How would you pronounce Frances?

[JessicaBearx]

I would pronounce it FrARNces. Is this how most pronounce it or do you pronounces in Fran ces?
Asking because i don't want to pick a name we are pronouncing "wrong". Thanks

"Of course Banana rhymes with Hannah."

"Of course"? Another person sans television, ears and imagination I see...

We call my friend Hannah-Banana. Always have
If I called friend Hannah that she'd look at me in a very confused manner as it doesn't rhyme at all in our accent.

I call my friend Harnar-Barnarnar. Always have..

@flowery - what does your sarcastic comment mean?

PS I don't actually have a television if that makes any difference

MrsBakedBean,
in many UK accents banana is not pronounced to rhyme with Hannah, even in those accents which pronounce bath and grass with a short A, because in many (most?) Uk accents banana has a long A in the middle

Banahna

I think you may need to read the whole thread, as this has been discussed at some length

I'd say Frahn Sis

But I'd pronounce Fran with a short vowel like apple

" @flowery - what does your sarcastic comment mean?*

PS I don't actually have a television if that makes any difference"

It means that is the only explanation I can think of for someone thinking that the way they pronounce something is so obviously the only correct way of doing it that they put "of course"- as if anyone who pronounces it differently is clearly wrong.

Given the prevalence of SE accents in our media in this country, one would have to never look at a television not to be aware that people elsewhere speak differently.

Well, I have ventured a few places but still dont get why you'd shove a random r into words that dont need it.

I obv dont watch enough TV 😊

"Well, I have ventured a few places but still dont get why you'd shove a random r into words that dont need it."

Wow. Never heard anyone with a SE/RP accent? That's quite an achievement. No "shoving random r's" involved in speaking this way- as I said earlier for the benefit of those who have led such a sheltered existence as not to have noticed, "ar" and "ah" sound exactly alike in non-rhotic accents. So it's not shoving random r's, it's accurately depicting how the word is said by half the population.

Fran - sis

God, the ignorance of some people. This thread is starting to piss me off now.

Well, I have ventured a few places but still dont get why you'd shove a random r into words that dont need it.

Clearly you haven't ventured south of the Watford Gap

"Of course"? Another person sans television, ears and imagination I see

That's a bit rude, considering its a response to someone saying Hannah couldn't possibly rhyme with Banana in any accent. You didn't shout at them, did you?

Didn't see that comment but there's certainly nothing in the post I quoted indicating that it was a sarcastic response to that. I took it at face value and responded accordingly.

someone saying Hannah couldn't possibly rhyme with Banana in any accent.

except no-one said that.

What they said (and it was me, so what I said) was

accents change how you say names. My American friend says Hannah to rhyme with banana, whereas as Uk accents, even the ones who use a short A for bath and grass say banana with a long A.

I was immediately corrected by a Scottish speaker, and immediately apologised and corrected it to MOST/MANY UK accents.

But as the original point was that accents can change how you pronounce names/words, which was in response to someone saying you should only pronounce names according to how the person with that name wants it to be said, not according to your accent, the original point still stands, and was not a dig at any speaker of any accent.

I am really tired of people commenting without reading the thread, or commenting out of context.

My post was SUPPORTING people of many different accents saying things in different ways so why would flowery criticise that?

Except they did say exactly that

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen Thu 13-Jul-17 19:32:03
They don't for anyone,how can they unless they say Han ahn ah?

I am really tired of people commenting without reading the thread, or commenting out of context

are you? perhaps you should be careful then before you make such comments

If anyone still doubts how later sounds can affect an earlier sound in a word (Fran-k v Fran-ce), the easiest example is goose/geese.

Just say the g of goose and then try the g of geese. Your mouth makes a different shape as it anticipates the vowel.

Agree with southern pps about sounding like a twat regardless of how one tries to pronounce Newcastle, Lancaster or Doncaster.

sigh

bangs head against desk

Oh and you'll find that "ah" and "ar" aren't identical in southern accents because we do rhoticise r when there's a following consonant. See eg "bore" to "boring".

FOLLOWING VOWEL.

Fuck this shit.

Yes we rhoticise when a vowel comes after, but that's got nothing to do with trying to explain why southerners are saying they pronounce Frances with an AR sound has it? In the word in question, ar and ah are interchangeable.

Bore and boring don't have an ah or ar sound anyway? Odd example.

I'm from the North but live in the South. So although I'm used to hearing the long ah it wouldn't have occurred to me that it would be anything but Fran-ces. I'm afraid that even if you introduced yourself as Frahn-ces I still wouldn't pronounce it that way. Which is weird, when you think about it, as I'd obviously pronounce Sara or Ralph or whatever in whichever way the person introduced themselves used it. I think that's the difference between an accent changing the way a name is pronounced and there being two versions of a name.

Banana rhymes with Hannah down here in the SW. We would also say Fran-ces as the short a is the norm. It is rather annoying to hear people saying southern accent when they mean SE. In the SW we have much more in common with the north as we say grass, path, bath etc and not grahss, pahth and bahth. Normally it is only emmets that use a long a down here, not the locals.

bangs head against desk

you're not serious> you complain about people not reading then you rant about how no-one said X even though they did and you missed it, and then you get irritable about people pointing out your mistake?