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Teachers don't have it as hard as my husband says he does

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IamwhoIsayIam · 08/05/2023 09:14

My husband is a teacher. I know teaching is a demanding job but I feel he makes it out to be harder and more stressful than it is. This weekend he had both Saturday and Sunday morning as lies in and when I asked when mine was his answer was "when I give up teaching."

He can't contribute at home of an evening because of marking and preparation. He loses his patience with our children because he has spent all day disciplining other people's kids. He complains about housework at the weekends because 'weekends are for fun and rest' and it should get done in the week, but in the week isn't available to do any of it himself.

I work 4 out of 5 days and I earn at least double his salary. I've said he makes me feel like a 'cash cow' with comments like 'if we want more income you could work more, I can't as I am already full time.' Which is true, but I don't actually want more income. We live very frugally and I'd rather have free time. (I can see he is jealous of the luxury of that free time - though its not 'me time' just non-paid work time)

We have talked about him giving up but I pointed out that in that case he would have to take on all the house and life admin so I could work full time to top up the loss in salary. I get comments like "you make out you are so busy and life is so hard for you but your job is easy and you don't understand how hard my job is."

My job is easier - I know - I enjoy it and I work from home. But I also think some people would find it stressful, I don't because I enjoy it and work hard at it. My gut feeling is that this is his problem. He doesn't like it and doesn't enjoy working at it.

AIBU in saying teaching isn't that draining that he should just suck it up and contribute more or quit?

OP posts:
Tinybrother · 08/05/2023 11:57

Newmumatlast · 08/05/2023 11:52

You can live frugally and be a high earner. OP may be saving loads. I personally put loads into my pension as I'm worried about old age so I dont actually use anywhere near our joint household income. Earning a certain amount doesn't mean frugality. Just as someone can earn little and not be at all frugal.

Yes but if one person is so stressed by their job that they can’t stop themselves being foul to their family the maybe things need to be reprioritised.

rwalker · 08/05/2023 11:58

Top and bottom of it he sounds deeply unhappy in his job

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 08/05/2023 11:58

This weekend he had both Saturday and Sunday morning as lies in and when I asked when mine was his answer was "when I give up teaching."

What a prick. Ugh. It’s all about him isn’t it?

McGoadyFromFuckingGoadyville · 08/05/2023 11:59

He sounds horrible and completely useless. I
would not be able to continue a relationship with someone behaving like this.

Newmumatlast · 08/05/2023 12:03

Tinybrother · 08/05/2023 11:57

Yes but if one person is so stressed by their job that they can’t stop themselves being foul to their family the maybe things need to be reprioritised.

Oh absolutely but I think OPs frustration was that she was being looked toward to work more but no suggestion from husband that he would do more in turn. He can hate his job and want to leave it but he needs to then step up at home or find another job really.

TheMoops · 08/05/2023 12:05

This is interesting but on this point Plus students now see themselves as customers which adds a new dynamic. it feels as if students have been very poorly serviced as customers over the last few years. Although I can see the dynamic might be changing they do have more to be upset about.

I wouldn't say students have been poorly serviced in the past but it has forced some poor performing institutions to up their game.

However, the biggest issue is students not understanding that academics aren't just there to teach them. We have other responsibilities which actually bring in income to allow us to run undergraduate courses as many are run at a loss despite the tuition fees universities charge. I once had a student work out how much they were paying me per hour and therefore should be available to them when they demanded.....!

Bewilderedandhurt · 08/05/2023 12:06

Teacher know the profession, the dedication required and the remuneration package + pension they will receive. I'm sick and tired of teachers moaning about a profession they willingly pursued with prior knowledge of all these factors.
Many jobs are demanding, have pressures that require extra input. Over the last 10days I have worked 95hrs getting a production linebacker up and running, it's a part and parcel of being dedicated.
Quit moaning and leave if you don't enjoy your work.

Clavinova · 08/05/2023 12:06

PurpleWisteria1
My husband works as a senior manager in financial sector earning 3x what a teacher does and whilst it is stressful it’s still not the level of stress and sheer exhaustion that I found teaching a class of 31 6 year olds to be.

You are talking about two different people though - how do you know what level of stress you would feel working as a senior manager in financial services with three young children at home?

towriteyoumustlive
I spent 10 years as an engineer working on high stress projects, and 9 years as a teacher, teaching KS3/4/5.
Both jobs have their pros and cons, but secondary school teaching (particularly A Level) is SO much harder than a "regular" job.

There are obvious limitations with the comparison if you were younger and child-free whilst working as an engineer.

Newmumatlast · 08/05/2023 12:07

noblegiraffe · 08/05/2023 11:13

So his wife earns double what he earns, but in compressed hours that means she also does everything else in the house and at the weekends.

She says she works 32 hours a week.

As a full time teacher he'll work around 50 hours a week, according to government data. So as he's working an extra 18 hours a week, naturally she would have more time to do things around the house.

This is true but OP is making it sound like he does little at all. And I dont think a 50hr working week demands both available weekend lie ins. I say that as someone working that and more most weeks.

TheCrystalPalace · 08/05/2023 12:09

@Bewilderedandhurt "Quit moaning and leave if you don't enjoy your work."

Hmm.
I refer you to @noblegiraffe 's post at 11.50

Why do some posters think that that smart-alec remark is such a 'gotcha?' It just makes them look very foolish.

Newmumatlast · 08/05/2023 12:09

Clavinova · 08/05/2023 12:06

PurpleWisteria1
My husband works as a senior manager in financial sector earning 3x what a teacher does and whilst it is stressful it’s still not the level of stress and sheer exhaustion that I found teaching a class of 31 6 year olds to be.

