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To think this was an assault *triggerwarning* graphic content

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Scardeycat1 · 16/04/2023 08:24

warning: intimate / explicit content

I’ve been seeing someone casually recently. He lives a long way away so haven’t seen him much, but he’s a friend and we stay in touch. He’s a couple of years younger. Basically just a fun thing, was never going to develop into anything more serious which was fine.

We have slept together a few times, during which it’s become increasingly rough. Slapping, choking, hair pulling etc. Not my total favourite, but kind of fun and I’m up for trying stuff.

Then the other week, after a night out where we were both pretty drunk, things progressed as usual but then took a turn for the more extreme. He very forcefully had me perform oral sex on him in such a way i was gagging and couldn’t breathe, and then when we was ‘finished’ strangled me until I passed out. We had not discussed trying anything of the sort. And he’d finished! So he was just… watching. I came round, I don’t know, minutes (?) later having some sort of fit, slapped him hard, he then slapped me back and stormed out, shouting abuse at me as he went.

As if the story couldn’t get worse! The next day he texted to see if I was ok etc, and I had a total memory blackout. I had thought I’d just left the night out and gone to bed. So I was friendly as usual in my messages, reassured I was fine etc. It was only over a series of flashbacks the coming days, as the swelling got worse and I had to go to hospital, that I pieced together what happened. I messaged him and told him to never contact me again and I was blocking him.

The whole experience has left me deeply confused. I know a lot of guys these days like it rough, but this was surely outside of the boundaries of normal? This guy honestly comes across as just the nicest sweetest most mild mannered guy. Others in my social circle know him and he has a rep for just being mr nice guy. Is he just a total creep to want to watch someone being strangled when he’s already finished? Am I being over the top to feel like I could have died?

OP posts:
SoupDragon · 16/04/2023 09:34

I know you've said you aren't going to go to the police but if he keeps getting away with this then someone is going to end up seriously hurt (I do understand that this is not your responsibility though)

ProtestantsHateAbba · 16/04/2023 09:34

Reporting to the police is a very personal decision. The OP has no responsibility for anyone but herself here. She is not in any way responsible for the actions of this man, including what he will most likely do in the future. To suggest she should be held accountable for that is disgusting.

GnomeDePlume · 16/04/2023 09:34

I totally understand your reasons for not wanting to report this. Please look after your mental health. You don't have to try and 'power through' this. Please reach out for help.

A very close relative of mine was raped. It took a couple of years for her to feel able to disclose this. By this point her mental health had taken a deep dive.

She had some counselling and is now having regular therapy through her GP. She found the counselling helped her to start with but then recognised she needed more specialist support.

Linio · 16/04/2023 09:36

Oh OP, I nearly cried for you as I read your post.

Please get some professional help to help
you process what happened to you. You will need to talk it through with a professional, and I don’t often say that to someone.

Ithurtsthebackofmyeyes · 16/04/2023 09:36

He would be in the press, you wouldn’t. Sex offence victims, which you ARE, are granted lifelong anonymity. Anyone naming you publicly, even on Twitter/Facebook etc would be in extremely serious trouble with police.

Going to the police is very much not on the cards. I have young kids and a career where I am recognisable, I cannot dedicate time and energy to this experience

I am rarely so horrified by what I read on here. This violent rape and arguably attempted murder is appalling. This man is a dangerous fucking rapist, who strangled you, and likely abused you yet further when you were unconscious.

And you’re downplaying it. I do not understand.

SallyWD · 16/04/2023 09:37

He sounds extremely dangerous. I'd tell the police.

YeahOkWhatever · 16/04/2023 09:38

This man is very dangerous and this behaviour is very likely to escalate. As others have said report this to the Poilce and please for your own safety don't see him again. I hope you're OK now.

Crocodilekneecaps · 16/04/2023 09:39

GoodChat · 16/04/2023 09:32

And if he doesn't and it doesn't?

This is her choice.

