Teachers don't have it as hard as my husband says he does

But he's on 80%! Isn't that rather the point?

I'm 100% teacher. I do fuck all housework FWIW. Occasional light side wiping and a gentle hoover.Odd bit of bin emptying.. Perhaps OP should just let her house get dirty. Saves arguments.

Then maybe just maybe stop bitching about teachers if you know full well you wouldn’t be able to cope doing it

@Butchyrestingface ...nailed it!

He sounds like a dick. My husband and I both work 50-60 hour weeks, often working away or having to attend evening events or entertain clients. We get up at 6 with the kids on weekends and both have to contribute at home. Granted we also get paid much much more than a teacher. I think the issue here is that he is using it as an excuse not to be a husband or father.

Do you have small children?

Quit moaning and leave if you don't enjoy your work

oh we are, we really are. It is increasingly difficult for schools to paper over the gaps as they have become gaping, great holes. The crisis we have been warning about for many years is just getting started. Strap in, it’s gonna be one hell of a ride if you have kids in school right now…..

@TheMoops " I chose not to strike Because I didn't want my students to suffer further disruption"

That's exactly why I chose TO strike! The disruption that lies ahead for students in the future if the Government continues to do nothing to attract and retain staff is infinitely worse.

That's exactly why I chose TO strike! The disruption that lies ahead for students in the future if the Government continues to do nothing to attract and retain staff is infinitely worse.

And that's your personal decision.
Working in a university is different and staff are striking for different reasons to school staff and I don't agree with those particular reasons so chose not to strike. However, not wanting students to face further disruption also played a part.

What happens in the school holidays?

DP and I both teachers and yes it's a relentless job but not to the detriment of our home life. We have said if it gets worse next year then we'll leave before we are at breaking point. He probably should. That said, while we are often exhausted at night, we both pull our weight and teaching isn't an excuse to be a bit of an arse.

If you were willing to go full time then let him drop to 0.6 or 0.8 and then he doesn't have a leg to stand on with regards to his time and lie ins.

Given what you have said about him as a person, I'll bet he is a crap teacher to boot OP

Sorry just read your update about PT and his school. Yes, they don't have to facilitate it, but has he had the conversation about how this is affecting family time? What key stage is he in/what subject does he teach?

Oh OP, teachers are LITERAL SAINTS did you not hear?

In my 20s, I used to work 7am to 8pm everyday in job with 25 days holiday (had to opt out of the EU working time directive, as was) and STILL my teacher friends had it harder. It's a vitally important job but this narrative about it being the hardest of all jobs just has to stop. People talking about the thread being 'goady' - put yourselves on a pedestal and what do you expect?!

That’s good to hear and I’m sure it’s true generally, the focus of my comment was more over the last few years rather than all the time.

I don’t think we are that unaligned in the view though as you’ve said they’ve suffered enough disruption so you’re not striking. I appreciate your stance on this tbh

Is academia still competitive as a job? My impression is it’s hard for the reasons you say but getting a professorship isn’t that easy and many compete for it?

Sadly this. I genuinely fear for pupils' education. DD goes to a well regarded school and even they appear to be using many supply teachers.
The frequent instruction on Mumsnet to teachers over the last few years has been "if you don't like it leave". Well we have, and there is also a recruitment problem so not enough people are joining the profession to fill up the gaps. And the quality of those joining will vary if you are recruiting from a smaller pool of applicants. And there will be less experienced teachers to support the newly qualified and the time available to support is limited. It's a vicious circle. Education in general is not going to improve for years.

He's really unhappy and needs to get out. Can you support him with finding an alternative career?

@Mitfordian I can't see a post anywhere on this thread claiming that a teachers job is harder than everyone else's. However they have described what the role entails when appropriate. As I did, when a non teaching poster said as a fact that teaching is not 'all encompassing.' For me it was so I shared my experience as someone who has actually done it. Why shouldn't I when people post their opinions as fact based on nothing?

Is academia still competitive as a job? My impression is it’s hard for the reasons you say but getting a professorship isn’t that easy and many compete for it?

It will vary depending on the university and the subject but yes it can be very competitive and there are lots of fixed term/zero hour contracts (higher education has the second most zero hour contracts after retail) which makes it a risky job early in your career and you might need to move around the country chasing contracts until a permanent one comes up. This makes it particularly challenging for women are they less likely to move around due to family/childcare ....

Again, professorship criteria varies between institutions but is invariably skewed to research output and income generation. It's really hard to be an excellent 'teaching' academic and do enough research or bring in enough money to be made professor.
Well, that's my experience anyway.

Teaching is harder than many jobs and for rubbish pay.

OP says herself that her job is way less stressful and she earns way more.

Most jobs that are stressful also have decent salaries to make the work and hours worth it, teaching doesn’t.

Being a doctor or lawyer is very difficult but their pay reflects the work that they do (eventually).
They do not have to spend their own money on glue sticks and pens for their clients.

If teaching was easy then you’d be doing it.

No one is saying teaching is the most difficult job in the world.
Many jobs are difficult and people always moan about them but it’s only when teachers moan are they called out for it.

This thread is about teachers so it’s obvious that teaching is going to be a big part of the comments.
If it was about being a doctor then you’d have loads of complaints about the difficulty of that.

The issue here is that OP’s DH shouldn’t get to check out of family life just because he’s stressed, just like a neurosurgeon shouldn’t.

sadly, I would just give up. It’s clear certain non teachers will never accept facts as it goes against the view that they have that teachers are lazy individuals who have it so easy and are just to be used for free childcare. Unless the government and media change their narrative, certain individuals will never change their minds and will always believe that they are more hard done by than teachers. Unless the state sector collapses and only the wealthy are able to send their children to school people will never change their views.

I know teaching is very hard, but it sounds like it is even harder for him because he hates it. He really needs to find another job

Spot on I'd guess.

He sounds deeply unpleasant and entitled.

I was a teacher and his experience sounds familiar. I was so stressed everything else suffered. I started my own business and became self employed so that I could work full time from home and the two are definitely NOT comparable (even though I work longer hours now than I did teaching). I would never go back.

sadly, I would just give up. It’s clear certain non teachers will never accept facts as it goes against the view that they have that teachers are lazy individuals who have it so easy and are just to be used for free childcare.

Who is actually saying that though?

Just because people are saying the teaching profession doesn't have the monopoly on stressful jobs doesn't mean people are saying teachers are lazy.....

It is a stressful job, but lots of people have stressful jobs!!