You are talking about two different people though - how do you know what level of stress you would feel working as a senior manager in financial services with three young children at home?

towriteyoumustlive
I spent 10 years as an engineer working on high stress projects, and 9 years as a teacher, teaching KS3/4/5.
Both jobs have their pros and cons, but secondary school teaching (particularly A Level) is SO much harder than a "regular" job.

There are obvious limitations with the comparison if you were younger and child-free whilst working as an engineer.

Exactly. Especially as, as many have noted, men do tend to do less childcare and housework even when women in the home are working.

billy1966 · 08/05/2023 12:09

Why are you with this lazy selfish waster?

He has a family, works a job and does nothing else while you earn twice his income and nothing else?

Are you out of your mind suggesting he resigns?

Your life would be so much worse.

Start thinking about whether you want to remain married?

I think your life would be easier without him.

WhiteFire · 08/05/2023 12:09

Reading threads like this it is no surprise that there is a massive R&R crisis in teaching, it seems like the shittest job in the world according to here.

TheMoops · 08/05/2023 12:10

Off thread topic but that makes me so sad. My DS (high ranking uni- kids all have top grades) was shocked by this in lectures he attended. Crisps, drinks, chatting, yawning, texting...

As a side note, btw, school courses can get scrapped too if we can't drum up recruits or Gove and co/ society at large decide the subject is not worthy

Oh absolutely! I teach in an education faculty and teach a subject that has been directly impacted by Gove and his views on certain aspects of the curriculum and education.

I absolutely appreciate the stressful nature of teaching, I guess I'm just pointing out that that level of stress isn't exclusive to the teaching profession.

Skyblue92 · 08/05/2023 12:11

Bewilderedandhurt · 08/05/2023 12:06

Teacher know the profession, the dedication required and the remuneration package + pension they will receive. I'm sick and tired of teachers moaning about a profession they willingly pursued with prior knowledge of all these factors.
Many jobs are demanding, have pressures that require extra input. Over the last 10days I have worked 95hrs getting a production linebacker up and running, it's a part and parcel of being dedicated.
Quit moaning and leave if you don't enjoy your work.

Teachers are, that’s why education is in such the state it is. I’m sick and tired of know it all non teachers who feel the need to act all high and mighty about how they aren’t teachers and therefore are so much better and act as if they work so much harder

Hubblebubble · 08/05/2023 12:11

Teaching is exhausting and its clearly too much for him, so he should leave. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging when a certain career prevents you from being a whole person. It's not fair on himself, you or your children for him to continue. Get him to ring up his old uni for careers advice and start exploring a career change.

DueyCheatemAndHow · 08/05/2023 12:12

Teaching is hard.
Your husband sounds like a nob.

Hubblebubble · 08/05/2023 12:13

In the meantime, he should allocate some of his 'fun' money towards a weekly cleaner, as hes not pulling his weight there.

SunnyEgg · 08/05/2023 12:14

TheMoops · 08/05/2023 12:05

This is interesting but on this point Plus students now see themselves as customers which adds a new dynamic. it feels as if students have been very poorly serviced as customers over the last few years. Although I can see the dynamic might be changing they do have more to be upset about.

I wouldn't say students have been poorly serviced in the past but it has forced some poor performing institutions to up their game.

However, the biggest issue is students not understanding that academics aren't just there to teach them. We have other responsibilities which actually bring in income to allow us to run undergraduate courses as many are run at a loss despite the tuition fees universities charge. I once had a student work out how much they were paying me per hour and therefore should be available to them when they demanded.....!

It’s probably ok usually but that high debt plus lockdowns / strikes makes me feel sorry for them

As customers they seem low down the order of things.

TheCrystalPalace · 08/05/2023 12:14

@Hubblebubble Yes, because that's exactly what we need. Yet another one to leave.

JE17 · 08/05/2023 12:22

My DH is a teacher (albeit 80%). What you describe is unrecognisable to me. DH more than pulls his weight around the house, spends lots of time with our DC and is generally a very pleasant individual to live with.

Butchyrestingface · 08/05/2023 12:22

But her DH is using the fact he's a teacher to opt out of family life and generally be a poor parent and partner. So mentioning teaching is relevant in this context.

But it's not teachers per se complaining that they have it so hard they have to opt out of family responsibilities. It's her her husband.

So why not start a thread entitled "My HUSBAND doesn't have it as hard as he says he has?"

Less goady, but of course, possibly wouldn't get as much traction as this one does.

Tinybrother · 08/05/2023 12:23

TheCrystalPalace · 08/05/2023 12:14

@Hubblebubble Yes, because that's exactly what we need. Yet another one to leave.

Hang on. Either it’s the job or it’s him that’s the problem. Or maybe both. If it were my husband and he was saying it was the job making him feel and behave awfully, then I certainly wouldn’t be putting up with a miserable home life just so that one teacher is retained.

TheMoops · 08/05/2023 12:23

It’s probably ok usually but that high debt plus lockdowns / strikes makes me feel sorry for them

I agree that lockdowns and strikes have made it very challenging. I chose not to strike Because I didn't want my students to suffer further disruption (that was one reason anyway)

As customers they seem low down the order of things.

That's unfair imo. Every university I have worked at has prioritised the student experience.

Whoguess · 08/05/2023 12:25

Skyblue92 · 08/05/2023 11:36

What is SO boring is the teacher bashing from people who could easily become teachers if they truly thought it was that easy

I wouldn’t want to be a teacher, from SO many doing it, it sounds shit.