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Maybe got it down to 3 girl names

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Sansa87 · 15/04/2021 16:42

We are due in three weeks and have really been struggling with names.

I think we’ve got it down to three names that we both like.

Francesca,
Paige,
Brooke.

Middle name is Vera Jean after grandmothers.

Opinions, (please don’t be too brutal 😂)

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ladygindiva · 18/04/2021 15:15

Francesca is gorgeous and goes with your middle name choices I think. I like the shortening Chess, I know one and I think it's very pretty and cool.

ladygindiva · 18/04/2021 15:18

Fwiw the Francesca I know is about 40 and from the north of England has no Italian family. Noone to my knowledge has ever had a problem with that! Now wondering if Spanish people have an issue with my daughter being called Isabel 🤔

RoseMalone · 18/04/2021 15:25

I don't know ask Greek people. The name Sofia has been used in Italy, Morocco etc for over 100 years so is quite established there
How offensive that over a hundred years ago, Italians stole the name from the Greeks. It was cultural appropriation you know. Wink

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 15:29

@RoseMalone

I don't know ask Greek people. The name Sofia has been used in Italy, Morocco etc for over 100 years so is quite established there How offensive that over a hundred years ago, Italians stole the name from the Greeks. It was cultural appropriation you know. Wink
Ok mock me if you like. All I've done is explain that some Italians might not find it questionable to use that name when you do not have Italian heritage. It's completely up to the OP if she wants to use it. However she should be aware of how some Italians may feel.
RoseMalone · 18/04/2021 15:33

itwillallbeokay Either it's OK for names to be used in more than one country or it's not. Which is it?

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 15:39

@RoseMalone

itwillallbeokay Either it's OK for names to be used in more than one country or it's not. Which is it?
What are you on about? Stop trying to mock me and belittle how myself and a lot of people in my culture feel about Italian names being used. All I've done is make the OP aware.
RoseMalone · 18/04/2021 15:50

You're just dodging the points people are making that show your stance to be illogical. No point engaging with you.

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 15:57

@RoseMalone

You're just dodging the points people are making that show your stance to be illogical. No point engaging with you.
Not dodging anything. Just tired of being mocked and having people tell me that as someone of Italian heritage I am not allowed to feel the way I and a lot other Italians do. As I've said on here before I have no objection to the Op using the name just making her aware of how culturally some people might find it questionable. I've been told I'm wrong on this by non Italians quite a lot on this post so I will accept this and also tell and educate my Italian family and other Italians I know from the information I have learnt on this thread. That's all I can do.
Bl0ndi3 · 18/04/2021 16:39

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ladygindiva · 18/04/2021 16:43

Quick sweep of my immediate family tells me my parents ( both late 70s) have Greek names, mil has an italian name and my brother and my fil have the same Hebrew name. Two of my daughters names have Spanish origins. I could go on. The only heritage we all have is Welsh Scottish and Irish besides English. We must be offending so many.... Hilarious.

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 16:44

[quote Bl0ndi3]@itwillallbeokay I think it's time you gracefully walked away from this argument because quite frankly you're coming across completely idiotic now.

You have contradicted yourself massively and now you're just throwing more nonsensical arguments out to try and support the original ridiculous argument you made and very rudely you have turned this thread into a complete circus.

👋🏻 [/quote]
I have not be rude. To call me idiotic is rude.
All I have done is explain how Italians might feel about the use of the name being used by a non Italian. I have been called several nasty names, mocked and now your post telling me to leave a thread is just blatant bullying.

Bl0ndi3 · 18/04/2021 16:46

🤣🤣🤣

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 16:50

@Bl0ndi3

🤣🤣🤣
Again mocking me..... why the need to do that?
Bl0ndi3 · 18/04/2021 16:52

@itwillallbeokay I'm just stating my own opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️ just like you are or is it only ok for you?

Can't have it both ways! ... just like Sofia being Greek and used in Italy can't be okay if Francesca being Italian and used in UK isn't okay.

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 16:56

[quote Bl0ndi3]@itwillallbeokay I'm just stating my own opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️ just like you are or is it only ok for you?

Can't have it both ways! ... just like Sofia being Greek and used in Italy can't be okay if Francesca being Italian and used in UK isn't okay. [/quote]
You are doing it a nasty way which is why your comment was removed.
Sofia is the Italian way and Arabic way of spelling it.
The spelling of Sophia is more commonly used in Greece and Italy.

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 16:57

And not Italy is what I meant in last sentence.

Bl0ndi3 · 18/04/2021 17:07

@itwillallbeokay You're clutching at straws to maintain your argument that's been proven to be invalid so many times by so many people including people of Italian heritage. I find it quite comical :)

If you as somebody of Italian heritage finds it odd then that's you and only you which is absolutely fine, but don't speak for everybody of Italian heritage. You have no right to assume what they might think or feel, just because you have the same heritage doesn't mean you have the same view on this.

All you've done is make somebody who genuinely loves the name feel uncomfortable about using it and I think that's very rude of you. But hey, that's just me and my opinion.

