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To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

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Finnyfanjango · 03/03/2023 11:47

I’m interested to hear the thoughts and reactions of others as to me given her cognitive issues and the fact she is partially blind, it just seems like such a sad accident, I can’t see why she was jailed.
I think what she did was awful, but it surely just highlights the lack of appropriate social care she clearly needed?

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PuddlesPityParty · 03/03/2023 14:03

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 13:53

The car driver has escaped without consequence. Do you think she should have been convicted of something as well?

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The driver didn’t do anything wrong and they’re going to have to live with the trauma of this for the rest of their lives. Don’t be such an absolute twat, it’s unbecoming.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 03/03/2023 14:04

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 13:53

The car driver has escaped without consequence. Do you think she should have been convicted of something as well?

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The car driver did not 'cause' the death.

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 14:04

The car driver did not 'cause' the death.

Technically they did - though they were not at fault.

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 14:05

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 13:58

You conveniently left out the post I quoted @FloydPepper I'm not suggesting they should be convicted of anything. As a driver if someone falls into your path sometimes you can't stop, even if you are going at an appropriate speed for the road.

However, @OneTC made the comment that I don't think anyone should be able to cause the death of another person and escape without some consequence. Never imagined that would be a controversial view on Mumsnet which is pretty Law and Order on the whole.

I was showing there are clearly circumstances, even within this individual case, where someone causes someone else's death and is not convicted of a crime.

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The word is causes. The driver caused nothing

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 14:05

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 14:04

The car driver did not 'cause' the death.

Technically they did - though they were not at fault.

I think you need to learn what causes means…

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 14:06

The word is causes. The driver caused nothing.

@FloydPepper

The car they were in control of ran over the cyclist. They did cause the death, though it wasn't their fault.

Redebs · 03/03/2023 14:06

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:01

It happens every day thousands of times everywhere with no one dying.

Unlike forcing someone into traffic

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Pedestrians do get killed by bikes and a fall for an older person often means broken hip

Clymene · 03/03/2023 14:07

Elliania · 03/03/2023 13:57

The video that is being shown in the media is not the full video. The investigating officer said this "Det Sgt Dollard, who interviewed Grey, told BBC Radio Cambridgeshire: "I'll always remember the morning after it occurred obtaining the CCTV and watching it in its entirety.

"In all honesty it's horrific and not appropriate for wider release to the public, but, if it were, then I think a lot of the arguments in relation to appropriate responses would be null and void."" So it does sound like there might be more that the jusry have been privy to that we have not.

The full article is here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64835197

I will also say that having seen the portion of the video that has been released, the cyclist is not going at any great speed and the pedestrian had plenty of room to move closer to the fence away from the road if she was concerned about being hit. It certainly appears that the pedestrian is acting out of anger/annoyance rather than fear.

Yep and the reporter in the video in that article is standing on the very same pavement, with a whole film crew! and a big bloke cycles past in the other direction and doesn't slow down at all.

The pavement was plenty wide enough.

PuddlesPityParty · 03/03/2023 14:08

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 14:04

The car driver did not 'cause' the death.

Technically they did - though they were not at fault.

Technically it was the woman who made contact with the bike causing her to fall into the road. You are crass and clearly have trouble understanding this concept.

If someone pushed someone else in front of a train, would you say it was the train drivers fault that the person died?

FloydPepper · 03/03/2023 14:08

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 14:06

The word is causes. The driver caused nothing.

@FloydPepper

The car they were in control of ran over the cyclist. They did cause the death, though it wasn't their fault.

I give in

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:08

What a pointless line of argument.

The car running her over and killing her wasn't essential, it's plenty dangerous causing someone to fall off regardless and someone could easily die in such circumstances even in a park

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 14:09

If someone pushed someone else in front of a train, would you say it was the train drivers fault that the person died?

Fault is different from causation legally.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 03/03/2023 14:09

Redebs · 03/03/2023 14:06

Pedestrians do get killed by bikes and a fall for an older person often means broken hip

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The older person in this situation was the poor woman who died. The woman who has all but been forgotten R.I.P Celia Ward

endofthelinefinally · 03/03/2023 14:09

XelaM · 03/03/2023 13:29

Did none of those saying she "pushed" the cyclist watch the video that's available in every online newspaper? She didn't push her. She waved her arms telling her to get off the pavement. It was an accident.

The whole video is not available to the public. The police officer investigating the case says it is too shocking to be seen by the public.

bellswithwhistles · 03/03/2023 14:10

Whiteminnowfish · 03/03/2023 12:01

Is this the lady who pushed the cyclist onto the road and cyclist died?

She didn't push her.

She gesticulated.

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/03/2023 14:10

@bellswithwhistles she admitted she made contact. She pushed her alright. She's a monster.

GrasstrackGirl · 03/03/2023 14:10

BishopRock · 03/03/2023 14:02

"In all honesty it's horrific and not appropriate for wider release to the public, but, if it were, then I think a lot of the arguments in relation to appropriate responses would be null and void."

Ah - there was more CCTV then that we haven't seen.

Of course there would be.

The CCTV doesn't record in spurts, it's 24/7 so the whole incident was captured.

Grumpybutfunny · 03/03/2023 14:11

She should be in prison for life that could have been a child. If she is so disabled she didn't know it was wrong she not safe to be out in society

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotOfMen · 03/03/2023 14:12

Moonicorn · 03/03/2023 13:47

Regret doesn’t affect whether you’re guilty or not, although it rubs salt in the wounds when they appear not to give a damn. Equally she seemed to expect the cyclist to consider her, why can’t she consider other people?

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personal remorse is a deciding factor in sentencing.
IF and I do mean IF ( as I don’t know) she didn’t have the cognitive capacity to express remorse whilst it isn’t a factor in guilt it is in sentencing .

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:13

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/03/2023 14:10

@bellswithwhistles she admitted she made contact. She pushed her alright. She's a monster.

She said she touched her. She said it was a light touch, the only other person who could confirm how light is dead.

Also worth remembering the person saying light touch was trying to not get in trouble for killing someone

Bethany7 · 03/03/2023 14:14

She physically touched the lady who then steered into the road as a result and was killed in a horrendous way. She has also really affected the life of the poor driver too. She then walked away from the crime scene without calling for help or checking the lady. She has also shown no remorse. Irrespective of the last two points, yes she should absolutely be punished for her actions. I'm genuinely flabbergasted at the amount of threads saying otherwise?!?

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotOfMen · 03/03/2023 14:14

Grumpybutfunny · 03/03/2023 14:11

She should be in prison for life that could have been a child. If she is so disabled she didn't know it was wrong she not safe to be out in society

79% of people with autism suffer similar and have no perception of personal space.
Should we stop them from living freely aswell.

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/03/2023 14:16

Catspyjamas17 · 03/03/2023 14:04

The car driver did not 'cause' the death.

Technically they did - though they were not at fault.

Technically they didn't.

The death was "caused" by a cyclist being unexpectedly landing in front of their vehicle. And that was the result of the cyclist being on the same path as an angry Ms Grey whose actions precipitated the fall.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 14:16

If this is normal and understandable behaviour why doesn't it happen all the time?

Eightiesgirl · 03/03/2023 14:17

If she'd pushed or waved her arms around at someone stood on a train platform and they'd fallen onto the tracks because of her doing that, people would be outraged. Yet, doing it to someone by the side of the road is just as bad. She caused this poor woman to become unsteady on her bike and fall into the road. The victim would be alive today if she hadn't verbally assaulted her and waved her arms about or whatever she did. Then to just walk off and casually go and do your shopping, knowing that poor woman was lying fatally injured in the road is disgusting.

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