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To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

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Finnyfanjango · 03/03/2023 11:47

I’m interested to hear the thoughts and reactions of others as to me given her cognitive issues and the fact she is partially blind, it just seems like such a sad accident, I can’t see why she was jailed.
I think what she did was awful, but it surely just highlights the lack of appropriate social care she clearly needed?

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MichelleScarn · 03/03/2023 13:22

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 12:15

Yet another person who doesn’t understand what manslaughter is and arrogantly thinks they know better than the people who have actually seen all the evidence

Absolutely this.

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 13:25

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:21

As far as I am aware she has no cognitive issues - and I think a jail sentence was appropriate, but not the length of the sentence. I think her callousness in leaving the scene went against her - it was a horrible and uncaring thing to do. She must have known what happened - apparently she looked back and saw it. Did she think that there would be no repercussions?. However cyclists have hurt and even killed pedestrians in the past and haven't received custodial sentences, so I think hers is harsh.

The cyclist was at least 50% responsible for the accident. Both seemed to have had plenty of time to take evasive action/move out of the way/ stop - neither did. Auriol Grey ought not to have waved her hands so aggressively that she accidentally struck the cyclist; the cyclist ought not to have been riding at such a speed towards her.

I firmly believe that pavements are for pedestrians, and that cyclists should dismount and push their bikes if it is necessary for them to use them unless is is a designated shared pavement. Pedestrians are often injured by cyclists, most of whom don't take responsibility, but just ride off.

It was a dreadful thing to happen - but TBH the person I feel most sorry for is the driver of the car involved.

As far as I am aware she has no cognitive issues

The judge confirmed that she has cognitive issues.
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MajorCarolDanvers · 03/03/2023 13:27

Her actions caused the death of a woman (that's the definition of manslaughter.
She then left the scene before emergencies services arrived.
The judge said "These actions are not explained by disability."
She showed no remorse until her sentencing.
Don't forgot the other victim - the driver of the car - who will be affected all her life by this too.

I am satisfied that jail and the length of her sentence is entirely proportionate.

bonjello · 03/03/2023 13:27

She killed someone

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:28

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 13:25

As far as I am aware she has no cognitive issues

The judge confirmed that she has cognitive issues.
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Then I am now aware that she has. Thank you.

The little I have read previously indicated that she did NOT have cognitive issues.

Schoolprotest · 03/03/2023 13:28

IamMoiraRose · 03/03/2023 12:49

She belongs in prison and should stay there. Thankfully the disability card didn't work and she was held accountable for her actions.

Disability card. It must be nice to live in an able bodied bubble. Been so long I’ve forgotten what that’s like.

XelaM · 03/03/2023 13:29

Did none of those saying she "pushed" the cyclist watch the video that's available in every online newspaper? She didn't push her. She waved her arms telling her to get off the pavement. It was an accident.

steff13 · 03/03/2023 13:31

XelaM · 03/03/2023 13:29

Did none of those saying she "pushed" the cyclist watch the video that's available in every online newspaper? She didn't push her. She waved her arms telling her to get off the pavement. It was an accident.

She admitted she made contact with the cyclist.

Supersimkin2 · 03/03/2023 13:31

She didn’t push the cyclist. She waved him away. Ludicrous sentence. The car driver killed him.

Skodacool · 03/03/2023 13:31

SouthCountryGirl · 03/03/2023 12:01

Yes it is

She did not push her

OneTC · 03/03/2023 13:32

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:28

Then I am now aware that she has. Thank you.

The little I have read previously indicated that she did NOT have cognitive issues.

The judge only mentioned them in the style of "your issues have no bearing on the case"

Skodacool · 03/03/2023 13:32

Supersimkin2 · 03/03/2023 13:31

She didn’t push the cyclist. She waved him away. Ludicrous sentence. The car driver killed him.

‘Her’

steff13 · 03/03/2023 13:32

Supersimkin2 · 03/03/2023 13:31

She didn’t push the cyclist. She waved him away. Ludicrous sentence. The car driver killed him.

The cyclist was a woman. The pedestrian's actions cause the cyclist to fall into the path of an oncoming car. Unless you know something the judge and jury don't?

