Talk : Antenatal support thread for women who have chosen to terminate V

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Welcome to the 5th thread.

An amazing day to begin a new journey together. The thread babies are arriving and we take this as a positive nod from the great karma controller - whoever and whatever that may be.

Good luck to our thread, to the souls who read, those who post, those who drop in to learn and hold hands.

Our cyber bench is a supportive place, we sit outside hospitals as strong but scared women go to ride their wave. We huddle in our cottage when the weather is bleak, stormy or biting cold.

When the sun shines on us we share stories of real life, gain strength and giggle together in times of warm weather.

Oooo i hope she's got a stripy top and a kinky beret on! .....hopefully not a string of onions though.....
Congrats Gina!!! i shall be thinking of you and i think staying relaxed and just enjoying the pg is defo the right way to go.
Thanks cantdo i spoke to a friend of mine who said she had metallic taste when pg with her oldest girl, i haven't had it again but am finding it v-hard to sleep on my front atm something i had when pg with both DS1 and Liam; thought it was nothing on 1st night but had it again last night.
Allways i'm glad u feel ready for another pregnancy wishing u lots of luck and sending general good baby vibes your way! it's good the consultant said that he thinks u will be ok next time round he wouldn't say that unless pretty bloody certain, Like u my consultant also said he thought given my age and the fact that we already had DS1 i would have a healthy pregnancy next time around....although he may be seeing me again sooner then he thought i hate the 2ww! allways when can u test? XxX

Oh Gina, what lovely, happy news news. Gina, that rollercoster sounds scary and lovely all at the same time.

Well my period is due on Tuesday. I've never been pregnant naturally in over 7 years ttc. Its a long shot, but stranger things have happend and we're hopeful that my fertility is improved having been pregnant recently. if my period does arrive, it means the start of another ivf cycle.

Thanks ladies, its fantastic but scary at teh same time! DP is more worried than I am at the moment. I am dreading the scans though... We were both surprised how quickly I conceived!

Dramamama I tested 5 days before AF and it came up with a faint positive then tested every day after that just to make sure!!!!

Allways I will be thinking about you!

Gina what wonderful news, I so hope that everything goes well with this pregnancy. You must be feeling very nervous, I hope you have no cause to be!

Hi Cant, thanks for thinking of me. Work has been very tough and to be honest I feel quite drained from having to put on a brave face all the time. The lady I work with was saying that her trousers are uncomfortable today, I would love to still be in that position . I too am off this weekend, am going back to the UK to visit my dad and brother. It'll be the first time since I was back for my mums funeral so I'm dreading walking into the house to the deafening silence iykwim. Can't believe she won't be there. Am still getting upset when I come out of work each day, and the first person I want to speak to is her - it makes it even more difficult for me to pull myself together.
Re ttc, I haven't yet had AF and am getting increasingly worried - has been 7 weeks today since the delivery, and there's nothing going on. Is this normal do you think? I am desperate to be pregnant again, so am doing everything I can to improve any chances. I don't think I could cope with losing a fifth pregnancy. I'm taking 440mcg of folic acid (what's in Pregnacare plus 5 Holland and Barrett tablets!) Plus, Omega 3 fish oils, coenzyme Q10 and cranberry gemmotherapy stuff. Am feeling on fine form physically which is great!
How are you doing? It's lovely to hear about Babycant, and I hope she manages to learn to sleep soon. It makes such a huge difference How's DD1 with her? You must be so proud of your two gorgeous girls.

Scrum, Happy Birthday for tomorrow, well today already where you are! You are lucky living so near Sydney, I spent a year there with dh and friends ten years ago - loved it, and still dream about it! I wake up desperate to go back! Have a wonderful time in the city won't you, and you can come back and regale us with stories about your lovely spa break. You deserve to be spoilt!

Drama, wow. You must be desperate to know one way or the other. I hope the answer you get is the one you want... Can I have some of your units too please? Feel like having a glass of wine or two tonight!

Allways, I'm glad you feel relieved after your meeting. It's so desperately sad for you, but if it's not chromosomal or genetic then hopefully next time you should have a better outcome. I really hope that you have pre-empted your IVF, it would be great if that happened.

Coffee, I hope you're having a lovely time in 'gay Paris', such a wonderful place. I really hope you get the reassurance you need at the meeting next Wednesday, but am so pleased that you managed to speak to someone who may have helped a little in the meantime.

Right, I had better go and get on with packing for tomorrow. DS is desperately excited which is lovely!

