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To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

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Finnyfanjango · 03/03/2023 11:47

I’m interested to hear the thoughts and reactions of others as to me given her cognitive issues and the fact she is partially blind, it just seems like such a sad accident, I can’t see why she was jailed.
I think what she did was awful, but it surely just highlights the lack of appropriate social care she clearly needed?

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OneTC · 03/03/2023 13:39

The reason the possiblity of the push isn't explored more is because the CPS proceeds with the most likely conviction, which was manslaughter and a slight push would be irrelevant and harder to prove of consequence. Physically threatening behaviour on behalf of AG was sufficient for assault and that tips it into manslaughter

BabychamGlass · 03/03/2023 13:39

XelaM · 03/03/2023 13:29

Did none of those saying she "pushed" the cyclist watch the video that's available in every online newspaper? She didn't push her. She waved her arms telling her to get off the pavement. It was an accident.

Do you think the judge and jury only saw the short clip that was released to the public?

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:39

Supersimkin2 · 03/03/2023 13:31

She didn’t push the cyclist. She waved him away. Ludicrous sentence. The car driver killed him.

The car driver is totally blameless in this, poor woman. I would have thought that that was the one thing we could ALL agree on. Her life has been destroyed by what has happened.

She’s an appalling human being and I would put money on her being a bully who hides behind her disabilities in order to get away with nastiness.

I agree with this @DesertRose64 . How anyone at all could cause an accident, let alone one as serious as this, and then just walk away as though nothing at all had happened, I don't know. And she wasn't prepared to plead guilty and take responsibility. She sounds a horrible, heartless, selfish human being.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 13:40

XelaM · 03/03/2023 13:29

Did none of those saying she "pushed" the cyclist watch the video that's available in every online newspaper? She didn't push her. She waved her arms telling her to get off the pavement. It was an accident.

An accident would have been the woman falling off her bike whilst not being threatened by someone

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 13:42

XelaM · 03/03/2023 13:29

Did none of those saying she "pushed" the cyclist watch the video that's available in every online newspaper? She didn't push her. She waved her arms telling her to get off the pavement. It was an accident.

Do you genuinely not think the jury saw more than you? The full video? Other supporting information?

you do not know better than them just because you watched one shortened video!

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:43

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 13:36

Yet a jury with access to far more information than you have, decided she was guilty of manslaughter. But you know better?

While I think the sentence seems harsh (in comparison with some other sentences I've seen) I agree that the judge and jury will have seen much more graphic footage than was released to the public and were better able not only to see her actions but possibly determine a degree of intent.

Whatever it was, nothing will bring that cyclist back, and nothing will give the car driver her peace of mind, marriage, and happy personality back.

drpet49 · 03/03/2023 13:43

Grey being jailed is 100% appropriate. Even the driver of the car that hit the lady has spoken out against Grey.

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:43

Sorry - quoted wrong comment - as you were.

Mouldyfoodhelp · 03/03/2023 13:44

Does it being an accident bring the poor woman back to life? There will be people every day convicted of crimes that were an accident, it doesn't mean she shouldn't face consequences, especially when she seemingly showed no remorse and went along with her day like nothing happened.

I know some will say shock affects people differently but to me it just feels off.

ClimbingRoseBush · 03/03/2023 13:44

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:28

Then I am now aware that she has. Thank you.

The little I have read previously indicated that she did NOT have cognitive issues.

The judge specifically said she does not have cognitive issues. The poster just made that up.

Moonicorn · 03/03/2023 13:45

I’m very torn and trying not to let her unpleasant demeanour and fact she buggered off to a supermarket from the scene of the accident cloud my judgement.

Bikes, to pedestrians, can be an absolute pain in the arse. I’ve shouted after several cyclists whizzing down the pavement (definitely NOT a shared path) for almost mowing down my dog/toddler. Not great moments but a narrow escape from serious injury will do that to you.

Here… hmm. Nobody can establish if it was ‘lawful’ to cycle on that path. I believe it wasn’t really marked either way. As far as I can tell, she gesticulates to Celia and stands in an obstructive way that forces her into the road among busy traffic. I don’t think there was a push, but she gave her no other choice than to swerve into the road where she was then hit.

So she didn’t just ‘shout’ or ‘gesticulate’ like you would to a passing car, she seemed to take a course of action which she knew would force the bike into the road.

So yes I think she deserves conviction/punishment.

