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support thread for women who have chosen to terminate II

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brightonbaby · 09/06/2009 19:05

Erm, trying to create a new thread for us, ladies. Not sure if I've succeeded...

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linspins · 24/07/2009 17:34

Numpty, sad for you that your baby dd has gone. But I know just what you mean about it sort of being 'ok' (for want of a better term) because you have gone through the last two weeks and are more prepared. We had more time to adjust our dreams before we lost Daisy, - it was all rather a rush the first time round, only because that's just the way it happened and these things can sometimes feel like an unstoppable train.
You sound like you are ready for this - as ready as one can be. And I'm glad you have the support of the chaplain and that's something you can draw comfort from.

My internet (and tv - argh- no Cbeebies!!) have been down all day and I was panicking that they wouldn't be working all weekend and I wouldn't be able to chat to you, but oddly it's all reconnected itself... [ hmm]

catch you all later. xxx

linspins · 24/07/2009 19:22

Hi all, I am off out tonight with my dd NCT group Mums. We're off for a pizza...
I am worried this is going to be a struggle! It'll be way past my bedtime, and a bit late for me to eat too, eek.
But we haven't been out for AGES, and some of them I don't get to see so much these days.
So I won't be on here to night, but will be thinking of Lucky and Numpty especially. xxx

Take care all. xxx

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treedelivery · 24/07/2009 19:34

I just couldn't get away Numpty - I'm so sorry. My mum is up to mega clean the house, and dd was going to a party.....and blah blah blah.

So, today. What to say. I am so sorry for your loss. I am relieved that your spirits feel lighter and like there is a sense of understanding between your body and your baby and your mind.

I hope you and your family are ok. Much love and peaceful vibes. I think you will truly have special times with her on Monday, and have some warm if painful memories to help you through the coming times.

Will be about to chat at the weekend and after Monday. Thank you for telling us about your scan and your little girl. x

busierbee · 24/07/2009 22:59

My dearest, dearest lovely lovely, more than vital friends
I am back from my five days away.
More later on me.
Firstly- Numpty- I have not been here to share the rocky road but even now I am taken right back to the pain and sadness and loss and intimacy and uniqueness of losing a baby from either the hand of fate of the decisions that we take. Hold on tight here to this delicate/strong thread and know that we know. I am sorry for your loss and hope the sun shines gently for you on Monday.
Lins - how lovely to have you back here in true, honest and supportive and lovely form.
Shangrilla - I can imagine the unsettled state you are in - and would love to come and see you and my lovely Bezzy soon.
GO- glad you are still the prayer link to the higher order for us all.
Tree - you are precious too (I have had three glasses of wine so forgive my gushiness) and I will email you soon.
Becaroo - this is sad news indeed darling. It is a huge projected loss for the future - may we tentatively suggest a second opinion?
Lucky - you too are suffering and need comfort and we are here to give it whenever.
I must go and attend to LM whom I have not seen all week and suspect feels somewhat neglected.
Oh boy, girls, how I have missed you all.
Bezzy - you are quiet lady for you. Are you okay honey?
Missed you, missed you, missed you and tried to log on countless times on my phone but bloody impossible.
Hope Cantdo back tomorrow too.
I think we need to light the aga again in the cottage and bake a fresh batch for Lucky and Numpty and have a stroll by the sea after tea.
kisses and gentle hugs to all my gentle souls
ps - if anyone felt like linking in my first post I would be so pleased - I hate to not have it near to Lins one and do not know how to link things.
Little sad feeling
Beeeeeeeee
xxxxxx

shangrila · 25/07/2009 01:55

Hello all. Late here, but no sleep. Little changes!

Numpty. I am so sorry to read about the loss of your precious baby. I also understand the relief (sorry if that's an awkward word, it's the only way I can voice it) at the quiet and dignified manner of her passing. I recall only too well in a number of my pregnancies, wishing for a similar best-worst scenario. Take good care of yourself. It sounds that you have tremendous real-life support and that is beyond value at such fragile times. My love to you and yours.

And similar sentiments and much love also to luckywinner. Although you had anticipated and feared this sad outcome, it must still be an enormous shock. These really can be the darkest, most challenging times. Do keep on talking or simply reading, if it helps. Or move on from here, if that will help you. Do whatever it takes to get you through, knowing you're in our thoughts.

My very best to everyone else who is experiencing sadness or turmoil. Take care all. xxxx

shangrila · 25/07/2009 02:04

Lovely Lins

I have just logged on after a good few days away and am so incredibly heartened to read your most fantastic news. Quite brilliant.

It is also wonderful to read tonight you are going about everyday life - NCT nights out, pizzas etc etc. Worlds away from the panic, trauma and upset of your last couple of weeks. I hope that now you can manage to breathe a little more easily and have a few days off the worry rollercoaster. (I won't say relax completely, as I know that's impossible - or is that just me?

