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To be disgusted at the petty minded cruelty of Robert Jenrick?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 04/07/2023 14:53

Who told workers at an immigration centre to paint over colourful artwork of cartoon characters in an immigration centre accepting children because it was too "welcoming".

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23631952.robert-jenrick-tory-urged-painting-art-asylum-centre-kids/

Tory minister told staff to paint over art for asylum centre kids, charity boss says

A CHARITY boss has claimed that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick told staff at an asylum reception centre to paint over wall art meant to be…

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23631952.robert-jenrick-tory-urged-painting-art-asylum-centre-kids

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Clavinova · 11/07/2023 22:04

Blossomtoes
What would you prefer Clav?

Well, I wouldn't put up 'Welcome to Dover' if official government policy is 'Stop the Boats.'

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2023 22:05

Clavinova · 11/07/2023 22:01

Have the other reception centres been asked to paint over their cartoon murals or just the one in the news report?

Does it matter?

One cruel action is one tioo many

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2023 22:14

Clavinova · 11/07/2023 22:04

Blossomtoes
What would you prefer Clav?

Well, I wouldn't put up 'Welcome to Dover' if official government policy is 'Stop the Boats.'

You would prefer the non welcoming environment like Jenrick?

Mickey Mouse is too welcoming for terrified vulnerable lone children seeking asylum Sad

Clavinova · 11/07/2023 22:17

Does it matter?

Well, it's a bit odd if the 'Mickey Mouse' mural ban was extended to only one reception centre - unless of course there was a valid reason for doing so (i.e. not age appropriate).

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2023 22:19

Clavinova · 11/07/2023 22:17

Does it matter?

Well, it's a bit odd if the 'Mickey Mouse' mural ban was extended to only one reception centre - unless of course there was a valid reason for doing so (i.e. not age appropriate).

It was removed for being too welcoming

Clavinova · 11/07/2023 22:23

DuncinToffee
Mickey Mouse is too welcoming for terrified vulnerable lone children seeking asylum

Why don't you volunteer to help this Kent charity?

5 July 2023
Kent Kindness is a small charity based in West Kent.
We provide lessons in basic English, language and customs, to UASC, Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children, in the two Reception Centres run by the KCC. These are all boys who are either 16 or 17 years of age, and they are fun, polite, keen to learn but not good at getting up in the morning. In fact they are just like teenage boys born here in the UK.
https://www.kelsi.org.uk/news-and-events/news/primary/a-chance-to-volunteer-and-help-some-young-asylum-seekers

Notonthestairs · 11/07/2023 22:23

Jenrick complained the murals and signs were too welcoming. Doesn't matter how they try to spin it now.

Thankfully we do have some decent citizens speaking up -

Something has shifted in the public mood regarding refugees. I've been tweeting about refugees for many years but never before received such an upswell of sympathy, and near universal condemnation of the government's callous approach. Thank U to everyone for your positive tweets!

twitter.com/alfdubs/status/1678861456295567361?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

cakeorwine · 11/07/2023 22:25

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2023 22:19

It was removed for being too welcoming

That was the impression being given last week - and one that was not being denied by the Home Office.

Now it seems the reason was because it was age inappropriate.

It took a while to get that simple explanation out.

Meanwhile, people were getting the impression that Jenrick had ordered the painting over a Disney Mural in a centre for unaccompanied child migrants because he felt it was too welcoming.

And he seemed happy that people thought that of him

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2023 22:27

Clavinova · 11/07/2023 22:23

DuncinToffee
Mickey Mouse is too welcoming for terrified vulnerable lone children seeking asylum

Why don't you volunteer to help this Kent charity?

5 July 2023
Kent Kindness is a small charity based in West Kent.
We provide lessons in basic English, language and customs, to UASC, Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children, in the two Reception Centres run by the KCC. These are all boys who are either 16 or 17 years of age, and they are fun, polite, keen to learn but not good at getting up in the morning. In fact they are just like teenage boys born here in the UK.
https://www.kelsi.org.uk/news-and-events/news/primary/a-chance-to-volunteer-and-help-some-young-asylum-seekers

What does that have to do with the murals being painted over?

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 22:31

DuncinToffee · 11/07/2023 22:27

What does that have to do with the murals being painted over?

Nothing. It’s classic deflection.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/07/2023 22:43

Eveninginparis · 11/07/2023 20:27

Oh dear, this has really got under your skin hasn't it?

I wonder what Liebour can do better??

This Tory government wrecked the UK. My country. Wasting time, money and resources making things shit for everyone in Britain gets under my skin. Of course it does.

Why do you think you think Jenrick's waste and performative cruelty, endorsed by Sunak,Shock is OK @Eveninginparis?Confused

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MrTiddlesTheCat · 11/07/2023 22:49

This was being talked about on the radio earlier. One 'expert' (sorry can't remember who) said that the murals serve a very important function especially for older children who been forced to grow up very quickly. They're part of the process of teaching those teenagers that they are still children despite what they've been through.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/07/2023 23:00

My teenage DS has autism. Familiar images have a massive beneficial effect on him when he's in unfamiliar places.

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jgw1 · 12/07/2023 07:41

Clavinova · 11/07/2023 21:43

DuncinToffee
Would your teenage children be insulted if they saw them in a children's a&e?

They would certainly be insulted if they saw them painted all over the walls of a hospital ward/clinic for teenagers.

The ward for teenagers that I am most familiar with has children on it from the age of 1 month old to 18. Much like the Kent intatke centre is for children of all ages.
Should people on the ward be insulted by the art work which caters for a variety of ages @Clavinova ?

