How would you pronounce Frances?

[JessicaBearx]

I would pronounce it FrARNces. Is this how most pronounce it or do you pronounces in Fran ces?
Asking because i don't want to pick a name we are pronouncing "wrong". Thanks

They ARE placed differently when one word is Frances and the other word is Frank.

What amazingly regular accent do you have by the way?

We have both a Frank and a Frances in the family. Frank is pronounced 'Frank' as you would expect (with a short 'a' as in bank) and Frances is pronounced Frarn-siz (with a long 'a' - as in barn). N London / borderline cockney accents.

I know someone who pronounced Can't cant. I know someone who pronounces Pasty pahrrsty. I say bath to rhyme with math.
Glass rhymes with pass not parse. Scone 's gone.

Frants. Yes, I;ve heard this. And Prints as in Prints Charles.

Prince and prints are the same to me

They ARE placed differently when one word is Frances and the other word is Frank

They aren't? F-R-A-N (ces) and F-R-A-N(k).

Unless I am missing something?

I think you misunderstood the point, which is why you change SOME names "because its different in your accent" and not others, even though they are almost identical.
So you say Frarnces but not Frarnk

You appear to be personally blaming people for the oddities of the English language. Accents aren't a deliberate choice - you speak how you are raised to speak. Southerners say 'Frarnces' but shorten it to 'Fran' BECAUSE THEY JUST DO. It's not whole sections of the country conspiring to piss you off.

Bold fail, sorry - first half of my post is quoting another poster.

Name changed as this is my name

FRAN-siss. With a short A

I'm from the midlands and this is how we say my name here.

But I spent my school days with teachers pronouncing this with a long A - Frarn-ses' - and where I lived in the 1970s, a long A denoted posh - therefore on starting secondary school and teachers choosing to call me Frarn-sea had the other pupils I didn't know from primary school saying I was 'posh' 'stuck up '. They didn't even know me, it was just how my name sounded. I HATED my name all through secondary school.

A bit older in college I made some friends who were a lot 'posher ' than me and then quite liked my name!!

I'm now known as Fran.

I'm now known as Fran

Not Frahhn then?

They aren't? F-R-A-N (ces) and F-R-A-N(k).

Unless I am missing something?

They are placed differently in that one is followed by a -ces and the other by a -k, resulting in the different pronunciations.

Definitely Fran!

At least I've not noticed anybody pronounce my shortened name as Frahn- but I'm a lot less sensitive nowadays!!

But that isn't being placed differently, that is having other letters place after them? They are both fran sounds?

I'm confused.

But it turns it into a different word. And that word is pronounced differently. Why is that confusing?

I think everyone should examine their own accent for irregularities. That will be an educational and informative way to spend an hour.

I'll be back to test you.

I guess because on the whole we don't change names because of our accents? They aren't like other words?

My accent is non British though so maybe i don't know. My sister name is Julia, which of course British people tend to say like "Jooleeah", until she tells them it is actually You-lia in out language. Then they say You-lia . well most of them do.

Maybe the few who don't believe that names should be different in their own accent? That makes sense I guess, we just thought they were being rude!

But names are like other words.

If I was speaking to someone in my southern accent but randomly pronounced Frances as 'Fran-siss', I would sound like I was taking the piss.

Fran-sis (northern)

If I was speaking to someone in my southern accent but randomly pronounced Frances as 'Fran-siss', I would sound like I was taking the piss

Does that mean you would say Julia with a J?

If I was speaking to someone in my southern accent but randomly pronounced Frances as 'Fran-siss', I would sound like I was taking the piss

Me too. My northern in laws would fall around laughing

The 'Julia' scenario isn't the same. Yulia is the Russian equivalent of Julia - Russian doesn't have a 'J' sound or a letter J in its alphabet, so no, I wouldn't pronounce it with one. It's a different language, not just a different accent.

Not sure how to explain it to people any more clearly. Maybe think of names ending in an 'ie' sound like 'Mandy' or 'Katie'. In some northern accents, like Mancunian, these sound more like 'Mandeh' or 'Kateh'. If I addressed a northern Mandy as 'Mandeh', in my otherwise southern accent, it would be ridiculous and potentially offensive.

If I addressed a northern Mandy as 'Mandeh', in my otherwise southern accent, it would be ridiculous and potentially offensive

Yes!

If I addressed a northern Mandy as 'Mandeh', in my otherwise southern accent, it would be ridiculous and potentially offensive.

Depending on the Mandy in question you might get a biff on the nose!