Everyonesinvited · 03/03/2023 13:46

freyamay74 · 03/03/2023 12:05

Absolutely right that she's in jail, it was a horrendous act for which she apparently showed no regret or remorse until the day she was jailed. Which sounds like regret for herself, not for causing someone to die horribly

She doesn't have the cognitive capacity to express regret in the normal way.

ClimbingRoseBush · 03/03/2023 13:46

Supersimkin2 · 03/03/2023 13:31

She didn’t push the cyclist. She waved him away. Ludicrous sentence. The car driver killed him.

You’ve read so much about the case that you don’t even know it was a woman that was killed. The car driver had zero chance to stop. Zero. She was in no way to blame. She is another victim of the aggressive pedestrian who caused a woman to die. She also had her 2 year old with her in the car.

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 13:46

I can't help thinking that - regardless of the defendant's actions - this was an accident waiting to happen on that stretch of pavement. It looks too narrow to be shared by pedestrians and cyclists. I doubt someone in a wheelchair or pushing a pram could get past a cyclist.

Moonicorn · 03/03/2023 13:47

Everyonesinvited · 03/03/2023 13:46

She doesn't have the cognitive capacity to express regret in the normal way.

Regret doesn’t affect whether you’re guilty or not, although it rubs salt in the wounds when they appear not to give a damn. Equally she seemed to expect the cyclist to consider her, why can’t she consider other people?

MammaFifi · 03/03/2023 13:47

She definitely should be in prison. It's a treacherous road and the pavement is always shared by pedestrians and cyclists. Her vile actions killed an elderly lady.

Redebs · 03/03/2023 13:47

The path is far too narrow for a cycle way. It's very alarming to have a bike being ridden towards you on a pavement. Not everyone has the balance and agility to suddenly step sideways and I think she was in fear. The bike couldn't have safely passed her anyway.
Horrible tragedy.
Councils get money for making cycle routes through towns and in my town that just means appropriating pavements.

Mouldyfoodhelp · 03/03/2023 13:47

Babybab · 03/03/2023 13:38

She killed someone.
Sometimes when you’re just a horrible person, you go through life getting away with it. Sometimes you take it too far and someone dies, and then you no longer get away with it.

I think if she was a man people wouldn’t be so surprised by her sentence.

100%

Everyonesinvited · 03/03/2023 13:47

ClimbingRoseBush · 03/03/2023 13:44

The judge specifically said she does not have cognitive issues. The poster just made that up.

It has been reported that she does and her barrister explained that she finds it very difficult to express remorse verbally.

DesertRose64 · 03/03/2023 13:47

Untitledsquatboulder · 03/03/2023 13:37

As far as I'm aware she has no cognitive issues

It has been widely reported that she does.

I’m confused about this. Can you link to where it’s been reported pls.

JudgeJ · 03/03/2023 13:48

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OneTC · 03/03/2023 13:48

Redebs · 03/03/2023 13:47

The path is far too narrow for a cycle way. It's very alarming to have a bike being ridden towards you on a pavement. Not everyone has the balance and agility to suddenly step sideways and I think she was in fear. The bike couldn't have safely passed her anyway.
Horrible tragedy.
Councils get money for making cycle routes through towns and in my town that just means appropriating pavements.

If your reaction to minor threat is to attack someone you belong in jail, or more appropriate custody

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 13:48

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:35

Found this upthread.

''Judge Sean Enright, sentencing Grey, said her "Actions are not explained by disability”. He said that Grey, of Huntingdon, had no mental disorder or learning difficulties

That doesn't sound like she had cognitive issues to me.

That's because that poster omitted the paragraph before where mentioned her cognitive issues.

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:49

Everyonesinvited · 03/03/2023 13:46

She doesn't have the cognitive capacity to express regret in the normal way.

Perhaps she could have expressed it by pleading guilty and saying "Sorry".

creekingmillenial · 03/03/2023 13:49

I do think it was manslaughter but I don’t think she should go to jail because
a) it’s not at all clear that cyclists were supposed to be there
b) being partially sighted and physically disabled means she was less able to just move out of the way. The pavement wasn’t really wide and I think there is a reasonable argument that actually it was partially caused by the cyclist/unsafe layout by local authority.
c) she didn’t “push her into the road”

However it wasn’t purely an accident as she shouted aggressively at her.

I have a disabled relative and can imagine them being afraid and shouting so I am a little biased but I also cycle regularly. More fault should be being put on the local authority.

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