In Scotland Wales and Ireland (UK bit)

[JazzAnnNonMouse]

Is it more common to have a very scottish Welsh Irish name or a more English easily pronouncible one in a say a class of kids?
Does this depend on areas eg close to borders are more anglicised? Or just those with english connections (family possible moves etc)
There are so many names that are so beautiful that I'd never heard of before reading them on here but theyre almost never pronounced how I expected

Francis here to kick with the left foot means being a Protestant. I imagine it is whichever is the more unusual where you are like being left footed is less common.

Ooops DH just corrected me it is kicks with the other foot. I make a useless bigot I can even get the terminology correct. Soz about that.

Stevefromstevenage

I make a useless bigot I can even get the terminology correct.

You'd be at home in the OO Steve

Cannot, I cannot get the terminology right jeez its late.

Stevefromstevenage

I didn't even notice that mistake........it is late

Francis, there was I trying to be offensive

As opposed to " playing for the other team " which means something totally different

Themuns is a term of the used to describe catholics by the brightest of the bunch within the Orange Order. But it doesn't take long for the F word to be bandied about. Or worse still the T word 😒

F word and t word?

So was it of you were protestant you wanted to be part of the UK and if you're catholic you wanted to be separate?

Is it the case then that most protestants live in northern iremand and most catholics live in the other part?
What about if you're neither?

Fenians and Taigues I am guessing but bigotry is not my strong suit.

JazzAnnNonMouse

Fenian and Taigs, derogatory terms used for catholics.

You see this is where it gets interesting/difficult/unique not all protestants want to remain in the UK and not all catholics want a united ireland.

Northern Ireland was created in such a way as to have the most sqf area but keeping unionists, therefore at that time protestants, as the highest possibile percentage. That is why only 6 of ulster's 9 counties are in the UK.

In the Republic yes catholics would be the majority but in Ireland as a whole there is a growing anti church sentiment. There was a time when if you were Catholic you went to a Catholic school and protestants went to protestant schools but now there are integrated schools where religion isn't given all that much importance.

Not giving religion much importance sounds ideal to me

Do you know if those words have a translation or a meaning behind them?

JazzAnnNonMouse I was one of the first posters on your thread and gave you a bit of a wtf - I was reading the thread yesterday and thought maybe I was a bit defensive, arsey. But have you not googled anything since yesterday?

You're now asking posters to explain words that are classified as hate speech, there's loads of political situations in the world that I wouldn't be sure that I knew about but I'm not sure I'd start a thread on a forum that people from there frequently use without spending 5 mins on the internet making sure I didn't unintentionally "say" the wrong thing. Its either ignorance or arrogance to do otherwise.

As a Catholic from the South- Kerry. Ive never heard Fenian used as a derogatory term, around here it's used to say someone (or maybe their family) had republican leanings but not in a derogatory way.

My first thought from the T word was a Tan- which is a derogatory term used for someone who is British

Fenian and Taig are usually considered terms of abuse if they're used by 'outsiders', but were sort of reclaimed as self descriptions when I was at school eleventy million years ago

My reason behind asking actual people was i though it better to to hear it from the people that it effects rather than google throwing up something that might not actually be the way people who live there feel/think.
Eg there are lots and lots of 'facts' on black lives matter campaign but actually talking to black people about it often shows different views/interpretations.

As above someone has already said that in the area they grew up in the word had a different meaning to someone else. Had I Googled it that probably wouldn't have been the case.

Oh ok - I'm in my 40s, - I was called a dirty Taig, a Fenian slut a lot in the 70s and 80s usually when I was in my school uniform, lots of the how do you say "h"? questions when I got older (into post primary education). I still see Taigs out/no Taigs graffitied onto new housing developments and on eleventh night bonfires. I have worked in places where several conversations have been had in the staff room along the lines of fucking Fenians get everything, can't trust them, they're trying to breed us out. My parents didn't give us Irish names because they didn't want us to be identified by our religion from the get go. I live in the UK bit. Hope that helps.

How do you say 'h'? Is that an accent variation?

Sorry to hear that you were called those things and treated like that. Would that kind of thing be unusual now like racist language eg 'n' word is now? It's interesting that someone mentioned the words had been reclaimed much like the n word I guess?

How do you feel now about Irish names? Would you/did you use Irish names for your children ?

Fenian was a republican Irish movement and Taig I presume come from the name Tadhg pronounced in a similar manner which is the Irish for Tim/Timothy.

How do I say "h?" You know what I'm going to say to you now don't you? - Google it . I say haitch not aitch. No I didn't give my kids Irish names - tbh I just preferred other names and I have daughters and I found a lot of the girls names a bit dated just because I knew millions of Ciara's, Sineads, Grainnes, Meabhs. I prefer the boys names.