To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

So police camera catching someone doing 100mph on an empty road, no charges as no one else about?

Wilful fire raising on an empty building? Nahh no one hurt so fine?

AG pushing Celia on to the road, car there ir not would still likely have caused Celia the injuries that AGs supporters are saying are justifiable for her actions (fear of being knocked into and injury) so she still would and should have been charged for assault and causing injury.

Any excuses people have tried to make for AG are awful.

I saw one article where some distant relative tried to claim AG had only left the scene because a guy who turned up said 'come on love, you'd better go, you don't want to see what's happened.'

Well- yeah. Any normal person arriving at such a horrific scene would NOT assume that a pedestrian had caused it! They're hardly going to say 'I bet you did this- you'd better wait here for the cops to arrest you!'

The same article also described the poor car driver standing outside her car just screaming and screaming. Imagine the horror, in busy traffic, of realising you've hit someone, probably even in the moment wondering if it was your fault, imagine the horrific thoughts that would scroll through your head. And that poor driver spoke about how the crime affected her marriage and her parenting and how she's now got PTSD.

AG is an absolute piece of s* who's caused untold grief through her vile aggression. I'm glad she's in prison - not just to protect anyone else from her but it's also a stark reminder that if you are someone who doesn't control their actions and something horrendous happens as a consequence, you're only going to make the situation worse by lying, denying, putting the family through the added trauma of a court case (not to mention the public funding spent on it) and basically not owning what you've done, even in the face of hard evidence. AG would most likely have got a suspected sentence if she'd not been a fucking liar who showed zero remorse. She'd still be a dreadful person for what she did but at least it would have shown an iota of responsibility. Absolutely right that she's in prison and I just wish it were for longer.

I've watched the CCTV
She started waving her arms then swearing 3 seconds before they came into contact. She had time to take about 6 paces. ie. she recognized the cyclist as such seconds in advance, and when they were more than 10 metres apart. As such, her being partially sighted is utterly relevant.
She was also walking fairly quickly and unaided and did not appear to be in any way physically frail. While she may have cerebral palsy it is also irrelevant to her guilt or sentencing. She does not have an intellectual disability. Half the population are of less than average intelligence. That doesn't excuse them of responsibility for their actions.
The path was 2.4 metres wide. That's 8 feet - enough to allow 3 feet for each person, a foot between them, and a foot safety margin with the kerb. It was shared use path, and the cyclist had every right to use it. The Disability Discrimination Act recommends that a minimum of 1.2m width of footway should be kept free of obstructions. But the path in question was twice this width. It was not narrow.
All of the above are just excuses and apologism.
She turned her body, extended her arm and made physical contact (which she has admitted), the cyclist then immediately lurched to her right, in the direction that a shove would have propelled her and fell into the road. This indicates a significant momentum transfer. i.e. a push/shove. The reason she turned her body was clearly to shove harder.
But for her actions, the cyclist would not have died Therefore, she directly caused the cyclist's death. She also apparently showed very little remorse. She may not have intended to kill her, but that's why it's correctly classed as manslaughter, not murder. 3 years for manslaughter is a very light sentence. It seems unduly lenient to me. If a man had done this to a child, the sentence would have been far longer, yet she is just as guilty.

It didn't happen out of frame, you're just watching a shortened video of the incident.

@rambunctiousSlug excellent post.

Where are the admins in all of this? How do you report a thread?
I know the driver and also know of the victims family ( through my family) and the comments on here are disgraceful.
Whether she meant to cause the death, she did and both the victims family and the driver have been put in a situation no one should ever face.

I agree, some of the posts on this thread are absolutely shameful.

Anyone who thinks that a 77-old deserves to die for cycling on a pavement needs their fucking head examining.

@BrigitteBond , your callous attitude - no doubt fuelled by gorging on the Daily Mail - will unfortunately lead to more injuries and deaths, as they will encourage people see cyclists as 'fair game'. This isn't a game, and your posts on this thread don't exist in a vacuum. People read and form attitudes based on them.

Still, they're only cyclists, so they don't count, do they?

Nah, fuck that, she's a cyclist.

Eh, @BrigitteBond ?