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 17:15

[quote Bl0ndi3]@itwillallbeokay You're clutching at straws to maintain your argument that's been proven to be invalid so many times by so many people including people of Italian heritage. I find it quite comical :)

If you as somebody of Italian heritage finds it odd then that's you and only you which is absolutely fine, but don't speak for everybody of Italian heritage. You have no right to assume what they might think or feel, just because you have the same heritage doesn't mean you have the same view on this.

All you've done is make somebody who genuinely loves the name feel uncomfortable about using it and I think that's very rude of you. But hey, that's just me and my opinion.

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Who of Italian heritage on this thread has disagreed with what I've said? Show me.
Quite the contrary in fact.
There has been 2 people of Italian heritage that have agreed with me.
Have a look at the thread again.
Also what is this desperate need to 'catch me out'?
If several people from the same culture have expressed a view on how using a name may be seen as questionable then really that should be looked at.

But as I said lots of non Italians have given their views and I accept this and will use these examples to education my Italian side of the family and other Italians that have the same views.

sarahpee · 18/04/2021 17:23

"Who of Italian heritage on this thread has disagreed with what I've said? Show me."

"I am of Sicilian descent and can confirm I’m not offended either"

Friday @ 16:47pm

Last time I checked Sicilian was Italian (albeit an autonomous region)

Bl0ndi3 · 18/04/2021 17:34

@itwillallbeokay At least one person commented to say they didn't find it offensive and they are of Sicilian heritage.

My point is just because you find it offensive doesn't mean all do and to suggest otherwise is just irresponsible because you cannot simply know that and I'd be happy to bet that if you asked every single Italian you wouldn't get a unanimous response. Leave it be, you've stated your opinion why do you have to keep persisting with it.

For what it's worth I went to school with a Francesca, knew her well enough to know she was of German heritage but I really don't see how it matters it's a beautiful name why choose to be offended on behalf of Italy when you could be flattered that we love the name too 🤷🏼‍♀️. Cultural inspiration not appropriation far more positive don't you thinks

Plus I think if the names been being used in this country for well over 30 years to get offended by its use after so long is a little pedantic.

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 17:34

@sarahpee

"Who of Italian heritage on this thread has disagreed with what I've said? Show me."

"I am of Sicilian descent and can confirm I’m not offended either"

Friday @ 16:47pm

Last time I checked Sicilian was Italian (albeit an autonomous region)

Well done. You've 'caught me out'. There is also-other Italian posters on here that have agreed with me. However as I said I am willing to say I'm wrong. I will educate my family about Italian names and we should be accepting and understanding of others that want to use 'our' names.
itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 17:37

[quote Bl0ndi3]@itwillallbeokay At least one person commented to say they didn't find it offensive and they are of Sicilian heritage.

My point is just because you find it offensive doesn't mean all do and to suggest otherwise is just irresponsible because you cannot simply know that and I'd be happy to bet that if you asked every single Italian you wouldn't get a unanimous response. Leave it be, you've stated your opinion why do you have to keep persisting with it.

For what it's worth I went to school with a Francesca, knew her well enough to know she was of German heritage but I really don't see how it matters it's a beautiful name why choose to be offended on behalf of Italy when you could be flattered that we love the name too 🤷🏼‍♀️. Cultural inspiration not appropriation far more positive don't you thinks

Plus I think if the names been being used in this country for well over 30 years to get offended by its use after so long is a little pedantic. [/quote]
Ok you are absolutely right. I feel battered down with the responses and realise now that Francesca is a universal name and culturally Italians should not have an issue with it.
I'm really sorry especially to the Op.
I did not mean to offend. As I said Francesca is a lovely name and you should definitely use it.

Sexnotgender · 18/04/2021 17:38

Love Francesca, would have seriously considered it if my son wasn’t Francis 😂

itwillallbeokay · 18/04/2021 17:38

[quote Bl0ndi3]@itwillallbeokay At least one person commented to say they didn't find it offensive and they are of Sicilian heritage.

My point is just because you find it offensive doesn't mean all do and to suggest otherwise is just irresponsible because you cannot simply know that and I'd be happy to bet that if you asked every single Italian you wouldn't get a unanimous response. Leave it be, you've stated your opinion why do you have to keep persisting with it.

For what it's worth I went to school with a Francesca, knew her well enough to know she was of German heritage but I really don't see how it matters it's a beautiful name why choose to be offended on behalf of Italy when you could be flattered that we love the name too 🤷🏼‍♀️. Cultural inspiration not appropriation far more positive don't you thinks

Plus I think if the names been being used in this country for well over 30 years to get offended by its use after so long is a little pedantic. [/quote]
Also I wasn't trying to be offended on behalf of Italy. I was explaining how some Italians may view it.
I was wrong for this and will definitely never utter this opinion again.

DacwMamYnDwad · 18/04/2021 18:53

@itwillallbeokay, I understand where you are coming from.
I feel the same way about Welsh, Irish or Scottish names being used when there is only a tenuous connection.

Francesca, Isabella and Sophia are now mainstream girls' names in the UK, as are Amelie and Elodie.

Most of the names sound so much nicer in the original language.