In Scotland Wales and Ireland (UK bit)

[JazzAnnNonMouse]

Is it more common to have a very scottish Welsh Irish name or a more English easily pronouncible one in a say a class of kids?
Does this depend on areas eg close to borders are more anglicised? Or just those with english connections (family possible moves etc)
There are so many names that are so beautiful that I'd never heard of before reading them on here but theyre almost never pronounced how I expected

at traditional route.

treaclesoda

Seeing as it's their excuse in ardoyne I thought I'd throw it in there......

I'd better stop though or well have framer signing up to mumsnet to 'teach' us some kultur while going red in the face from all the screaming at us heathens 😃😂

Frazer not farmer 😮

I'm from a N Ireland unionist background (although thankfully my father was never in the Orange or anything like that) and even I find it all a bit intimidating.

treaclesoda

Most people, especially those in NI, chose to ignore the fact that unionist does not mean OO and OO does not automatically mean unionist. Most of the unionists I know are actually embarrassed by the antics in and around the 12th.

Tissue sad really because if the bigots from both sides were eliminated then there would be no conflict

Orange March in Benidorm???

To be fair, that Benidorm thing doesn't look like any Orange Walk I've ever seen. I'd put a fair amount of money on it not being official, and it being some idiots who have taken their flutes and bigotry on holiday with them.

You do have to question the mentality though of someone who packs a Red Hand flag and a flute for a fortnight in SPain though.

LunaLoveg00d

It's official all right

unfortunately

FFS.

Benidorm is not the sort of place i'd EVER consider for a holiday, and this has just confirmed it.

I suppose the one positive you can take from it is that there are fewer bigots in Scotland/N Ireland if some of htem have pissed off to Benidorm.

Luna

Apparently it's been going since 2005 and they are fined every year for it by the Spanish police.

Load of louts that aren't wanted in Ireland or Scotland is what they are. Wannabe hard men ffs 🙄

Going back to the origins of the various dialects and, I suppose by default, accents there is an interesting article on BBC today about how even great actors struggle with a N Ireland accent here

By which I mean struggle to master the accent, not struggle if they already have it

It is a really hard accent to try and do. In general when people 'do' an Irish accent they do the sing song oh to be sure to be sure thing. The NI accent is v different and I don't think many people attempt it as much.

Thank you for telling me about the orange thing. (Any idea as to why it's orange? )
I'm going to Google it tonight when I've got time to read more about it. I also don't know enough about the penal system thing.

I love languages and trends/what influences how a set of people change.

I'd also only heard the term black Irish in passing and assumed that it was a literal description ie someone who was black and Irish...!

Yeh i had thought black irish meant people who lookedd more spanish than irish.
i hadnt known that the americans actually formalised their discrimination!

Orange is from William of Orange.

After their No. 1 pin up boy William of Orange.

OK going to read more about that!

FrancisCrawford

I've been here 20 years and when people ask me where I'm from and I tell them I'm Irish their next question is "Dublin or Belfast?" When I say the 6 counties they hold no qualms in asking "What foot do you kick with"

Tonne of Ranger s pubs in Benidorm doesn't surprise me there is an orange walk my dad goes to the pubs

I've never heard of any of those things!

What does the foot thing mean?

Left footer means Roman Catholic it's. A sectarian term

Right footer means Protestant (unionist)