I have no connection and it’s still hard to see. I’m
very sorry for the family, Celia Ward and the driver and all impacted

@Carlotta367 absolutely. It's sickening to read the spite and the victim blaming. So much hatred for an innocent lady. So many posters should ashamed of themselves.

At the bottom of each post there is a report button. Click on this and explain that you want the whole thread deleted and your reasons why. I'm so sorry for the family's loss. May Celia rest in peace x

She's been made a scapegoat, no way should she have been sent to prison. Drink drivers get less. If it had been a young male the sentence would have been very different.

A scapegoat for what?

@lollipoprainbow you need to educate yourself about how sentencing works. She was convicted of manslaughter and the fact she left the scene, lied in her police interviews and showed no remorse for her actions have contributed to her sentence. Any sentence takes sentencing guidelines into account.

She has rightfully been put in prison for her criminal actions. She's not a scapegoat, she's a fucking criminal.

@Carlotta367 I am so sorry for the loss of Celia and agree that the disgusting defence of AG by some is repugnant. @lollipoprainbow you've just seen what carlotta and others are saying and still chime in with sympathy in AGs favour?!
Fucking hell.

@freyamay74 there are plenty of worse crimes that don't get anywhere near that ridiculous sentence, community service would have been more appropriate. She clearly has learning difficulties/autism hence the lack of remorse/empathy. Now the papers are having a fine time digging into her personal life. Disgusting.

AG isn’t on the autism spectrum - where on earth are you getting that from? She also doesn’t have an intellectual disability.

Can you give me a list of worse crimes than pushing a 77-year old lady in front of a car, causing her death, that have received lower sentences? Serious question.

Maybe the lack of remorse isn’t because of a disorder, maybe, it’s exactly as it seems at face value and she’s just vile

@lollipoprainbow thanks for the further clarification that you're making things up and stating them as if they're fact.

She means the Daily Fail. Oracle of all knowledge 🙄
Clearly as intelligent as she is spiteful.

There seems to be some doubt over what 'action' was actually taken though. To me a few harsh words and gestures are pretty low on the scale. Physical assault is something different though.

To be clear, assault, in law, doesn't need to be physical. Assault is 'any act (and not mere omission to act) by which a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence'.

So you might call it just some gesticulation and swearing, but if I was Celia, cycling along, and a woman was swearing at me and gesticulating and then flung her arm out at me in very close quarters, whether or not she touched me I'd be concerned she was about to hit me the moment her arm started to move, and I'd say it's very hard to argue that AG wasn't being reckless at the least, intentional at the worst, to the fact that her actions would make CW think she was about to be harmed. That's enough and isn't particularly 'low on the scale' in my eyes.

No one has a right to 'gesticulate and swear' at other people and make them fear violence, no matter how stressed they are, what conditions they have, or what moral stance they have about bikes on pavements.

Cerebral palsy does not affect intelligence. It can cause problems judging depth, size, distance, etc, which might be relevant when it comes to actual contact having been made with the cyclist - increases the chance it was accidental, not deliberate. No idea if this was an issue affecting Ariol Grey, though, and either way, she showed no remorse.

It’s nuts how many apologists there have been for AG. People stating that she has an intellectual disability (learning disability in the UK) when the judge said she didn’t. Claiming that the arm movements were stereopathies, spasms when they weren’t. Claiming that she was scared of the cyclist when she approached the cyclist, rather than retreating. Stating that her lack of remorse, black and white thinking is because of autism (no evidence).

Posters also inferring that the modifications in her house are supportive of an intellectual disability (they’re not) and that COVID restrictions impacted her thinking (no evidence, and she did the opposite of social distancing).

Also - what does “partially blind” mean in this context? As a pp noted she could see the cyclist easily - plenty of time to gesticulate and swear at her. My DH is “partially blind” without spectacles, he’s fine with them.

Poor sentencing for other crimes doesn't mean that this one should be dragged down to their level. Their sentences should be extended, not used as a reduced benchmark. She committed a crime which caused the death of another person. Custody is entirely appropriate. If they appeal it and it gets reduced I'll accept it, but I don't think 3 years for causing the death of someone is particularly harsh in the grand scheme of things.

It has been reported that she does not have learning difficulties or autism, so perhaps you ought to stop diagnosing over the internet. Acting like a twat does not equate to 'clearly' having ASD or LDs.