Have a lovely weekend all of you, and hi to those I haven't mentioned. I hope you're all okay.

PS For anyone who has had AF back, would you mind telling me how long it took? Am getting rather worried

Oh Monkey, what a hard time you have had. I really feel for you with the loss of your mum, and your baby. I hope seeing your dad and brother offers some comfort even as you miss your mum badly. So cruel that when you need her most, you have to deal with losing her. You are being so brave.

For the AF - mine took 3 weeks the first time after termination and 6 weeks the second. Consultant told me most women find it comes between 4-12 weeks after the termination, with an average of 4-8 weeks. I asked people here after the second termination and recall posts on this since - it seems to vary immensely. But 7 weeks is normal, so don't worry (says I - I was going demented by 6...).

Big hugs for your trip. You are coping so well.

Monkey regarding AF mine returned after 5 weeks roughly but i know what u mean i was going crazy willing it to hurry up, and regarding my units u can have all u want...although i may have a glass of wine on sat to steady my nerves...purely medicinal u understand XxXx

Hello - just popping in to add to the information for monkey (I'm a regular lurker here/poster in the other room for those I don't 'know').

For the termination where I was induced at about 13 weeks, it took about 8 weeks for my period to come. But I was bleeding intermittently for a few weeks after the termination so my doctor put me on antibiotics as a precaution - if you're having any weird symptoms, it wouldn't hurt to get the doctor to check so you don't end up with more complications than you need. For the surgical termination at 7/8 weeks, it only took about 6 weeks for things to start again. I echo Can't that it seems really common for this to vary massively between women and up to 3 months seems possible. But if you've been having any weird bleeding then it'd probably be worth getting it checked out in the meantime. Hope it sorts itself out soon. xx

Hello ladies,

Wow, very eventful few days here, and I've only been gone for a little while.

Gina, congratulations on your BFP. I'm sure everyone here can relate to the rollercoaster of emotions, I get very teary only thinking about a future pregnancy. I?ll be keeping my fingers crossed the next 8 months are uneventful for you.

Monkey, these are such hard times for you, I hope your weekend went as peacefully as it could and you found comfort in seeing your dad and brother. My AF came back 7 weeks after my termination, but I did bleed intermittently before that. I also remember my consultant saying it might take up to 12 weeks, so I don?t think 8 weeks is unusual, although I would second what Litlepoot said, if you feel there is something wrong it?s better to get it checked.

Allways, I hope your AF stays away . If not, however, it?s such good news about starting IVF again, and I?m glad you sound positive. We?ll be keeping our fingers crossed for you in here and sending you good vibes!

Scrum, belated Happy Birthday! I smiled reading about your dh?s planning... it?s good though he is so committed to TTC. Gosh, a lot of us TTC now, I wonder what the thread will look like 6 months from now.

Mmt, I hope you enjoyed Berlin? And Drama, only 3 days to go for you... were you good or did you test early? I know I wouldn?t resist, patience is definitely not one of my virtues (not that I have many, mind you).

Paris was good, although not as glam as it sounds. We just couldn?t enjoy the city, but being with our friends helped a lot. We spent the evenings talking and even laughing (the wine helped!!!) and playing silly Wii games... very mature, I know. The appointment tomorrow has always been at the back of my mind, but I was distracted, and it?s already Tuesday now, which is good. But now that we?re back, it?s a different story. It hit me as soon as we got home, and I?m not in a very good place at the moment. I don?t think there is any point dwelling on it in here, as all I?m doing is going round and round in circles in my mind and worrying myself sick. I know there is no point doing this until tomorrow, and I just find it so very hard to believe such a mistake could be made by someone very experienced in one of the best hospitals, but on the other hand I find it almost impossible to believe a postmortem wouldn?t confirm such a diagnosis.

Also, what worries me is that I?m becoming bitter. I?ve been very good so far at avoiding bitterness and thinking we each have our own journey through life, and I?ve been blessed in so many ways, but on seeing a young couple with a tiny baby girl on the ferry, I just felt this overwhelming bitterness and anger. Silvia was due at the end of June and now that June has come, I find it really hard.

Anyway, somehow this month will pass too. I really missed you ladies in Paris, although it was good to have no internet for a few days. xxxx

Hello all,

Some good news around - will be watching the posts with quiet excitement.

