opinions on our chosen name: Heavenly Joy

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Just want to run it past a few strangers

Well X-post, clearly I missed that comment...

Eminado, I wasn't attempting to speak for any other poster, just giving my opinion and politely engaging in debate.

You are completely entitled to disagree.

" just giving my opinion and politely engaging in debate. "

Have I been rude to you, or anyone, Hariasa?

I said I found some comments on the thread rude, racist or both.

You referenced my name in your response. I responded.

I gave an example of what I meant.
What are you debating?
As a person with the heritage being referenced in some of the posts, I am stating that some of the comments were out of order.

And I wasn't the only one.

Haven't RTFT but ugh how twee.

I don't know why you would burden your child with such a name!

Joy is lovely.

Revolting! Still, a friend of mine once met a high-flying academic called Heaven, which I think is even stranger. Better than that nauseating "Nevaeh" trend from a few years ago (if that wasn't an urban legend).

I'm roaring at someone shouting "heavenly" as they orgasm

Eninado we seem to have got off on the wrong foot.

I'm not angry with you (or anyone), I didn't mean to single you out, I was responding to you that's all.
I don't think you were rude not mean to imply that you were.
I'm happy for you to disagree with me.
I acknowledge that you have a right to be annoyed by comment of this thread.

I apologise if I have upset you, it was unintentional.

I'll take myself off now

Celeste and Joy are both fine.

Nobody wants to be called Heavenly!

Heather instead of Heavenly?

What are you defending? The 2 are not mutually exclusive.

I wasn't trying to 'defend' anything; I was saying that the OP asked for comments and some of them are that the name is awful.

I will clarify for you, it is fine to say you think it is an awful name because it is twee but it is not OK to say it is an awful name because it is used by certain cultures.

Individually I think you'd get away with either name on its own. Together - I would, like a lot of PPs, assume the parents were very religious. Depends if you're ok with that or not I suppose!
For me the problem lies in the fact that Heavenly is an adjective - it's hard to get to grips with it as a name when it just sounds like you're describing whatever comes after it! Would be like me being called Awesome GlenCoco. And I think it rules out a LOT of middle names for that reason.
However, if you love it, go for it. It's not the worst name out there IMO, not by a long shot. It definitely makes a difference that you're in London too. Her teachers will have heard weirder!
I'm currently pregnant with a boy and we haven't told a soul his name as we know people won't be hugely keen. But we like it, so we're just waiting til he's born and then no one can say anything! Think hard about it, but if you really truly love it, don't let people put you off.

AllPizza -
I am aware that the OP asked for comments - what makes you think I am not?
And you keep going on about the "twee" comment - I never quoted it.

Also, you know very well that "twee" is not the worst of the comments that were posted, so stop being disingenuous.

Hariasa
thanks for your apology, I appreciate it although I honestly wasn't angry or upset with you.
I was just surprised that people hadn't read back over their comments and thought that some of them were overstepping the mark, that is all. That's why I said "casual racism" because it all seemed very offhand, without any thought given to the stereotypes that were being perpetuated etc.

(Loud music playing, young adults party, typical guy walks up to girl scene and starts chatting)

Guy- I'm Stu by the way.

Girl - I'm heavenly.

My HV name is Memory and I knew a woman called Immaculate once nn Immac

Lisa is your HV from
Zim?

I think you could have a Heavenly. Or a Joy. But having both together is setting your daughter up for teasing.

Not sure!

Totally agree jemappelle. That would be the thing which would put me off, not for the record "...as it sounds Afro Caribbean" .

Thankfully the vast majority of posts on here have nothing to do with race. I don't think it sounds like it comes from any particular culture - that was the point I was trying to make up thread. I've never heard of Heavenly as a name and I get around! I don't like it very much myself, but that's not to say the OP can't use it. Just my personal taste.

Lol at all the anxious posting but I bloody love it OP and your little girl may well grow up to enjoy introducing herself as Heavenly, Heavenly Joy - what a cracking unusual name.

I popped back to say that it's rare that I see a names thread on here where I think oooh, hadn't thought of that and I really like it. Normally it's a long line of the same bloody names that everyone seems to be going for atm.

It is just plain silly - unless it is part of your culture and community and she will be happily accepted with such a name then don't do it. It is not right to give a child a name that will expose her to ridicule from her peers. Children can be very cruel. If you care about her, then now is the moment to change your mind.

why would a Nigerian child not get ridiculed but a non-Nigerian child get ridiculed, the other children won't know that it's part of anyone's culture. DD is at school with children with all kinds of names, some from other cultures, some just made-up. She doesn't know the difference, or care. To a child the first time they hear the name Claire is no different to the first time they hear Heavenly. The difference is the adults. If children hear their adults sneering then they'll learn that names are to be sneered at. A child that ridicules another for their name is a bully. Why is this kind of bullying acceptable on MN?

Heavenly is a bit twee and could cause a few snickers if she's having a tantrum in the High Street.

Not sure about the Eden comparison? Eden is actually a name.

I also don't understand the "terrible unless you're west African*" comments - a horrible name is horrible no matter where you are. I used to teach a peculiar. Horrible name, obviously worse in English than their language but it was horrible, not "horrible but ok for them"

• Africans are not Afro Caribbean btw

Claudia is popular in Germany and is pronounced "Cloudier" there - even though I know it's discussed way back in the thread.

No one will bat an eyelid in London tbh, just don't ever move

Buckinbronco,

Not sure I agree with that. It might well be trickier for a child with no Scottish link to carry off Angus or one with no Italian ones to do the same with Giovanni. Both very nice names (as is Heavenly).