DesertRose64 · 03/03/2023 13:33

IClaudine · 03/03/2023 12:16

I am really on the fence with this one tbh. If she actually pushed the cyclist then it is pretty clear cut. The fact that she left the scene is also not in her favour, what sort of person does that?

Someone who knows what they’ve done and are taking flight rather than stay where they are and face the consequences.

She’s an appalling human being and I would put money on her being a bully who hides behind her disabilities in order to get away with nastiness.

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:35

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 13:25

As far as I am aware she has no cognitive issues

The judge confirmed that she has cognitive issues.
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Found this upthread.

''Judge Sean Enright, sentencing Grey, said her "Actions are not explained by disability”. He said that Grey, of Huntingdon, had no mental disorder or learning difficulties

That doesn't sound like she had cognitive issues to me.

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 13:36

XelaM · 03/03/2023 13:29

Did none of those saying she "pushed" the cyclist watch the video that's available in every online newspaper? She didn't push her. She waved her arms telling her to get off the pavement. It was an accident.

Yet a jury with access to far more information than you have, decided she was guilty of manslaughter. But you know better?

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 03/03/2023 13:36

Supersimkin2 · 03/03/2023 13:31

She didn’t push the cyclist. She waved him away. Ludicrous sentence. The car driver killed him.

Seriously?

'Him'? The cyclist was a 77 year old woman called Celia Ward and she was killed by the actions of Auriol Grey.

Untitledsquatboulder · 03/03/2023 13:37

As far as I'm aware she has no cognitive issues

It has been widely reported that she does.

Pfeiffle · 03/03/2023 13:37

It’s a difficult one. Very sad case. I’m more unsure about this than I was yesterday.

After reading some reports yesterday I felt that a custodial sentence was very harsh. I was also surprised that the judge didn’t believe the woman’s disabilities were a mitigating factor. The video footage of the pedestrian walking shows a woman who looks stiff and a bit unsteady on her feet. Added to that, she has sight impairment. It’s also worth remembering that this happened in October 2020: cyclists, runners, walkers galore getting frustrated with one another.

However a poster mentioned on the other thread about this case that the pedestrian admitted she may have had some physical contact with the cyclist. This alters the picture and does make the pedestrian seem more involved in the cyclist’s death.

Untitledsquatboulder · 03/03/2023 13:38

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 13:35

Found this upthread.

''Judge Sean Enright, sentencing Grey, said her "Actions are not explained by disability”. He said that Grey, of Huntingdon, had no mental disorder or learning difficulties

That doesn't sound like she had cognitive issues to me.

Sounds to me like the judge made a decision not based on the facts.

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 13:38

Supersimkin2 · 03/03/2023 13:31

She didn’t push the cyclist. She waved him away. Ludicrous sentence. The car driver killed him.

Her

and yet a jury who had access to all the information deemed her guilty of manslaughter. But you somehow know better?

and to blame the car driver is appalling!

2bazookas · 03/03/2023 13:38

to me given her cognitive issues and the fact she is partially blind, it just seems like such a sad accident, I can’t see why she was jailed.

She was sentenced because an experienced judge with full access to her back ground reports, her medical history, the police reports, the decision by CPS to prosecute; who saw her performance in court, and heard the witnesses evidence, decided

"These actions are not explained by disability."

Det Sgt Mark Dollard, of Cambridgeshire Police, said "What is clear is Grey's response to the presence of Celia on a pedal cycle was totally disproportionate and ultimately found to be unlawful, resulting in Celia's untimely and needless death."

Babybab · 03/03/2023 13:38

She killed someone.
Sometimes when you’re just a horrible person, you go through life getting away with it. Sometimes you take it too far and someone dies, and then you no longer get away with it.

I think if she was a man people wouldn’t be so surprised by her sentence.

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 13:38

Untitledsquatboulder · 03/03/2023 13:38

Sounds to me like the judge made a decision not based on the facts.

The facts they had access to and you haven’t seen? Judges and juries will see far more facts than you can Google.

IClaudine · 03/03/2023 13:39

I wonder what happened at the original trial? Did the jury fail to reach a verdict? This was a retrial.

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