Berlin was tough, strange sense of not really being in the moment. How I could find such an interesting place kind of bland is not a good sign of great mental health. Only one person knew my recent history and I wanted to talk about it but not hijack the trip, so I said nothing and it was tough, how did I miss you ladies. Even worse was when one of the ladies starting asking my advice on the likely motivation of my ex husband who's seeing one of her friends, I really like saying, get lost, you have no idea of what I'm dealing with inside, if I wanted to have a big open hearted chat it wouldn't be about my ex husband and his new lady. Yikes. However, was so glad to get back to common law husband and even was so glad to see his children as I do love them and they are my family I guess, so it kind of helped me out with that problem.

Coffee, sweetheart, it's far too early to see if you're going to be bitter about this, and there probably isn't anyone on this thread who hasn't been mown down by envy at looking at someone with a brand new baby at some point. It's a recurrent theme. However, there also seems to be a definite lessening of pain once the delivery date has been passed, so hopefully that will be the same for you. In the mean time we're all here.

Love to all but particularly for different reasons to Allways, Scrum, Drama and Monkey, and to all the ladies and lurkers out there, no matter where you are in the process, xx.

I know what you mean MMT about feeling detached. I am the same at the moment. No matter what I do, I am thinking that it is not what I wanted to do; all I wanted was to be pregnant and (now) getting ready for the new arrival...I have actually become very angry. I had been angry for a while shortly after losing my baby, but I expressed this anger and it was clearly directed at the unfairness of my loss. Now I am angry about everything. If I?m looking for something and can?t find it, I get furious. Same as you, I couldn?t care less if people talk to me about other things. And above all, I feel absolutely exhausted, I could sleep all day and it wouldn?t be enough.

The thought that I?m going back to the hospital tomorrow is making me even more furious. I don?t want to see those corridors again, I don?t want to see the professor again. I remember how he turned to us after the scan and said ?I?m sorry guys, I have bad news?. And then the prognosis, over 95% chances of very severe neuromotor handicap. Of course it was not his fault if things were so bad, but the thought that I?ll see him again makes my blood boil. This seems like a stupid bad joke. I just can?t understand why we weren?t told in the first place that there are things which do not show up at the postmortem. If he said this wasn?t a surprise to him, why can?t they explain things properly? I trusted him with my baby?s life after all, it might only have been a fetus to him but it was my baby.

I?m so sorry, I?m hogging the thread again.

Coffee, you are not hogging the thread, it's here for us to be able to get off our chest what we need to. My thoughts are with you as you prepare for your appointment tomorrow, I only hope you get the answers you need. Although entirely different, dh and I had an experience with one of the doctors at our hospital. She did the CVS for our baby and even though we realised afterwards that it was plain to see the baby was never going to survive, I felt she gave us false hope and was not enirely honest with us. I was absolutely fuming with her when I got home and with the aid of google, realised what the prognosis was going to be. But, while I was in labour, and just after dh and I had been berating her, she came in to visit us. I felt sick at the sight of her, but she sat down with us for half an hour, and just talked to us. It really did help me, and took all the anger that I had been feeling towards her away. What i'm trying to say is that maybe, and goodness me I hope this is the case, that seeing the professor tomorrow might not be as negative as you think it might be. If he can provide the information you need, it might make a huge difference to how you feel. Not to the grief, obviously, but maybe another part of you might be calmed.
Really good luck tomorrow, and please don't ever feel you can't post what you need to. You've been through an awful time and it's very important that you get it all out.

Thanks for all the information regarding the return of AF. Am getting myself rather stressed about things as I just feel like something isn't right. I've got awful thrush (probably from the strong antibiotics) which I can't seem to get rid of (have done two treatments of Canesten) and I feel like I need the loo all the time (sorry if tmi) Am so scared that something is wrong, and that it will lead to us being told that we won't be able to have any more children. Normally I'm such a positive thinker, but I can't help feeling like this year has been so awful already that why shouldn't it throw more crap at us? Am going to ring my doctor tomorrow though as I can't go on like this.

Allways, do you mind me asking whether your IVF is necessary for fertility reasons? I've been doing some research, and have been reading about preimplantation genetic diagnosis. It seems like it could offer us a possible solution as our problems seem to be at the conception stage. We've been turned down by one hospital for it, and just told to 'try again' but I'm going for a second opinion in a couple of weeks. What's IVF like? It sounds horrendous from what I've read. If the consultant says no to us then fair enough, but I can't leave any stone unturned. As I said earlier, I really hope you don't get to the stage of having to go through it again

Better go as I have loads of stuff to do. We're off to a wedding in France this weekend, so lots of organising to be done. I feel very sad though, as while I was still pregnant I was so excited about finding a beautiful dress to show off my bump. At least hardly anyone there knows, but I suspect that maybe we'll have the same problem you did mmetracyt, and have people whittle on at us about stuff that doesn't seem important. You were obviously very controlled not to have told them, so well done for being so brave x

Hope you're all okay xxx

Hello everyone,

no time here, but wanted to send my thoughts to Coffee for tomorrow. I really hope that like Monkey you find some help in meeting the consultant/in your case, the professor, again. I am sure that he will reassure you. But it's horrible that you've been going through this.