And the next woman might not have a choice. You are not responsible for his actions but this needs to be on record

OfCourseImNameChanging · 16/04/2023 09:41

The OP isn't to blame for what this man did to her, what he's done to other women in the past and what he will do to more. It's all on him. The normalisation of choking and beating women in sex and the way girls and women are being conditioned to accept it is terrifying though. This was not a normal, mainstream, expected thing when I was a teen/twenty something. If I became single now, I'd never date again. Friends tell me about the nice, normal men who suddenly strangle them with no consent, no warning, nothing and it's horrific. A monstrous act that has nothing to do with sex or women's pleasure. I'm so sorry for everyone this has happened to, and that women blame themselves and each other for pornsick ruined men. This man could have left the OP's children motherless; he will no doubt traumatise and brutalise many others and it is his fault and his responsibility.

Namechange10101010 · 16/04/2023 09:41

PonyPatter44 · 16/04/2023 09:29

I agree with @GraysPapaya . Report it even if you don't take it further. The police will have it on record. Then, when some poor woman turns up dead and he says breezily that it was consensual rough sex gone wrong, your report is right there to prove him a liar.

This, then it will stand against him in further offences, because it was not a one off. It will also support any woman who does a Claire's Law request.

Look after yourself OP

Justleaveitblankthen · 16/04/2023 09:42

CheersForThatEh · 16/04/2023 09:13

Agree with someone up thread saying he has lured you into a false sense of security by playing mr nice guy.

If he likes that and did it to a stranger, he knows he will get a police visit. He has established a relationship with you and built up to this by testing your boundaries further each time and making you doubt yourself into thinking you might have consented or given the wrong idea. He has been deliberately sneaky.

And now you still think he is nice and it might have been a misunderstanding and dont want to report.

Sending a hug x

This. Word for word.
This 'nice guy' has played the long game and done a fucking number on you.
I am livid on your behalf.

He needs to be reported OP. This will not be an isolated incident that he will never repeat.
Save other women from this piece of shit.

ZeroWorshipHere · 16/04/2023 09:43

If she reports this to the police as I understand it then she has no control over whether the police charge him or not or want to pursue it.

It definitely sounds like rape and assault to me. It’s up to you if you want to report it and you are not to blame if someone else is injured - same as his last sexual partner isn’t to blame for what happened to you - he is.

however you don’t have to go along with things you don’t enjoy just because the man wants to do it OP. If you’re going to take part in rough sex or bdsm, please only do it with a partner you trust - set up boundaries, safe words and start slowly.

We have slept together a few times, during which it’s become increasingly rough. Slapping, choking, hair pulling etc. Not my total favourite, but kind of fun and I’m up for trying stuff.

don’t do it if you don’t want to. And I’m not saying this because of what happened or victim blaming or anything - you can say no to this so called low level stuff

Mummyratbag · 16/04/2023 09:44

Geez this man was "watching" to see whether he killed you! He was waiting to see if you came round or not and when you did and fought back, he hit you and shouted abuse at you... what the fuck am I reading here? This man is a murderer looking for for his victim.. No, it's not your fault if he goes on and the next person doesn't regain consciousness, but please, for your own sake, talk to someone who is trained to deal with this (not just your therapist).

Quartz2208 · 16/04/2023 09:44

You can see if you can place a report on file so it is there for the next person. Given this time ended up with you awakening from a fit he did nearly kill you this isn’t something you can ignore. Next time he could kill someone

herlightmaterials · 16/04/2023 09:47

What did the hospital staff have to say about your injury?

daretodenim · 16/04/2023 09:51

You are lucky OP. Sounds sick saying that in response to what you posted but it's true. LUCK is why your children aren't now without a mother. He strangled you until you blacked out. That wasn't a quick strangle. It takes time and effort for that stage to be reached. It wasn't a mistake that you were unconscious. It was only luck that you're not 6 feet under - or your body sitting in an autopsy slab while your children begin a life of grief.

I don't know why your name would be published when sexual assault victims' names aren't, unless they wave anonymity.

What I do think is that the real reason you don't want to go to the police is because you know that makes it all very real. And I understand that all too well. It means you can't pretend, even a little bit that it didn't happen, or it wasn't as bad as you sometimes think it was.

As for your therapist agreeing with you. Well therapists by their nature will not dramatically disagree with you. Furthermore, your therapist would never want to give you the feeling where she was forcing you to do something about an event that was forced in you. Her goal is to support you in what you want, her role is not to challenge and debate you on something like this. Had she done that it would have been unprofessional. Additionally, if she doesn't work in the area if rape, sexual assault a murder then there's a chance she won't be well-versed in these things (nobody is expert in everything).