Notonthestairs · 12/07/2023 07:58

Ah so now Jenrick was concerned they were insulting unaccompanied minors - nothing to do with being too welcoming at all.
Not sure how anyone can find colourful signage insulting but there we go.

jgw1 · 12/07/2023 08:01

Notonthestairs · 12/07/2023 07:58

Ah so now Jenrick was concerned they were insulting unaccompanied minors - nothing to do with being too welcoming at all.
Not sure how anyone can find colourful signage insulting but there we go.

I am not familiar with Disneyland, but am now certain that no teenager would ever visit because insulting and But Jeremy Corbyn.

cakeorwine · 12/07/2023 08:09

From Hansard:

"I do not know whether the right hon. Member has been to any of the facilities, but we provide very high-quality facilities for families and children upon immediate arrival in the UK. I have made it a particular focus to ensure that we support those individuals appropriately, ensuring that conditions in those places are decent and compassionate at all times. The cohort of unaccompanied children who passed through the location that he describes last year was largely teenagers. We did not feel that the site was age-appropriate, but it contains a range of support for children and infants, including all the things that he has described. Nothing about the decoration of sites changes the fundamentals: if someone comes to the United Kingdom, we will treat them with decency and compassion at all times."

Yvette Cooper:

The Minister is being pressed on the nature of accommodation or detention that children and young people will be held in. The spirit behind the Minister’s intention matters. Therefore, will he tell us if is it true that he gave orders to the asylum reception centre to paint over children’s cartoons? If so, why? Nobody believes that Mickey Mouse cartoons encourage or deter boats from arriving; they simply think that the Minister is not showing common decency towards vulnerable children.

"I have been clear in answer to the right hon. Member for Leeds Central (Hilary Benn) that we provide very high quality care at all the centres in which we support unaccompanied children. We did not think that the set-up in that particular unit was
age-appropriate, because the majority of the individuals who passed through it unaccompanied last year were teenagers. That does not change the fundamentals that we support with decency and compassion anyone who comes to this country."

Later on:

Stephen Kinnock

I think he genuinely believes the Government’s rhetoric: that this country is being invaded, that people who come here fleeing war, persecution and famine are actually economic migrants on the make, and that outright hostility and denial of their basic human rights is the only way to dissuade them from coming here. So hostile does he want the environment to be, he will not even allow a splash of colour and cartoons on the walls of the family reception centres. It is more than disappointing. It is worrying that the Government’s attitude seems to be that the way to stop people coming here from countries where they are at risk of oppression and human rights abuses is to create an environment that is at least as hostile as the place from which they are fleeing.

Quiverer · 12/07/2023 09:29

We did not think that the set-up in that particular unit was
age-appropriate, because the majority of the individuals who passed through it unaccompanied last year were teenagers. That does not change the fundamentals that we support with decency and compassion anyone who comes to this country

Yet again a Tory minister displays his utter contempt for the electorate. They don't seem to have learnt from the Johnson experience that we are not stupid, we do know when they are lying and, guess what, we're not impressed by it.

Quiverer · 12/07/2023 09:34

Clavinova · 11/07/2023 22:04

Blossomtoes
What would you prefer Clav?

Well, I wouldn't put up 'Welcome to Dover' if official government policy is 'Stop the Boats.'

The thing is, that isn't government policy. They could stop the boats tomorrow by setting up a sensible safe passage system. Given that we do (or should) actually want to comply with our treaty obligations and welcome refugees, particularly child refugees, who need our help, "Welcome to Dover" seems an OK starting point.

jgw1 · 12/07/2023 09:38

Quiverer · 12/07/2023 09:34

The thing is, that isn't government policy. They could stop the boats tomorrow by setting up a sensible safe passage system. Given that we do (or should) actually want to comply with our treaty obligations and welcome refugees, particularly child refugees, who need our help, "Welcome to Dover" seems an OK starting point.

Come on now, we have to have our daily hate. It was the EU, but then we had to stop that as for some reason the public voted to leave. We tried trans for a while, but migrants seem to work far better.

Cornettoninja · 12/07/2023 12:29

Seems the HO also don’t like welcome signs in multiple languages. https://inews.co.uk/news/asylum-centre-mickey-mouse-mural-welcome-signs-foreign-languages-2470151

a caller to radio today made the point that all of this could be less about the asylum seekers themselves and more about creating an atmosphere of de-@humanisation amongst the staff. I hope a couple of posters on here have their CV’s on linked in, they won’t need any costly psychological tricks to ensure that they’re able to put aside their humanity. Couple of history lessons wouldn’t go amiss though.

Asylum centre ordered to remove mural also took down welcome signs in foreign languages

The cartoon murals were painted over last week on the orders of Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick

https://inews.co.uk/news/asylum-centre-mickey-mouse-mural-welcome-signs-foreign-languages-2470151

Quiverer · 12/07/2023 15:05

The latest excuse seems to be that the contractors weren't asked to do this. FFS.

Blossomtoes · 12/07/2023 15:12

Quiverer · 12/07/2023 15:05

The latest excuse seems to be that the contractors weren't asked to do this. FFS.

I thought the staff had painted the murals. Isn’t that now the fourth excuse Jenrick has produced?

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/07/2023 15:26

Blossomtoes · 12/07/2023 15:12

I thought the staff had painted the murals. Isn’t that now the fourth excuse Jenrick has produced?

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Still at least they've realised the Fake news excuse mentioned upthread isn't working.

Con MP Tim Loughton on last night's Newsnight said he thought Jenrick regretted his comments. When asked why he thought that he said that it will follow Jenrick whatever he does in the future.

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