To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

Or she stuck her hand out and the cyclist still didn't give way and made contact with her.

No she didn't

Have you got any children who you would be willing for Miss Grey to make light contact with next to a main road?

She's not disabled enough for you then?

And then the cyclist fell off and died and AG went to jail for causing it.

Fin

Or she stuck her hand out and the cyclist still didn't give way and made contact with her.

She stuck her hand out when Celia Ward was already partially past her. She put her hand out into her, Celia didn't cycle into her hand.

Yes I think that sums it up really

Oh and she also yelled GET OFF THE FUCKING PAVEMENT in quite an aggressive scary manner. With the intention of getting her to move off the pavement. She did and died. The driver also is a victim her I would argue.

Or she stuck her hand out and the cyclist still didn't give way and made contact with her.

That's the ultimate victim blaming. "It's your fault for not avoiding my assault".

It’s so sad.

Or she was already waving her arms around and the cyclist, who failed to give way and was passing on the wrong side, ride into them.

I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know.

You don't know either so why are you making things up that the court hasn't suggested happened?

Did you even watch the video?

I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know.

You don't know either so why are you making things up that the court hasn't suggested happened?

You can see it in the video! You can see her hesitate until the bike is alongside her and then the moment her arm goes out and then back in! All you can't see is where her arm lands, but you can see where it returns from.

Whilst I wouldn't personally feel comfortable questioning her disability I think if people are going to use it as a defense of her actions then understanding the extent to which it impacts her and her decision making is fair

Of course I did. She was walking really awkwardly and waving her arms around. I can easily see that people think she pushed the bike. But I can also see that she could have been twisting to allow it more space.

You seem to be ignoring that the jury and judge have seen the evidence and the judge's criticism of her, while harsh enough, doesn't rest on these random claims of her behaviour.

Page after page, the same posters are falling over themselves to the point of inventing a narrative, to defend someone who has already been tried and convicted for her actions.

AG hasn't just ended Celia Ward's life, she's destroyed several by her reckless behaviour. The driver who was there at the wrong time, is now suffering from PTSD, her marriage wrecked, her confidence shot to pieces.

If I'd been the cyclist in this situation I wouldn't have thought "oh look at that poor defenceless woman"

I'd be concerned I was just about to get thrashed by the considerably larger, younger person bearing down on me shouting aggressively

She isn’t disabled full stop. The judge said.

Agree, it's infuriating. A woman is DEAD, people are traumatised and still some posters are broken records of 'cyclists shouldn't be on pavements' 'poor killer'...

She wasn't waving her arms as they were passing. But you can see her arm come up and out as she turns towards Celia. How on earth is that creating space? If by space you mean getting Celia out of her space, then sure, she did that.

She isn’t disabled full stop. The judge said.

No, the judge said she didn't have learning difficulties, but there's no question that she has cerebral palsy, is partially sighted, and lives in adapted accommodation - she's disabled, it's just whether those disabilities are relevant to her actions.

Surely the drivers who actually witnessed it with their own eyes would've given statements as to whether she was pushed or not.

Have people all watched the video, yeah? The video where Celia is killed? By this woman pushing her into the road? I don’t understand how people could watch it and vote that AG shouldn’t be in prison.

Of course I did. She was walking really awkwardly and waving her arms around.

She was walking with a slight, but noticeable, limp, not particularly 'really awkwardly' and gesticulating towards the road. She wasn't just waving her arms around. Her motions were entirely context relevant. Had the articles not reported her CP I wouldn't have blinked at them because it's entirely plausible that someone NT and without a physical disability would make almost identical gestures if they thought they were entitled to tell someone off - she was gesturing for Celia to 'get off the fucking pavement'.

I think the court probably did that already. Personally I'm very uncomfortable with this judge's decisions but I accept that he knows the facts and I don't. His apparently unsubstantiated comments about the shared user path do make me question his judgement on other matters though.

It's absolutely unreasonable to state that someone using a path 'should know' that cyclists are allowed to use it when there's nothing at all to suggest that on the ground.

I'm not sure it really matters whether the bike should have been there or not but he obviously thinks that 'she should have known it was allowed' was relevant in some way. There's no reason at all why 'she should have known' and from the reports there's nothing to support the judge's statement that it's a shared path.

I'm not privy to the facts that were heard in court though, so I'm not screaming 'injustice' like some, just mentioning some concerns.

As far as I know she wasn't accused, never mind convicted, of pushing her off the road. If you know different please share your knowledge.