In Scotland Wales and Ireland (UK bit)

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Is it more common to have a very scottish Welsh Irish name or a more English easily pronouncible one in a say a class of kids?
Does this depend on areas eg close to borders are more anglicised? Or just those with english connections (family possible moves etc)
There are so many names that are so beautiful that I'd never heard of before reading them on here but theyre almost never pronounced how I expected

Apologies autocorrect has gone mad on that last post "S Irish" was meant to be "Scottish"

I know the difference between Eire and Northern Ireland

Presumably you also know that Eire is a very outdated term and almost guaranteed to raise hackles...

Maud I apologise.

I'm from NI and I would call the island of Ireland "Ireland" in passing conversation. I consider myself Irish first, not "Northern Irish" or an Ulsterwoman or British (though I am all of those things). I would be a bit upset if someone told me I wasn't allowed to identify as "Irish" because I am from NI and not ROI.

I think spindel has hit the nail on the head when they said it is a complex political / sociological question. Some people in NI still refer to NI as "occupied Eire" or "the North of Ireland".

Ah don't worry Eigg

Irish people never use Éire in my experience. I always associate it with a 1940s BBC newsreader-style voice.

X post francis!

Maud every day is a school day on MN.

Maud, what you've said about the name simply isn't true, I hate that it is constantly stated on here as fact. The constitution states that the name of the state, in English, is Ireland. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
While the Republic of Ireland is a description of the state it is not the name.

Back to the original question - we live in West Wales and speak Welsh as a first language. My DC are educated in Welsh medium schools. The majority of their friends have Welsh names, as do they.

Names common amongst their friends include:
Rhys
Aled
Iestyn
Steffan
Owain
Tomos
Llyr
Sion
Ifan
Ioan
Gruff
Rhodri
Carys
Carys
Catrin
Tirion
Mari
Gwenno
Elin
Fflur
Haf
Seren
Sian
Lleucu
Elan

One Carys should have said Cerys but was autocorrected

The constitution is a political document, not the word of God.

I happen to think that article should have been amended in 1998 along with Arts 2 & 3.

Using Ireland to refer to the Republic of Ireland is pretty common, but can be viewed as partitionist.

The constitution is law, whether you agree with it or not Ireland is the correct name of the state.

If you choose to call it another that's up to you, but you shouldn't tell people that that is the name of the country when it simply isn't.

Yes a mhúinteoir

The constitution is law - presumably you also agree that the common good cannot be achieved without a woman's life in the home?

I know Olwens and Bethans with no Welsh connection. Also Evans, Ewans (though that's Scottish I know).

I'm in the non UK bit of Ireland, don't worry, I knew you'd get a rap on the knuckles for that.

I think any name Welsh, Irish, Scottish should be fair game anywhere in the Uk. After all the distances between the countries are minute when you think of say America and how vast it is, and how to them 150 miles is down the road culturally. And we're like, ooh can I call her Bethan when I live in Herefordshire?

I was born in Wales to English and Welsh parents and I have an Italian/German first name and Welsh middle name If that helps. But I do reiterate what others are saying - you need to know these things, yes it should be taught in schools and no it's not been a compulsory - possibly ever - in UK schools, probably for political reasons more than anything else. Choose a name you like regardless of where you live.

Not a clue what you are on about i wanted to by pass thread but its bugging me what you want to know anybody enlighten me?

Im scottish with a french origin name Dds have a french and a biblical name . Names are not localised but you will get lots of Welsh names in wales Scottish names in Scotland and depending anglasised (sp) and irish names in Northern ireland

Just FWIW Elspeth is not the Gaelic version of Elizabeth. That is Elasaid.

Iain is the Gelic version of John.

Seamas is the Gaelic version of James. Hamish is the vocative case - used only when addressing a person directly.

re Iain - should be Gaelic, obvs. Sorry for bad typing.

If you have a look at the 'top 100' names in Scotland/England/Wales/NI you'll be able to see what the common choices are. I'm in Scotland and my son has a Scottish middle name and there are a lot of Scottish names around but nothing unusual eg Isla, Alasdair, Lewis, Harris that kind of thing.

'I can never remember whether it's northern ireland or southern Ireland which comes under UK - Irish history is something I was never taught at school'

Blows my mind that some British adults don't know this!