Page 12 | To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

BrigitteBond · 03/03/2023 14:33

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 14:21

Grey admitted making contact @SpeckledlyHen - how hard a contact will have been apparent on the video footage the court saw, and which was rightly not released to the public.

It's the seconds after she fell into the road that aren't available to the public, bit the seconds leading to her falling into the road.

MichelleScarn · 03/03/2023 14:34

80s · 03/03/2023 12:54

Det Sgt Dollard, who interviewed Grey, told BBC Radio Cambridgeshire: "I'll always remember the morning after it occurred obtaining the CCTV and watching it in its entirety.

"In all honesty it's horrific and not appropriate for wider release to the public, but, if it were, then I think a lot of the arguments in relation to appropriate responses would be null and void."

He added that there were "considerations in relation to Auriol Grey's vulnerability" in their investigation.

"A lot of medical records... professional expert evidence was sought and presented to a jury, it's important to note, and with all that, in fact, she was found guilty of an unlawful act and that is why she was convicted," he said.

He said "what [Grey] did was wrong but ultimately that will not bring Celia back", and he did not believe her family "take any pleasure in the fact that a sentence was passed".

"I certainly urge people to think twice about commenting in relation to this case when they're not in possession of all the facts," the detective said.

"I've seen a number of ill-informed comments on various messaging sites as well and it's not helpful to anyone."

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64835197

This just needs repeated again for all the AG sympathisers out there. This is what the judge and jury will have seen and why that sentence was given.

freyamay74 · 03/03/2023 14:34

Auriol Gray 'childlike'?

Jesus, most children wouldn't dream of doing what she did. She's a vicious, unrepentant woman.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotOfMen · 03/03/2023 14:36

@Ihavedogs
On the Cambridgeshire website it states they are not going to divide up, mark out shared pavements
The govn recommendations are to mark out on the ground

Cambs council states there is no priority for peds or cyclists
New law gives priority to pedestrians
Cambs council also aren’t abiding by th3 recommended minimum width of shared pavements.
So it’s Camb council who are making these decisions.
If you live locally I would complain to your mp.
You shouldn’t have to be stuck at home if you’re too scared to walk the streets

bellswithwhistles · 03/03/2023 14:37

freyamay74 · 03/03/2023 14:34

Auriol Gray 'childlike'?

Jesus, most children wouldn't dream of doing what she did. She's a vicious, unrepentant woman.

? She's almost certainly autistic. Their brains work differently.

I honestly believe the cyclist was 100% at fault. Simply should not have been cycling along a narrow pavement having seen that a pedestrian up ahead hadn't moved to one side to accommodate you. Should have got off her bike and pushed it calmly down that narrow section.

If woman is autistic, she will simply see things as 'black and white - ie shouting get off the pavement because you're not supposed to be there. Yes rude/agitated/aggressive. But did she mean to kill her?

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/03/2023 14:37

I'd say yes, she's just a nasty bit of work.

The poor young lady that was driving the car has also suffered terribly. Yes it's the DM , if you don't like the DM then don't read it .

Mother who ran over cyclist, 77, who fell into road is 'traumatised'
mol.im/a/11816061

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11816061/Traumatised-mother-ran-cyclist-77-fell-road-says-lifes-ruined.html

Elliania · 03/03/2023 14:38

A couple of other points (and I am most definitely not an expert so this is just my speculating).

When the judge said that he doesn't believe Ms Grey has any mental disorder or cognitive impairment he may be speaking from a legal standpoint. I.e that she is/was competent to stand trial and that she understood the difference between right and wrong. So it's possible that she DOES have some impairments (but it does seem that there are some differing opinions on that) but that these are not considered enough to declare her impaired enough to not face any consequences.

Also the original incident took place in 2020 so I can only assume that this amount of time has allowed for an extensive look by all parties into Ms Grey's medical background and for her to have been thoroughly assessed by professionals whose opinions would have been heard by the jury in order for them to make their decision.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:38

Cambridge is also one of the highest areas of cycling in the UK and there's lots of research to suggest that segregated lanes lead to greater conflict as cyclists assume a free path but pedestrians walk in them anyway. Having no segregation is believed to make everyone a bit more cooperative.

DesertRose64 · 03/03/2023 14:38

bellswithwhistles · 03/03/2023 14:37

? She's almost certainly autistic. Their brains work differently.

I honestly believe the cyclist was 100% at fault. Simply should not have been cycling along a narrow pavement having seen that a pedestrian up ahead hadn't moved to one side to accommodate you. Should have got off her bike and pushed it calmly down that narrow section.

If woman is autistic, she will simply see things as 'black and white - ie shouting get off the pavement because you're not supposed to be there. Yes rude/agitated/aggressive. But did she mean to kill her?

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But she’s not autistic.

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/03/2023 14:39

@bellswithwhistles

Oh nice bit of victim blaming from you. The pavement isn't narrow either. Disgusting comment.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:40

Should have got off her bike and pushed it calmly down that narrow section.

