Jayden

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Finding it really hard to pick a boys name, I've got a little boy called Louie and thinking of Jayden for this one could be shortend to J or middle name will be Joseph as that's my dads name so Jayden Joseph could also be JJ. Honest opinions please :)

Well maybe that's a partial explanation. I have met very very few under-18s called Sarah John Peter etc in the last 15 years (London). Maybe five or six in total with that type of name.

Having a name doesn't automatically mean your parents will neglect you, will harm you or mean for any reason that you will end up in care and its so fucking dumb to think that.

I agree with that which is why I have never said that and never implied/imputed/inferred it.

And that's why I have assumed you are angry. Because you over and over and over again accuse me of the same awful things, use language like 'snobby fucker' and say I am 'very hard' to believe.

If I was wrong to assume any kind of anger or even irritation in those posts, I do apologise.

But you can see why I might have thought that.

Fid, I suspect it is regional. I was in London from 1991 - 1998 then Cambridge, then Australia then back to London and now South West. I have never lived in Midlands or North, but I grew up in the Midlands and every other girl in my class was called Sarah. You just don't see that now - or at least I don't.

Having one of these so-called 'chav' names does not mean you will be taken into care or not get a job or not be a success in life.
There will be many people called Jayden who go on to do well in life.

Names are an INDICATOR of other things. There is a correlation, but name is not the cause. So people with certain types of name are more likely to be in care, to perform less well at school and to be less represented in the professions. It is not because of their names, but because there is a correlation between socio economic group and those in care, those doing less well at school and those less well represented in the professions. It is a link between poverty and outcomes in life, not names. However, as has been said lots of times, names are also indicators of socio economic group, which is why you get more and less of certain names represented amongst high and low achievers etc.

Again, I emphasise that there will be people who do well and don't do well of all name types. Hence people here keep referring to Doctor Tracey or themselves with a chavvy blame and 3 degrees. No doubt there will be people with neutral and posh names who have been taken into care, even if Spero has not encountered them herself. However I bet they are fewer in number. No one is saying a name damns or makes a child.....however when looked at on a larger scale, there is a correlation between name and success in life.
It is a sense of snobbery that makes people say 'I could never call my boy Jayden' and an attempt to distance oneself from perceptions of what Jayden might be like. However, these perceptions are widespread in society and acknowledging they exist is not wrong, nor is choosing to avoid them for your own child wrong, or choosing to use them.

Sorry Derek, substitute 'snobby fucker' for 'dick'. I think my point still stands. At the very least you have appeared at least irritated for many pages now.

And yes, the people to whom I have been introduced by name and who are under 40 have not been called Sarah, Elizabeth, etc, etc. It is possible I have passed young people on the street with those names.

Having one of these so-called 'chav' names does not mean you will be taken into care or not get a job or not be a success in life.

And no one has ever said this on this thread. Although apparently I have 'implied it'.

But as I think I am entitled to decide my own thoughts, I reject that accusation absolutely.

*deadwitchproject , anyone who judges someone purely on their name is a twat.

How anyone can deny that is beyond me.*

And again, everyone on this thread probably agrees with that. I certainly do.

Again, pointing out that something happens is not the same as agreeing with it.

and btw as far as I recall Daniel was NOT in care. Which was very sad for him. He was murdered in his own home by his mother and stepfather.

usual - I don't think anyone disagrees.

But when choosing to name our child we must recognise that these attitudes do exist.

If I knew the terror threat was high I would steer clear of central London at the weekend. That wouldn't make me a supporter of terrorism.

Don't you see the difference usual?

eatshitderek I'm a child of the 70s too and there were 7 girls called Sarah in my year. I always associate Sarah with my age group. I also don't know a Sarah under 40 (there are many of us out there, it's not that hard to believe).

I was asked to explain why I thought certain names had certain connotations. I answered using my experience. I don't understand why this is 'low'.

Sorry, this may be a deficiency in my own understanding, but as no one has been able to explain in 22 pages now, I will remain deficient.

If you are not angry or irritated, I am sorry I accused you of either and withdraw that accusation.

You might view people who judge on name as twats.
It is a form of prejudice without a doubt. However, it is very real and the name you give your child can be a help of a hinderance to them, whether other people are twats or not.
It is worth remembering that the response to names can be similar with upper class names too. Whilst people can be prejudiced against Jaydens they can also be preducided against Tarquin, Tristan and Piers.
Whether we realise we build a picture of people based on name or not, we all do it to a certain extent. That isn't about to change.
Prejudice exists about people's weight, age, sexual orientation, skin colour and religion. We have no control over any of these things for our children. We do name them though.

no, usual you're wrong. No where did I say that I judge someone on their name (if you knew my real name....).
I said that I agree there are certain connotations with the name Jayden/Jaden.

So it's Ok to call someone a twat but not a chav.

The names we choose are the way we announce our 'tribe' to the world, or the tribe we aspire to for our children.

Many people are working class and proud to be part of that tribe and choose a name to announce it. Others choose a name to deliberately say they are not working class. Perhaps they pick what they consider to be middle class or upper class. It is their perception of names, rather than much else.
Names are like clothes in many ways. People choose to wear what fits in with their social group, to send a message to the world. We know we shouldn't judge based on what people wear, but we are very aware that we are judged on it ourselves and want to project a certain image. The names we give our children is just an extension of this.