Monkey, I think Busierbee looked into PGD for similar reasons to you. I don't know any more about it but agree it is worth investigating. Do you think you may have an infection? It would definitely make sense to see a doctor. Maybe you would have to have PGD privately? I don't know.

MmeTracy, shame about Berlin but I am happy that it helped to return to your DP and his children - indeed, your family.

OK, got to go, but thinking of you all.

Just a quick one from me 2 to say i'm thinking of u for tomorrow coffee hope all goes as well as it can (((hugs))) and i tested today out of curiosity but got bfn but i did when i tested early with Liam too and i'm not due af till fri...i shall keep u all posted! night night XxX

Hello Everyone

Coffee, really really hoping that you get all of your answers today and that, as much as is ever possible, you can gently close the door on the decision making process of it all and focus on your grief and loss without being confused by all the misinformation. I so hope you get some ?peace? (I know not the right word) today.

Mmetracyt, very understandable that you felt the way you did in Berlin and tough that only one person knew. Its so hard when everyone just carries on with normal life and inside you are yelling ?this happened to me and I am hurting and suffering and you have no fucking idea?. Or at least that is what I yell.

Monkey ? hope you get some reassurance from your Drs re your AF. I am a bit stressed about that too, not least as after my termination I pretty much didn?t bleed at all beyond first day (TMI?), then when I had a scan (for IVF) the scanner said she thought I would bleed some more soon as there was quite a bit of ?matter? still there but I haven?t. Anyway, every aspect of this shitty process is just fraught with worry isn?t it. I have also set out some information below about PGD as we have been looking into this, not because there is any suggestion that we are carriers more because I am not sure if I would be able to survive another abnormality which given i?m a bit older isn?t beyond the whit of man. Anyway. Have concluded its too expensive right now but here is information:-

Key takeaways that we got from our IVF consultant were as follows:

1. It is recommended for those that a. Are affected by or carry a known genetic disease b. Have had recurrent miscarriages, or c. Need to know sex of baby...you can also throw older mothers in there who may be affected by a higher rate of miscarriage or genetic abnormalities ? I think it would improve our chances but its 3 times as $$ here so it would limit the number of rounds of IVF we would be able to do...I am still changing my mind every second though about what to do ? in fact having told my doctor we are not going to do it I have a call into her today to talk about logistics if we did decide....one thing we can do here is to wait to decide until we find out how many blastocysts we may have ? ie if you only have one viable one then you may want to cross fingers and hope its a good ones and not test but if you have say four then you may want to test...

1. It is not 100% accurate as it tests the cells that will be the placenta not the baby...so it wouldn?t detect mosaic ? but in her practice she has only had one example of this.

1. Because of the testing you end up putting in a frozen embryo which has a slightly reduced rate of ?taking? but on the other hand as they blastocysts are likely to be free of genetic issues that could cause miscarriage those that do are more likely to result in a live birth

1. Again all this caveated by the fact its a relatively new procedure so data all quite limited

Well I thought I was doing OK but just had a few hours alone and driving along I had a moment of ?i just can?t believe that this has happened? and then half an hours of tears. I really can?t fucking believe our bad luck. I hadn?t really cried all weekend and in a way it was a relief to cry again. I do think they can be healing. Anyway despite the fact that I didn?t want to do anything for my birthday, it was actually a great distraction for a few days and my DH really excelled himself getting me an appointment with celeb type hairdresser (Australia?s Nicky Clarke), an amazing upgrade in hotel with 270 degree harbour views, dinner, massage, facial, manicure, pedicure etc and then a lovely lovely girls lunch for 10 friends one of whom who has been amazing through this whole horrible time flew down from 10 hours north just for lunch which was just gorgeous of her (Monkey, we live up on the far end of the Northern Beaches near Palm Beach. And the main reason I was dreading it ? the milestone of my ectopic pregnancy due date actually wasn?t as impactful as I had thought. In my head I had been building up that it would be a day of immense sorrow. But then for me, I realised that I carry this sadness in my heart every single day and every single day is a ?should have been? day and it wasn?t so different. Similarly, I had been dreading not being pregnant again by my 40th and not its happened and its here its not quite so scary. And again, found out over w/end that another three friends are pregnant. And I had thought that would be hard (though happy for them). But now all my worst fears are here its almost a relief that the moment has passed and I hopefully go forward. Hopefully. Although even writing that I am wobbling and crying a bit and thinking maybe I?m not OK. Christ this is all a bit shit isn?t it.