Great news, girl. Keep it coming. xxx

linspins · 25/07/2009 08:38

Morning all!
Survived night out and not yawning TOOOOO much!
All my NCT mummies were really pleased at my news. It was good too to talk about dd and her 5 contemporaries who were all born with 3 weeks of each other. We talked endlessly about normal life, the funny and annoying things they do and how the last 3 years has flown since we all had matching bumps. Ordinary stuff, so comforting.

Bee, lovely to have you back, how was hol?
Here is your link...
Bee's thread

The sun is shining here today, hope it continues.

Growingout, loved the 'dark night' bit. Will remember that one. Is there more after that or is it just one bit?

xx

treedelivery · 25/07/2009 10:17

Morning everyone.

Great to hear from you all, and big welcome home to Busier.

luckywinner · 25/07/2009 13:12

Numptymum I am so sad to hear your dd has gone. And although I was way behind you in weeks (9) when they told me my little one had died too it almost felt like a relief. I had already said goodbye to it and also felt much calmer, like some part of me knew it had already happened. I will be thinking of you on Monday.

I had my erpc yesterday. I feel so weird today. I have vv low blood pressure which is not helping things and can barely concentrate on anything. I found my pregnancy test for this one earlier. Sounds weird but I have kept the ones for my other two dc and I felt so sad. So I hope its ok but I won't be leaving this thread for a bit. I know my pregnancy was short compared to some of you but I feel at home here and it is a good place to wail. And hopefully when I have got my head together I can be of some support and help to all you lovely lovely mumsnetters.

treedelivery · 25/07/2009 13:24

Luckwinner - you are very very welcome. Glad you through yesterday, but sorry to hear you feel physically unwell. Take it real easy. Generals can really floor you, expect to feel hungover for a few days. Drink warm drinks and eat soft food and lie quite as you can.

It's important you do not feel a 'fraud' as you lost your baby earlier than others. ALl pregnancies have hopes and dreams attached to them, they are all part of us. So don't feel lesser or an imposter. Grief is grief, like pain is pain. So you are very welcome to stay for hand holds and the enjot the cottage.

luckywinner · 25/07/2009 13:32

Thank you Treedelivery, I have just shed a few tears, good ones though if there are such things. I was just writing on the thread I started when this all happened, I just don't know what I would have done without mumsnet. The support I have found on here is phenomenal (sp??!) and I really feel like it has made this hideous experience a little more bearable.

linspins · 25/07/2009 13:57

Lucky winner, stay here with us! And wail away. When I read your post about hoping it's ok to stay, the thought that immediately sprung to mind was 'well, grief is grief.." and then Tree wrote it for you. And it is true. You have a place here, because you have lost a precious darling baby. It's awfully, horribly sad, and you deserve comfort and support.
Nine weeks is still long enough to build a whole castle of dreams about the future for your baby, and losing this future and having to adjust to a new one is hard.
So pull up a comfy chair and make yourself right at home here. xxx

busierbee · 25/07/2009 17:15

Lucky
Hello Bee here.
I just wanted to say that you are more than welcome here for as long as you wish to visit. Our house guests sometimes stay for months - indeed it is a veritable, virtual second home for many and we are all in different stages of life- some are pregnant, some are not, some are trying, some are recently bereft and some are still seeking comfort for past losses.
I do not feel that the fact your baby was only 9 weeks puts you in any a less important category. It is still painful to say goodbye to a much wanted baby; and your body and soul will be in a delicate, weary state for a while. Tears are normal; I hope you have some comforting arms to hold you and wipe away your tears.
Let them flow and hold onto your dearest children tightly. So precious.
gentle hugs
Beexxxx

Cantdothisagain · 25/07/2009 18:50

Hi everyone

Back from holiday, just caught up with all your news...

Lucky and Numpty, I am so sorry you have lost your babies. Please stay around here as long as you want - everyone's voice here helps each other, I think.

Lins, fantastic news!!!

Can't remember everyone else's news for now. And there isn't much from here. Holiday was nice, good to be somewhere else, doing other things. Still feeling stalked by bumps, though. And still feel it was all so unfair, what has happened to us. But it was nice to be in a cottage in a quiet village, away from everything, even if it did rain every day (no exaggeration!).

Hugs to everyone else I've not mentioned, specially those I havent noticed here - Katerina, Daftbat, etc.

growingout · 26/07/2009 06:50

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bezzyk · 26/07/2009 08:54

Morning, welcome back BB and Can't. I'm fine, thanks for asking BB, have more guests at Chez Bez....late nights, early mornings, sore heads....you know the rest...

Back soon

BK xx

NumptyMum · 26/07/2009 08:55

Thank you for the lovely quotes, growingout, they help a lot. And for all the other posts, I'm glad that people 'got' how I felt, even though I didn't express it very well.

After I wrote my last post I felt so guilty about saying I was sad and yet not just sad - though 'happy' wasn't the right word, I can't think what is. I spoke to my sister about it yesterday, and she said that in a way it was like when a person with terminal cancer dies (she speaks from experience of this). There is so much sorrow as you know they are likely to die, stress because you don't know when or whether it will involve pain and suffering, and grieving while they are still with you; in some ways, after all these emotions, sometimes the moment of death can be a release.

