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To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

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Finnyfanjango · 03/03/2023 11:47

I’m interested to hear the thoughts and reactions of others as to me given her cognitive issues and the fact she is partially blind, it just seems like such a sad accident, I can’t see why she was jailed.
I think what she did was awful, but it surely just highlights the lack of appropriate social care she clearly needed?

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BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 17:04

BadNomad · 03/03/2023 16:40

@BrigitteBond See. Here's another one.

Fair enough.

I've just been reading what she's actually reported to have said.

She said she "may have unintentionally put" out her hand to protect herself. Ms Grey believed she had made light contact with Mrs Ward.

GrasstrackGirl · 03/03/2023 17:20

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 17:04

Fair enough.

I've just been reading what she's actually reported to have said.

She said she "may have unintentionally put" out her hand to protect herself. Ms Grey believed she had made light contact with Mrs Ward.

Bear in mind that she was trying to avoid getting in trouble so she may have minimised how much contact there actually was.

Merkins · 03/03/2023 17:21

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 12:23

It wasn't

You need to let the judge know, as he seems to think it IS a shared path. What would he know though, eh?

To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.
AlwaysGinPlease · 03/03/2023 17:22

ItWillWash · 03/03/2023 14:51

Posters were falling over themselves a couple of days ago to condemn a terrified single mother for allowing a few plants to be grown in her shed.

Today, posters are falling all over themselves to make excuses for a woman who literally caused the death of another woman.

I really don't get it?

Mind boggling isn't it 🤦🏻‍♀️

Rhondaa · 03/03/2023 17:23

Merkins · 03/03/2023 17:21

You need to let the judge know, as he seems to think it IS a shared path. What would he know though, eh?

But where were the cycle lane markings, the cycle lane sign? Was the judge just going on anecdotal local evidence that cyclists use it?

I've never heard of a 'shared path' unless it is painted red with distinguished cyclist markings.

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:27

soggydigestives · 03/03/2023 12:08

Well I don't think the cyclist should have been on the pavement in the first place, however, even with cognitive issues and partial blindness, pushing her into the road was wrong. I saw the video footage and even though you don't actually see the lady get run over, for that to have happened she must have realised there was pretty close oncoming traffic, and actions should have consequences.

If youve watched the video, you don't actually see her pushing the cyclist into the road either.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 17:27

Rhondaa · 03/03/2023 17:23

But where were the cycle lane markings, the cycle lane sign? Was the judge just going on anecdotal local evidence that cyclists use it?

I've never heard of a 'shared path' unless it is painted red with distinguished cyclist markings.

There's loads of different types of shared use path layouts. Most of them are pretty subpar, as with most other cycling infra they're poorly planned and often tacked onto existing infra without much thought

This path doesn't seem great but it's also hardly unique.

It's listed on the council website as being bikes separate from traffic and it's likely that a cyclist would know that but a pedestrian might not.

Better markings would lower chances of conflict like this though.

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:30

Merkins · 03/03/2023 17:21

You need to let the judge know, as he seems to think it IS a shared path. What would he know though, eh?

This is the exact spot. How would a cyclist safely pass the people on the pavement in the picture?You don't need to be a judge to see that this pavement is clearly not a shared cycle path by any stretch of the imagination. The cyclist would also have had to leave the road to get onto this piece of pavement.

To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.
OneTC · 03/03/2023 17:32

The cyclist would also have had to leave the road to get onto this piece of pavement.

Why? They could just have easily been coming along the pavement for ages

WeaselCheeks · 03/03/2023 17:32

*But where were the cycle lane markings, the cycle lane sign? Was the judge just going on anecdotal local evidence that cyclists use it?

I've never heard of a 'shared path' unless it is painted red with distinguished cyclist markings.*

It varies around the country. In the area I live in, there's a mix of shared paths segregated by just a painted line (the paths themselves are the same colour), and shared paths that don't have a line at all - just periodic little blue signs indicating it's a shared path.

In Cambridge, IIRC the general policy is not to have marked lanes on shared paths.

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 17:32

Merkins · 03/03/2023 17:21

You need to let the judge know, as he seems to think it IS a shared path. What would he know though, eh?

According to reports the police and the council were unable to provide evidence that it's shared-use and there were no signs indicating that to users. If the judge relied on the fact that it was shared use in determining the sentence length, which it seems he might have as he apparently mentioned it when sentencing, then he's made an error.