Anyway, lots of luck Dramamama and GinaFB good luck in these early days/weeks. Hello to everyone else on the thread to. Thankyou for listening to me and I?m sorry we have to be here but I think I would be doing much worse if you weren't.

Coffee, I hope today gives you and DH answers that finally give you some peace of mind. I am thinking of you.

Scrum, your birthday sounds lovely, surrounded by people who care and love you very much indeed, just how it should be.

Monkey, hope your gp can help you out, maybe carry out some investigations? Our need for IVF is for conception. We cannot get pregnant without help. My period arrived yesterday to prove this again. The process is hard, long and stressful. Of cause all that is forgotten if you're successful. I was back at the clinic yesterday and our next full cycle starts on he 23rd June with down regulating. I'm in bits at the moment and going though many of the emotions Scrum, MMT, you and coffee have posted about. I'm so very angry and bitter and have all but cut myself off from the world and have wailed out loud crying to my husband. Our weekend away seems like it happened to someone else, I can?t remember half of it. The thought of another IVF cycle sends me into a panic, the thought of not doing the cycle does too. I do wonder if this is grief or post natal depression? The simplest of tasks confound me and I'm wondering if I should even be driving. I could sleep the clock round and it still wouldn't be enough. I?m so angry that we got so far, with the ivf, a successful frozen cycle, 31 weeks of pregnancy, lost both our daughters and here we are, no further on. Back at the shitty beginning with broken hearts.

Like always, your support is overwhelming, thank you.

I feel very weird today, trying hard not to think about the appointment but my stomach is in knots. I really need to close the door on this uncertainty, I thought I had managed to make peace with our decision and was feeling so much better and so much more hopeful, but this has thrown me back to square one. The thought that we had made what seemed to us like the most humane choice was keeping me strong, in a way, I was grieving but at the same time I knew that if I had brought my baby into this world she would have been very poorly. Without this certainty now, it all crumbles. But I?ll see today, maybe we did make the right choice after all, there is no way of knowing until we meet the professor. I don?t know how I would cope otherwise...

Monkey, I think you really must talk with your doctor about your AF, even if it?s just to put your mind at rest. As for positive thinking, how could we be positive after all this? When you?ve had something so cruel and so rare happen to you, how can you not fear the worst? I really hope your doctor will reassure you and you will get back to ?normal? soon.

Scrum, your birthday sounds so lovely. And you are right about crying, it helps so much. Your friend must be such a kind soul. You really do see who your friends really are after all this.

Allways, I feel for you, it must be so frustrating to go back to IVF. It is heartbreaking to have to try again, and face the uncertainty and fear. I am so so sorry. But as you say, you cannot face not trying again. You are heartbroken and anxious, but here you are again, and we are here to hold your hand. It doesn?t cease to amaze me, the resilience of the human spirit, the way we pick ourselves up and give it another try.

Cantdo, it?s so good to hear your voice, I hope you?re ok? Are you proficient now in the art of feeding and typing at the same time?

Thank you for being here ladies, and I hope to be back with some ?good? news tonight.

Hello ladies,

I just wanted to post quickly to say Hello & that I had been thinking of you all.

Coffee I really do hope that the meeting goes as well as it can today and that you get some answers, the uncertainty of the situation must be driving you crazy. You are being so strong, I admire how well you are coping. Much love. x

Scrumdiddlyumptious I have to say full marks to your DH your birthday sounds incredible!!

Thank you to you all for your best wishes and I am keeping my fingers crossed until after the 20 week scan! So far this pregnancy seems to be the opposite of last time so I am hoping that is a good sign that everything is ok.

Hi ladies,

Well, we have seen the professor today and I have to say we are reassured. He was so different to how he was (or seemed to us) back in February, when he gave us the bad news. He explained everything to us, basically the cyst wasn't seen at the pm because it was exactly between the brain ventricles and there was no tissue around. Apparently this is typical in these cases, whereas if the cyst was located inside one of the ventricles, it would have most likely been seen. He said that the best way to see these cysts is at a scan, because the waves bounce off the fluid, and he is very confident of what he saw. If he saw someone else in our situation tomorrow, he would give the same prognosis. He also said he is sorry for the bad communication, apparently my local hospital has been another chain in the link and he thought I would have called them when we made the decision to terminate. But I didn't know this at the time.

