with "Mazin" as middle name and I dread to think that it's come from "amazing"

What a thoroughly ignorant comment. Mazin is an Arabic name.

I am Irish and often see people on here claiming that Ireland doesn’t have the same class issue with names.

I don’t think it’s to the same extent as it is in the U.K., but there’s definitely names that are seen as WC- there’s a whole bit in it in the Ross O’Carroll-Kelly books.

This is a really good point. As a previous poster explained, different social classes (which are still significant in English culture), choose different types of names for their children. This is why it’s unlikely you would have a surgeon/ high court judge called ‘Kaiden’ because the majority of people who become surgeons/ high court judges go to private school, meaning they are likely to have middle-class/ upper-class parents, who wouldn’t call a child ‘Kaiden’.

Likewise, the poster who works in child protection saying that most of the cases she deals with have Kaiden/ Jayden/ Lily-Mae type names. These are names popular among the working class/ lower class, and as poverty is a factor in abuse/ neglect, it follows that she would be dealing with more cases from that social-economic class.

That doesn’t mean that middle class/ upper class people don’t abuse or neglect children, but ‘Hugo’ with drug-using upper class parents is likely to have a nanny or housekeeper to look after him, compared to Jayden with unemployed parents who spend all their money on drugs and let him go hungry and cold. One is likely to come to the attention of social services, the other probably wouldn’t be.

Obviously I’m being very stereotypical here, but you get the point.

Try starting a thread with titles like Shannon, Erin, Sullivan, or, heaven forbode, Murphy.
Irish people are quite capable of snobbery.

I wouldn’t say snobbery, but the idea of having notions or making a naming choice above your station is definitely a thing.

Imagine telling your neighbours in Cavan or Leitrim that you, a plain bog standard Irish person, had called their dc something like Diego or Rupert. Opinions would be had, just behind your back.

I'm sure it was the last name of someone I worked with decades ago.

They weren't Muslim though.

Incidentally the poster who didn't know Mazin is an Arabic name is clearly unaware lots of Arabic names are commonly used in this country for first and middle names.

Just came across a little Irish Céadán, which kind of means "leader" or something and is roughly pronounced Kaydan. It sounds slightly like the word for Wednesday but not really.

I agree entirely, but the difference is Irish names themselves aren't seen as downmarket as they sometimes are on MN. Obviously.
Aidan or Liam or Conor aren't seen as 'naughty boy' names as people say on here.

@SunnyFog The issue people have with names like Murphy or Sullivan is that they're surnames (and very common ones in the other sense of the word). It's like naming your child Smith or Jones so seems silly to many.

Erin or Shannon are still sometimes seen as ex-pat names though Erin has become very popular recently. Colleen is another one that traditionally wouldn't have been used in Ireland but used abroad.
As you know Shannon is the name of Ireland's biggest river, Erin means 'of Ireland' more or less. Colleen means 'girl' in Irish. I wouldn't say it's snobbery for those names to raise eyebrows here. It's unlikely you'd name your children Girl and Smith in England, same sort of thing.

Imagine telling your neighbours in Cavan or Leitrim that you, a plain bog standard Irish person, had called their dc something like Diego or Rupert. Opinions would be had, just behind your back.

Agree with this too @FirstFallopians.
I liked Inigo. Not a hope 😂

Notions!

It is indeed a chavy name. Most "Aiden/ayden" ending seems to fall in one category.

It’s a nice name but it does make me think of Karndean flooring 😂

Thanks for that 😡