Because I knew that DD was likely to die due to her condition, I had already grieved. But there was also the stress of not knowing whether she would die within me (which I could bear better) or if she would live to have a short, difficult life, which would have been terrible to watch. So we made the immensely difficult decision that we would rather end her suffering now - and yet if she had still been alive there would have been sorrow and guilt to think we had chosen this end, even if for her sake. Finding out she had already gone ahead means that we can now just grieve again, but knowing her life is better with God.

I have had too many nights with not enough sleep, going over all these things in my mind, so I hope you don't mind me voicing them here... At the moment I am not sad, I think I'm just too tired and have cried so many tears in the last two weeks that for today, the waiting time, I'm just 'here'. And bless DS, he's being particularly cute and lovely this morning.

Luckywinner - thinking of you. And remembering all the other mums on this thread who have been in this position too, I guess you'll know what I'm rambling on about even if I don't know how to say it.

Thank you again, all, for your help and kind words. xx

linspins · 26/07/2009 08:56

Growingout, I put the quote in to Google and got...
this

Morning all. Am up, have had breakfast and now planning to sneak back in to bed while Dh takes dd swimming! He's such a star.

How is everyone today? xx

linspins · 26/07/2009 09:02

Growing out, also check out this...
more stuff

Cantdothisagain · 26/07/2009 18:54

Numpty and Lucky, I can imagine how you felt. When I found out my two little girls couldn't live, I found myself wishing they would die before I had them induced early. They didn't and I have to live with that. I am glad for your sakes that you don't. Good luck tomorrow, Numpty. You sound peaceful, calm... take care.

Hi everyone else. Anyone been baking? I haven't had a chance since I got home. Got DD a toy kitchen though, so she will be getting practice in to whip me up some yummy banana cake soon
Anyone got any virtual cake for me?

treedelivery · 26/07/2009 19:25

I have a virtual Yorkshie pudding? Have some choc sponge too but that's shop bought am afraid

I have a certain amount of prune puree so am hunting a recipe for cake with that istead of sugar. It was made for dd2 who is struggling with weaning. It worked. Screaming, 2 baths and a lot of turd.

Hope all are ok and peacefull. Lucky, has the drowsy woozy feeling passed?

Numpty - what time do you go in tomorrow? Hope you are ok.

linspins · 26/07/2009 19:43

Numpty, a quick thought about photos. I think you said you would be taking your camera to have some pics of your baby. Just wanted to say, you might want to take loads, all different kinds etc. Because it doesn't matter if you have too many but you can't ever go back and get more.
I found having some black and white shots were nice as it took away the shock of the colour the babies sometimes are
(quite red, bruised or purply). And using a macro setting allowed close up shots of tiny weeny fingers, eyes etc.
I have a lovely one of Daisy's hand resting on the tip of my little finger.
A photo like that could be put in a weeny frame and slipped on the mantelpiece without upsetting anyone or having anything too personal on show.
I have pics of Daisy wrapped up and in her 'moses basket', some of me holding her, some with her bunny, and some close up shots. Dh found taking them all quite..er...not traumatic, but maybe emotional? But he did it for me because I needed these pics.
How are you doing today?
I will be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping it all goes smoothly, and as ok as these things can. Because she is so tiny, hopefully labour won't take too long. Daisy caught me a bit by surprise and slid out before the nurse thought she would.
Love to you, and all your family. xxx

luckywinner · 26/07/2009 20:24

Hi all, hope everyone's sunday evening is going ok. I am definitely more in the land of the living today but my emotions are all over the place. My mum went home yesterday - she lives about 100 miles away, but she's coming back tomorrow as I just know I won't cope on my own for the next couple of days. I am absolutely hopeless about asking for help so maybe this is one of the points of what has happened, for me to learn somehow that I cannot cope alone with everything. That has been the undoing of me in the past.

However, I have spent the entire day thinking about the future, to looking at property websites, to looking into secondary schools for ds - he's 4!, looking at evening courses, to thinking about another baby to even wanting to go and cut my hair. I am all over the place.

Numpty I hope you are ok this evening. I found the night before really difficult. I understand your feelings of guilt. I know exactly how you feel. I think you do your grieving once you hear the news and when it happens it is a kind of relief. A relieving of some sort of weight that seems to lift off you. I hope that makes sense. It is so painful to say goodbye but I said my goodbyes to my baby in the week between the scan. Although I clung to some sort of hope I knew really it was not good. That's when something is taken away from you, you go from a normal pregnancy with hopes and how you will fit together as a family and then being given hideous news takes it away from you. That is a loss in itself.

I will be thinking of you tomorrow.

Thanks for all your messages to me. It means a lot.

Lins, I hope you're not feeling too sick. I always find mini cheddars to be a god send, that and party rings.

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