To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

I'm not making a comment on whether it's a shared route or not as I think that's a complete aside to someone causing the death of someone else for a possibly minor infraction

It confirms no such thing. If the signs are there at all (which I doubt as you've just proved that you're less than truthful), then all it proves is that it's now a shared path, over 2 years after this accident.

Yes dear. They put up special signs that only you can see.

Please tell me how I’ve proved I’m “less than truthful”.

You wrote: There are two signs indicating a shared path on each side of the road. It’s been shared since the road was built in 1975.

That's less than truthful. The signs (if they exist) have been put there in the last 5 months. And neither you, the police or the council have any evidence that it's ever been a shared use path. And with no signs and no order making it shared use its exactly what it looks like - a pavement.

It might not have been a shared pathway. A cyclist may be completely 100% incorrect in being on the pavement.

It's irrelevant, as the law says that it is illegal to take aggressive action that would cause someone to fall into the path of 1.5 tonnes of moving metal.

but lobbing yourself into traffic because of that is hardly a proportional, predictable or understandable response.

The cyclist had no time to consider her response. In a matter of seconds she went from cycling along unmolested to facing someone walking in the middle of the pavement, shouting and swinging their arms aggressively about to being in the road. I think even if there had been no contact at all the pedestrian’s aggressive behaviour could have caused someone to cycle off the pavement out of distraction and alarm. It was very reckless behaviour close to a busy road.

I agree that pushing someone is completely different to unintentionally making contact with them, but not the rest of your post. Expecting drivers and cyclists to be impervious to all distracting or threatening behaviour from other road users is completely unrealistic.

As you say, there’s been no order. If it hadn’t been a shared path, there would have had to be one before the signs went up. I shall go and take pictures of them tomorrow in daylight and tag you when I post them. Once again It’s been shared since the road was built in 1975.

Jude Enright said: “ You resented the presence of an oncoming cyclist
“You are territorial about the pavement, and that is not explained by your disability. This was a shared path for cyclists and pedestrians, I am sure you knew cyclists used the path, and were not taken by surprise.”
Grey expressed no remorse at all until sentencing. None. She didn't care that she killed Celia Ward. She didn't care that she totally traumatised Carla Money who killed Mrs Ward while she had her two year old child in the car.

This is a hideous case. Grey has ruined many people's lives.

The pedestrian probably did commit a public order offence in her angry response to what appeared to be a lawbreaker putting her at risk, but lobbing yourself into traffic because of that is hardly a proportional, predictable or understandable response

@JarByTheDoor how thoroughly disrespectful of you to make that ridiculous comment, she was shoved. Nice attempt at victim blaming though 🙄

The cyclist had no time to consider her response.

In that case, she was cycling too fast for her capabilities, or those of her bike, and for the circumstances. The pedestrian was walking slowly down the centre of the pavement the whole time. Unless you think she was entitled to just assume the pedestrian would step aside?

You don;’t have to have a mental disorder or learning difficulties to have cognitive issues. ME/CFS and long covid are two things that spring to mind.

I’ve thought about this and thought about it. I just could not understand why she was jailed. She didn’t push or touch anyone. Or so it would seem.

Auriol is partly blind, disabled and a woman came towards her on a bike on the pavement. She waved her away and swore at her.

I assumed it was a tragic accident and it’s devastating that the cyclist died. What are you supposed to do when someone comes at you on a bike? Especially if you can’t see that accurately? How would any of us react?

It’s not even been proven that it was a shared path.

However the latest updates including info from the police now say she made light contact with the cyclist so that does make her capable of manslaughter in my view. Terribly sad.

@AlwaysGinPlease I was under the impression that we don't know that she was "shoved". As I clearly said, that part of my post is based on the assumption she wasn't pushed. If she was pushed, obviously it's different.

Sometimes, people do bear some of the responsibility for what happened to them.

I don't ride about expecting having to fend off being attacked

Sometimes, people do bear some of the responsibility for what happened to them.

you're talking about grey going to prison right?

Wonder how many parents would accept it if it was their child riding on the pavement she had caused to career into a car?

I’ve seen the video and it looks like a shove. I suspect the reason it hasn’t been recorded as that happening is it’s just not clear enough that definitely happened. Risk of her getting off if that case was presented and jury couldn’t decide if that happened.

What you mean like that vile creature going to jail, we can agree on that.

And I read somewhere the cyclists deaths were very high during lockdown,
its so sad
our Govn needs better policies in place for road use.

I asked that, none of the AG fans answered.

Let's replace 77 year old cyclist with 11 year old child...see how the posts defending AG come across then...

Regardless of whether the cyclist should or shouldn’t have been on the pavement and whether she was or wasn’t going too fast, she was faced with something that was both unexpected and threatening. I don’t find it unforeseeable or bizarre at all that this could have caused someone to leave the pavement.

I don’t say she was entitled to expect the pedestrian to get out of the way. This is an irrelevancy.

It is obvious that one way or another the pedestrian’s aggression caused her to leave the pavement in an uncontrolled and unplanned manner. That unnecessary and dangerous aggression is what led to this death and I agree with pps that you are victim-blaming.

I don't think she that the issue was high speed but possibly the opposite. She'd ridden up the dropped kerb with her front wheel slightly turned towards the right, intending to pass AG. AG gesticulates/makes contact and she is not going fast enough to control the bike and move onto the road (and keep cycling). The bike falls and her feet become tangled up the frame meaning she can't get up.

To be honest, nobody can really draw any conclusions from the video footage available. We'll all just keep going round in circles.

No, I'm talking about the woman who chose to cycle somewhere that according to most accounts was not, at the time, obviously visibly designated as legal to cycle on, where vulnerable pedestrians who assume it's a pavement might reasonably be predicted to occasionally feel scared and angered by her apparent disregard for the law, and for their safety and comfort. The woman who then responded to the presence of an angry, verbally abusive pedestrian by continuing to cycle directly at her, and then veering off into the road, which she would've noticed was busy if she had minimal situational awareness.

She didn't deserve to die but her choices were a major factor in what happened.

So victim blaming then? Fair enough

Next time someone worries me I'm killing them to be safe