Or he could have meant that it's a de facto shared use path - i.e. that it's commonly used by cyclists even though it's not legal to do so.

Blossomtoes · 03/03/2023 17:32

Rhondaa · 03/03/2023 17:23

But where were the cycle lane markings, the cycle lane sign? Was the judge just going on anecdotal local evidence that cyclists use it?

I've never heard of a 'shared path' unless it is painted red with distinguished cyclist markings.

There are two signs indicating a shared path on each side of the road. It’s been shared since the road was built in 1975.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 17:33

How would a cyclist safely pass the people on the pavement in the picture?

Slowly, like the dead lady appeared to have been doing

Clymene · 03/03/2023 17:34

@Catspyjamas17 - my point was really that they're in possession of all known facts of the case - unlike you. And that you have decided they've got it wrong, despite not being in possession of those facts.

The pavement is wide enough to be shared by a BBC film crew and cyclists: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64824436

At 0.32 this video clearly shows the reporter standing on the same bit of pavement with her film crew and a much bigger man than Mrs Ward cycles past at some speed. There's plenty of space.

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:34

OneTC · 03/03/2023 17:27

There's loads of different types of shared use path layouts. Most of them are pretty subpar, as with most other cycling infra they're poorly planned and often tacked onto existing infra without much thought

This path doesn't seem great but it's also hardly unique.

It's listed on the council website as being bikes separate from traffic and it's likely that a cyclist would know that but a pedestrian might not.

Better markings would lower chances of conflict like this though.

Here's the path. The people in the image are standing exactly where Aoriel Grey was standing when she gesticulated. There is no stretch of the imagination that anyone even a judge could think this looks like a shared cycleway. The cyclist would have had to leave the road to get onto this path for a start. Better markings? There are no markings whatsoever. You can't possibly approach this on a bike and think 'oh look, a shared cycleway'.

To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.
AnnoyedFromSlough · 03/03/2023 17:35

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:30

This is the exact spot. How would a cyclist safely pass the people on the pavement in the picture?You don't need to be a judge to see that this pavement is clearly not a shared cycle path by any stretch of the imagination. The cyclist would also have had to leave the road to get onto this piece of pavement.

There are two people walking abreast in that photo, and there is still enough room for a cyclist to pass carefully, with their wheel next to the kerb.

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 17:35

Blossomtoes · 03/03/2023 17:32

There are two signs indicating a shared path on each side of the road. It’s been shared since the road was built in 1975.

I've just explained to you that any signs there now weren't there at the time of this accident. You can literally go to Streetview and check.

Why would you lie about something like that?

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:36

OneTC · 03/03/2023 17:33

How would a cyclist safely pass the people on the pavement in the picture?

Slowly, like the dead lady appeared to have been doing

Come off it. You know that's not the point. It's quite clearly NOT a shared cycleway.

Blossomtoes · 03/03/2023 17:37

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 17:35

I've just explained to you that any signs there now weren't there at the time of this accident. You can literally go to Streetview and check.

Why would you lie about something like that?

And I’ve told you that there are signs there now. This afternoon. How dare you accuse me of lying. If signs have been erected since the accident it confirms that it was a shared path at the time.

AnnoyedFromSlough · 03/03/2023 17:37

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:36

Come off it. You know that's not the point. It's quite clearly NOT a shared cycleway.

How can you tell? There are shared use paths near me that are very similar to that.

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:37

AnnoyedFromSlough · 03/03/2023 17:35

There are two people walking abreast in that photo, and there is still enough room for a cyclist to pass carefully, with their wheel next to the kerb.

Thank god you're not a town planner. You've just failed risk assessment.

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 17:37

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:36

Come off it. You know that's not the point. It's quite clearly NOT a shared cycleway.

The other side of the road is, and it's no better designed.

AnnoyedFromSlough · 03/03/2023 17:38

ShakespearesBlister · 03/03/2023 17:37

Thank god you're not a town planner. You've just failed risk assessment.

I'm not saying it's ideal. I'm saying it's absolutely possible.

Blossomtoes · 03/03/2023 17:38

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 17:37

The other side of the road is, and it's no better designed.

Both sides of the road are.

Clymene · 03/03/2023 17:39

Look at my post posted exactly the same time as yours which proves it's perfectly possible to share that pavement @ShakespearesBlister

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