To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

She has cerebral palsy and behaves more like a child than a 49 year old. CP also often comes cognitive issues. As well as her being partially sighted. OP is right about it being lack of support for her need's. I'm a mum of a disabled son and daughter who need a carer with them 24/7. But I know a lot of young people with LD and they don't realise how vulnerable they are. The weekend before last a young disabled woman in our area was murdered.

That's not an acceptable thing to do! Shame on you! If someone is a danger to others through disability we deal with that in a medical, not a punitive way. I presume you don't want a return to the days of asylums where mad and wicked were conflated and straight jackets were the answer for everything? No matter what someone has done, they always deserve accomodations for disability, not punishment unless they are found to be deserving of it.

She did not push her into the road, she gesticulated her hands and told her to get off the path.

I disagree with the judge. He seems harshly unaware of how cognitive issues might result in a different perception and response to others. He also ignored her probation officer who described her as childlike and not a danger. What's the point of getting a probation officer's report, only to ignore it?

What this case lacked was expert opinion from psychologists on both sides.

Grey admitted making contact @SpeckledlyHen - how hard a contact will have been apparent on the video footage the court saw, and which was rightly not released to the public.

@Everyonesinvited I'm sorry but no disability is grounds for murder which is what this lady has done (sadly prosecuted as manslaughter). She should be Rampton if she can't manage the normal prison estate. I think this proves managing cases like this in the community don't work. How would you feel if this was your child pushed into the road

The police said that extensive use of expert witnesses were made

You are imagining if you did it, not if someone compromised by CP cognitive issues did it. I doubt she was fully aware of what she had done or the appropriate response.

Why did the judge make a decision on how disability might or might not affect her without hearing expert opinion?

I think there will be a successful appeal on this basis.

It's the correct decision -she should be rightfully jailed.

Her actions lead to an innocent owns death. The lack of remorse and denial is shocking.

Not the same thing.

You don't know exactly what happened as all the evidence hasn't been released. The jury were clearly persuaded that she was responsible and therefore found her guilty. Speculation without the facts is dangerous and pointless.

You're the first to suggest it was murder.

The kind of person who is neurodiverse and 'childlike', as described by her probation officer. My opinion is she needs to be cared for in a home and shouldn't be in prison. Next time she goes shopping she should be with a carer.

An absolute tragedy in this case.

When considering cyclists on pavements though, on average more than 140 pedestrians a year are killed or seriously injured by cyclists.

Bikes and pedestrians don't mix and if measures had been taken to prevent this in this case, the horrible event would not have occurred.

Childlike?

Shouting "Get off the fucking pavement!" whilst walking towards the cyclist and gesticulating, then touching the cyclist before she fell into the road.

Thankfully the judge said no disabilities excused what Grey did.

It depends really whether Ms Grey has a significant cognitive impairment. The judge said she has no mental disorder or learning difficulties, and maybe she has never been diagnosed with these, but her behaviour and demeanor don't suggest a normal function.

She needed a full psychological work up, a diagnosis and then an appraisal from both sides, not an expert witness.

@Everyonesinvited maybe in this thread, but certainly not on others about it or on social media.

So maybe you could answer the question as you see fit to pick and choose...if it was a child she pushed in front of the car ...would you still defend her?

What makes you think this didn't happen?

She had the best defense in the land, a specialist in defending vulnerable clients. I'm sure they know what their doing and this was the best they could manage

*they're

I suspect there will have been background and medical reports done in order to establish facts about her life and her level of difficulties and because of the information contained in those reports the judge was able to discount the supposed cognitive difficulties as being a contributing factor in what happened. He’s much more aware of the facts regarding Ms Grey than we are.

The woman is obviously acting in self righteous indignation when she shouts "get off the fucking pavement". She is certain she is 'correct'. I would place money upon her being autistic. I have an autistic adult son and recognise the over-application of rules and the inappropriate policing of those 'breaking the rules'.

That said, she should have been tried for manslaughter and I have no problem with the sentence. Despite having a disabled adult son. I also have a 13 year old daughter, and it could have been her cycling there, intimidated or pushed into the path of a car.

Would people still feel the same if it had been a young teen rather than a retired lady who died?

They do suggest the normal function of a nasty piece of work which I suspect she is.