There are good reasons to go to the police and good reasons not to. But the reasons you've given don't make sense. And while you say there's no pictures, you went for medical treatment, so there's presumably a medical report of your injuries, or some of them.

Ultimately it's up to you, but at least make your decisions based on fact, because what you don't want is to end up regretting whatever decision(s) you make.

Socialdistancechampion · 16/04/2023 09:52

He could have killed you.

That is all I have to say about it

AlwaysGinPlease · 16/04/2023 09:55

Socialdistancechampion · 16/04/2023 09:52

He could have killed you.

That is all I have to say about it

This. He might next time. You or whoever else he's with.

Socialdistancechampion · 16/04/2023 10:00

Can we please move away from this "think of the next person" attitude towards reporting rape.

It is a completely personal decision as to whether you take it further or not. You can report it and not prosecute, you can speak to victim support or rape Crisis and get advice on what is right for you.

The OP is the victim. It is entirely up to her how she processes and deals with her trauma. Yes in an ideal world she'd march down to the police station and tell them everything and he'd get locked up and the key thrown away. The reality is reporting and prosecuting sexual assault is extremely traumatic in its own right and often not the right thing for the victim to go through.

OP I hope you are getting good support and have a trauma therapist working with you.

Socialdistancechampion · 16/04/2023 10:00

(clearly my first comment wasn't all I had to say)

SmileEachDay · 16/04/2023 10:02

It takes time and effort for that stage to be reached

It actually doesn’t, if the carotid artery is pressed. That’s why it’s so dangerous.

Socialdistancechampion · 16/04/2023 10:02

SmileEachDay · 16/04/2023 10:02

It takes time and effort for that stage to be reached

It actually doesn’t, if the carotid artery is pressed. That’s why it’s so dangerous.

It takes seconds to kill via strangulation. It's why choking "play" is so dangerous

ParrotsAteThemAll · 16/04/2023 10:02

StopStartStop · 16/04/2023 08:45

Slapping, choking, hair pulling etc.
Absolutely unacceptable.

Not my total favourite, but kind of fun and I’m up for trying stuff.
You, and other women, need to stop being such handmaids. Stop it. If the men aren't treating you with respect, leave. Do it.

He very forcefully had me perform oral sex on him in such a way i was gagging and couldn’t breathe, and then when we was ‘finished’ strangled me until I passed out
I think that is rape, though I'm not sure of the law, and it certainly has the potential to become murder. Stop being a bloody idiot in your relationships with men - not just you, but all women. Give that up. Report him to the police. Now.

as the swelling got worse and I had to go to hospital,
Fuck's sake, woman. He could have killed you.

a total memory blackout. ..So I was friendly as usual in my messages, reassured I was fine etc. It was only over a series of flashbacks...
My mind does this, too, it's a survival thing. Don't worry. Tell the police, explain about the memory gap.

a lot of guys these days like it rough
Then a lot of guys these days can wank until they rip off their dicks, and they can fucking well leave women alone. They don't 'like it rough' they like to abuse women. Women, don't even consider such men as potential sexual partners, and be ready to leave if they try it.

OP, it wasn't your fault. If you're a bit dopey as is fashionable today, about what women have to accept from men, that's your socialisation not a fault on your part. Tell the police, the bastard deserves a prison sentence. I speak as a woman whose then-husband tried to strangle her to death in 1986, and I haven't forgotten.

And always remember, you are precious and good. No man should touch you except to give you pleasure.

👏🏼👏🏼
100% this OP

Wc100423 · 16/04/2023 10:04

He sounds like a creep and killer in the making. Is he medically trained? He could have easily killed you if not. Hopefully, he’s not taken any pictures of you when you were passed out. You’ve disclosed to your friend and therapist so that’s good. Hope you are feeling better and keep getting the help you need. Don’t ever be alone with this guy again and guard your drinks from him at all times.

KnitFastDieWarm1 · 16/04/2023 10:05

This is the most horrifying thing I've read on MN. I'm so sorry and angry on your behalf, OP. I really think you're very lucky to be alive right now.
I'm fucking fuming at that man. And its terrifying that he's walking amongst us, masquerading as a good man.
I understand you've just had an incredibly traumatic experience and you're still processing what was done to you. Take care of yourself and give yourself time to heal.

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