How would you pronounce Frances?

[JessicaBearx]

I would pronounce it FrARNces. Is this how most pronounce it or do you pronounces in Fran ces?
Asking because i don't want to pick a name we are pronouncing "wrong". Thanks

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Not always Molly. Lots of wc northerners say plarster. Always found it a bit odd myself.
We say bath, path, glass etc short A.

Frarnsis

Frahnses

I'd spell it this way too to ensure it would be pronounced such

Those who say Frarnces - do you say Sarm, Brard, Carthy?

How do you say tear and tear?

Shock news! In English, words that look the same aren't always pronounced the same!

With a short A - Glaswegian here. If you wanted it said with the long A up here you'd probably have to call her Fraunces...

Because they have different meanings SoupDragon.

As do Sam and Francis.

Nope.

Ah. You're just being deliberately obtuse for the "fun" of it.

No!

Of course not. Are you?

Well, you seem to think that Sam and Francis mean the same and should be pronounced the same and you really can't understand the concept of accents so yes, I'd say you are being deliberately obtuse.

Some people only appear to have met the English language yesterday............

Welcome. It's fun, but you're in for a bumpy ride!

Sam and Francis are different names but both have a short a. That is why I asked if you pronounce Sam as Sarm. Which obviously you don't?

"Those who say Frarnces - do you say Sarm, Brard, Carthy?"

No of course not. As you well know. Don't say "math(s)" the same as "bath" either. Or "can" and the three letters at the beginning of "can't".

Surely you've heard people with a southern English accent before?!

Or "mass" the same as "grass"

No, because the 'e' at the end of the consonant cluster 'nc' is what changes the reading of the 'a' from a short to long vowel. France is the same as dance, stance, enhance, trance, glance - in SE accents they all have a long vowel. It is not Fran- sis, it is France -is.

Yes indeed flowery. So why pronounce Francis with a long a but not Sam?

"Sam and Francis are different names but both have a short a."

In your accent they might. But there are plenty of accents where Francis has a long a. Open your mind and accept that people speak differently and are not wrong because they don't speak like you!

"So why pronounce Francis with a long a but not Sam?"

Because in my accent that is how it is pronounced! Same as bath has a long a, and grass, but mass and math do not!

FrANses

Not FrARN ses

Probably an accent thing but I've never heard FRARN ses with such an emphasis on ARN even though lived in London & south

You're on a hiding to nothing trying to argue that pronunciation in English should be logical and consistent. It just isn't!

But why don't you use the long a in Sam if you use it in Francis with a southern accent?

I don't know! I didn't invent the SE accent. That's just the way it is!