To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

The average user is a local person who doesn’t need signs to know it’s a shared space.

Can’t get over that weed selling case btw. She bloody well did know!!

Well she was clearly in the wrong from a 'use of footpath' point of view. But the punishment for that shouldn't be to end up dead.

However, sometimes that's exactly what happens when you ignore the rules and it's not the fault of the other people involved. I'm not saying that's the case here.

The cyclist didn’t cause a death by her actions. And she didn’t pass too close on the wrong side if you look at the video.
Greys actions were completely uncalled for and caused another persons death. She is a danger to society behaving like that and got the sentence she deserved.

No of course not. It’s a terrible, terrible incident. AG should absolutely be in jail.

It’s interesting that this was a retrial and the jury reached a verdict quite quickly whereas the first jury couldn’t agree. Was there new evidence between the two?

Can someone also link me to the weed case please, I haven’t been on here for a while!

She passed on the wrong side, and the gap was too small. She had the option to give way, or even just to slowly pull off the kerb and on to the road and wait for a gap in traffic. Her failure to do so shouldn't have resulted in her death though.

Cambridge guidelines for shared spaces do say that you should pass on the left like you're traffic.

They also make it pretty clear that pedestrians should remain calm around cyclists though and if in doubt stand still and let them pass

ok.

So let's say it wasn't this woman. It was a different woman pushing a pram with a toddler holding onto the side.

Let's say the toddler gesticulated and shouted out to the cyclist?? As toddlers do and push out sometimes.

Same end result. Would we all be sat here blaming the toddler or would be saying that a cyclist shouldn't have been heading towards a rogue toddler at speed cycling on a pavement? (which it clearly is, not a bike way!)

It really doesn't matter. The end result is the same tragic one sadly.

But I still stand by what I said. Cyclist should not have been on the pavement. End of.

This is exactly where I sit with it too. I've watched the video and unless I've seen a heavily edited version I can't see where anyone is pushed or shoved into the road?

You can see it enough certainly on most of the videos I've seen, but it helps to full screen the video on a monitor rather than phone screen and scrub through it slowly at the point they pass because there isn't a clear video of her planting her hand on her.

You don't see her hand make contact, you do see her hand hesitate and her feet change pace, her arm travel up, her weight shifted forwards, her her arm come back into frame, all at precisely the correct timing for Celia's front wheel to suddenly turn off the pavement (despite already having passed her) and then twist and fall as if force had been exerted on the shoulder closest to Auriol.

Add the context of her swearing, and maintaining her position that Celia shouldn't have been on the pavement, and the admission of contact, and even if you can only sort of see a push, it's enough for me and plenty of others to feel confident that based on the footage, context, and understanding of human motion, that she pushed her enough to knock her off balance, even if lightly.

If she hadn't admitted to contact I might have believed that she just flung her arm out and startled her, but that's by the by, excuse she did.

I don’t agree with a lot of that, but even if I did, as you say it should have resulted in her death…the cause of her death was the behaviour of Grey, she acted like a complete lunatic with a blatant disregard for the safety of those around her and is not safe to be walking the streets. And the fact she went off shopping and about her business normally afterwards is scary.

*because

Should not have resulted in her death

🤣🤣🤣🤣 I know
why bother lieing on MN when no one knows who you are. We do now🥸
she watered the plants too!!!
value99,000 euros.
And she was living with the guy

she’s probably back on here under a new user name
a convincing liar

She wouldn't have been scared of a toddler.

Toddlers can't be held responsible for their actions.

Cyclists see toddlers and a pram and they take more care than around a middle-aged 'weird acting' woman.

Do you know, I’ve just watched the video on sky news Twitter. And it actually does look like she pushed her. Like it really does.

She wasn't cycling at speed which is evident to anyone that's actually watched the video.

A toddler holding onto the side of a pram would likely taken up more space than just one pedestrian, and in any event, the key bit you're missing is the aggression. Auriol Grey wasn't a toddler just flinging her arms about, she was a woman making it abundantly and aggressively clear that she didn't think the bike should be on the path and then took action on that basis. Evasive action is not unexpected if someone has been aggressive toward you. People don't generally flinch out of the way of exuberant toddlers because they don't think they're going to be hurt.

That's the best whataboutery I've seen in a while. Good job.

No, she didn't behave like 'a complete lunatic'. She behaved like many people do, and particularly like they did in 2020. Many people (including me for a while) have behaved very oddly for the last few years.

I expect she was triggered by events - COVID, lawbreaking cyclists, stress of having to go to the supermarket in 2020, etc.

Again, that's reasons, not excuses.

Everyone should take care of everyone.
I agree small children can be erratic, but it’s not for anyone to judge how someone may react to a cyclist, skateboarder whatever coming towards us. We have no idea of strangers vulnerabilities.

If everyone drives, cycles, walks with consideration and care for others on their own parts of the road or pavement that’s as much as can be expected.

Its surprising Cambs made this pavement shared after the lady died. It’s irresponsible to not follow Govn guidelines on width, signage etc. even their own Design guide on new shared pavements state the width should be 3 metres.

but it’s not for anyone to judge how someone may react to a cyclist, skateboarder whatever coming towards us.

Well no it really is, especially where that reaction is disproportionate and results in a needles death.

That's pretty much the whole point of courts isn't it? Deciding if a course of action was appropriate or legal. No one ends up in court following their finest day

Do you know, I’ve just watched the video on sky news Twitter. And it actually does look like she pushed her. Like it really does.

I think it's a bit like a magic picture - once you see it you can't unsee it, but if you haven't seen it then you just think 'what the hell are they on about?'

I didn't see it at all the first couple of times I watched it, but then I full-screened it and zoomed a little and it was very apparent. Now I can't understand how I couldn't see it in the first place.

Apparently there was a longer version of the video shown in court so I assume it isn’t clear whether she shoved her otherwise surely the first jury wouldn’t have failed to reach a verdict?

My point was about the comment that everyone takes more care if there’s a toddler.
I was noting that actually it’s not just toddlers as we have no idea of anyones vulnerabilities, ie it’s not just toddlers ie obvious people.

Should we treat everyone who does bad things as toddler and brush it off as ‘oh well toddlers push/smack/hit/ have tantrum where they wail on the floor so it’s okay that this grown adult acted the same’.
I haven’t seen anything that says she has the mental capacity of a toddler so why would we treat it the same?
I don’t think a toddler would be screaming and F’ing and blinding at the woman either.

@BrigitteBond *No, she didn't behave like 'a complete lunatic'. She behaved like many people do, and particularly like they did in 2020. Many people (including me for a while) have behaved very oddly for the last few years.

I expect she was triggered by events - COVID, lawbreaking cyclists, stress of having to go to the supermarket in 2020, etc.*

Jesus Christ what have I just read.
She did not behave ‘like many people do’!