I trusted him, what he said made so much sense and he explained it very well. Also, the chances of recurrence he gave us are smaller than the ones given by the consultant:she had said 3%, and he now said that it's around 0.3%, and added up to the general risk of 1% in every pregnancy, this means it's actually 1.3%. Not that I believe in statistics anymore, but it sounded more encouraging. He also said he can scan me if I want in a future pregnancy, at 17 and 21 weeks, and they will also offer me another scan after 21 weeks if I am very anxious.

Also, he said something I found quite interesting: that if my risk is slightly increased in a future pregnancy, it's not only for brain anomalies, it can be anything. I actually thought of Cantdo, who had 2 terminations for completely different problems.

I can't describe how relieved I feel. I don't know if tomorrow will be the same, but tonight I feel lighter. I sat in the garden earlier, with a glass of wine, doing nothing. I am exhausted, but at the same time I am so relieved. I don't feel guilty tonight. My baby really was poorly.

Dear Coffee - I am glad, so glad to hear that today's meeting WAS reassuring, and that as Scrum says, you can know there was nothing you did wrong. I think it is the thing that everyone dreads, that perhaps they made a mistake. I am so glad you've had the chance to rest those worries, and know once again that you made the hardest decision for the best of reasons. I am not surprised you are exhausted, it must have been constantly on your mind these last two weeks or more. I am also glad that the consultant was more reassuring about the odds of something like this occurring again.

I'll need to go as I need to retrieve DS from the bath - but just to say thinking of you Allways as you gear up for IVF again, particularly as it must remind you of what went before. Really wishing you and all the others who are hoping to conceive all the best; and for those not yet ready to face that rollercoaster, the peace and strength to get through each day. xx NM

Oh, dearest Coffee. She was a poorly baby. She was. Whilst you always knew that of course, somehow events and signs and communication have made you doubt yourself. In fact we all do at various times.
I am so relieved you feel some relief and peace. It is a long and rocky road and there will be more tricky routes to navigate. But there will also be lighter ones; when maybe you can feel her on your shoulder whispering to you that it is okay, that she is okay and that it is good to enjoy life. For you and for her.
I hope you find the strength to try again soon.
Sending you so much love
Bee xxx

Oh Coffee, it sounds so wrong to say I am glad that it was confirmed that your baby was very sick, but you know what I mean. I echo Bee entirely - it was always true, but the doubts can't help resurfacing. Maybe now you can find some peace, even while the sadness and loss remain. You made the right decision for Silvia...

Bee, how are you? I miss you. I really hope you are okay.

So glad you've got answers Coffee, been thinking about you. xx.

Hi everyone, tried to post last night but lost 2 posts in the space of 5 minutes , then Internet was down for rest if night- grrr! One was longish too (considering kids were fighting in the background). Don't have much time now, so have to be brief (ha)

Coffee, I was wishing you well for yesterday, glad to see it was reassuring. Hopefully your experience will ensure the professor warns people in advance that the condition might not show up in pm, so as to save them the additional stress that you unfortunately experienced. Glad you had a peaceful night

I was also introducing myself to you Scrum, as I'd realised I hadn't even said hello. I'm from Australia too (not sure whether you're actually from here or have moved here). Originally from Sydney, then Melbourne, I am now a country bumpkin living in Taree (or an even smaller town for now while waiting for house to be built). The main thing I miss, living in the country (besides my family) is shopping. It's a peaceful life though. Sorry for your loss that brought you here, but glad you found these lovely ladies. I came hear last year when I was waiting for results of a CVS, having had a T21 pregnancy the year before, and the support was wonderful. All was well this time and I have a four month old DD (and a couple more teenage ones). I still come here and read often but don't get around to posting much these days. Think of everyone often though. A belated happy birthday also (I'm 40 too). Your hubby sounds amazing BTW, arranging that for you.

Oh gee, was meant to be brief. Just quickly..... Congratualtions Gina!, fingers crossed Drama, good luck with the IVF Allways, and hello to Monkey, Mmet and everyone else. Love to all xxxx

PS. Lovely to hear your soothing voice Bee xxx

Allways, been meaning to say and forgot - so sorry your period came. It isn't fair at all that conception has been so hard for you and for you to lose the twins. I have my fingers firmly crossed for you and the others about to enter into IVF. You deserve some good luck.