Yeah I'd dismount when someone was approaching me in a threatening manner said no one ever

ReneBumsWombats · 03/03/2023 14:41

bellswithwhistles · 03/03/2023 14:37

? She's almost certainly autistic. Their brains work differently.

I honestly believe the cyclist was 100% at fault. Simply should not have been cycling along a narrow pavement having seen that a pedestrian up ahead hadn't moved to one side to accommodate you. Should have got off her bike and pushed it calmly down that narrow section.

If woman is autistic, she will simply see things as 'black and white - ie shouting get off the pavement because you're not supposed to be there. Yes rude/agitated/aggressive. But did she mean to kill her?

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Of course she didn't mean to kill her. That's why the charge was manslaughter and not murder.

GrasstrackGirl · 03/03/2023 14:42

ReneBumsWombats · 03/03/2023 14:41

Of course she didn't mean to kill her. That's why the charge was manslaughter and not murder.

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Exactly, why aren't people understanding this?

AnnoyedFromSlough · 03/03/2023 14:44

I honestly believe the cyclist was 100% at fault

Well, the evidence and the legal experts must believe otherwise. Including Grey's own lawyer, who is appealing the sentence but not the verdict.

ALotLikeYou · 03/03/2023 14:45

But did she mean to kill her?

No. And that’s why she’s jailed for manslaughter and not murder.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:45

A verdict has to be unsafe in some way to appeal it.

A lack of appeal of the verdict indicates it's sound.

They'll get a reduction on the sentence imo

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 14:46

Everyonesinvited · 03/03/2023 14:21

I disagree with the judge. He seems harshly unaware of how cognitive issues might result in a different perception and response to others. He also ignored her probation officer who described her as childlike and not a danger. What's the point of getting a probation officer's report, only to ignore it?

What this case lacked was expert opinion from psychologists on both sides.

How do you know they didn’t have that?

as ever, the jury will have seen far more than you did!

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 14:47

Everyonesinvited · 03/03/2023 14:26

She needed a full psychological work up, a diagnosis and then an appraisal from both sides, not an expert witness.

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How do you know what the jury saw?

JassyRadlett · 03/03/2023 14:48

Redebs · 03/03/2023 14:06

Pedestrians do get killed by bikes and a fall for an older person often means broken hip

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Isn't the number of pedestrians killed by bikes on pavements vanishingly small though - fewer than ten in the last 15-20 years?

The number of pedestrians killed by motor vehicles on pavements is much higher (let alone the number of cyclists and pedestrians killed on roads.)

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 14:50

GrasstrackGirl · 03/03/2023 14:42

Exactly, why aren't people understanding this?

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It’s like banging your head against a brick wall. So many people with no understanding but firm opinions!

ItWillWash · 03/03/2023 14:51

Posters were falling over themselves a couple of days ago to condemn a terrified single mother for allowing a few plants to be grown in her shed.

Today, posters are falling all over themselves to make excuses for a woman who literally caused the death of another woman.

I really don't get it?

ACynicalDad · 03/03/2023 14:51

If a cyclist is killed by a car the sentence is way less than this.

ILiveAt64ZooLane · 03/03/2023 14:52

Finnyfanjango · 03/03/2023 11:47

I’m interested to hear the thoughts and reactions of others as to me given her cognitive issues and the fact she is partially blind, it just seems like such a sad accident, I can’t see why she was jailed.
I think what she did was awful, but it surely just highlights the lack of appropriate social care she clearly needed?

Maybe if you had seen all the evidence you would think differently.

Sugarfree23 · 03/03/2023 14:52

freyamay74 · 03/03/2023 14:34

Auriol Gray 'childlike'?

Jesus, most children wouldn't dream of doing what she did. She's a vicious, unrepentant woman.

That's my thoughts she might be 'childlike' but she must be adult enough to know right from wrong and be responsible for her own actions. The age for criminal responsibility is about 10.

The lady who was killed was 77? And looked to be a slightly built woman. Being intimated by a much larger much younger woman.

If it was a man who'd intimated her causing death people would be up in arms if they got off with it

bellswithwhistles · 03/03/2023 14:53

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/03/2023 14:39

@bellswithwhistles

Oh nice bit of victim blaming from you. The pavement isn't narrow either. Disgusting comment.

Well I don't know what video you're watching but the fact it's narrow is the first thing that's apparent. It's very narrow.

Cyclist should not have been on the pavement - full stop.

If you're in control of either a car or a bike, you're supposed to look ahead and judge the conditions/whether it's safe to continue. (that's irrespective of the fact she shouldn't have even been on the bloody pavement)

Let's be honest - if the victim was a young lad in his 20's cycling towards a disabled woman you'd all be saying it was 100% his fault. It just doesn't suit when it's a 77 yr old nice old lady (being verbally abused by someone who's been decided to be not nice)