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Parents: if you had one day of your pre children life back, how would you spend it? Please keep it lighthearted

226 replies

Grommmm · 27/06/2023 19:05

I love my kids, the baby and the toddler. They are beautiful, funny, joyful and life enhancing. But they are also exhausting and consume all our time, money, worry and attention!! Looking back I can’t believe how much freedom, energy and spare cash (relative) we had before we had kids but also that we didn’t really realise what we had and make the most of it before having them. The pandemic was partly to blame for this, as it shut down a lot of opportunities to do things like travel.

Oh to have one day, or even half a day a month without my kids and the associated worry and tiredness and with some of the energy and free time I used to have back. Would I write a novel, have a day long bath, learn a new instrument, just spend all day reading in a coffee shop???

What would you do?

Caveat - you can’t spent it doing kid-admin or cleaning the house or any sort of catching up - this is a day from your old life when kid-admin didn’t exist and your whole house wasn’t covered in pasta sauce and nappies.

Second caveat - I know having kids is a huge privilege and lots of people would give anything to have them. This discussion isn’t about that, hence using childfree not childless. It’s just a lighthearted chat about how even though kids are wonderful, you still give up a lot when you have them and wouldn’t it be nice to get just a little bit of it back occasionally.

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Grommmm · 28/06/2023 09:13

Catchasingmewithspiders · 28/06/2023 08:45

Given multiple people have "misread" the thread in the same way do you not think it's possible that maybe blase comments about how much busier parents are, how much fun childfree people would have on a day with children, and how nice it would be to live as a childfree person for a day with no responsibilities maybe aren't hitting quite the note you think they are.

Just for clarity Im not childfree by choice. Im childless and I have a niece living with me so if anything I have more in common with parents than with childfree by choice people. (although no doubt if the thread goes on long enough some parent will be along to tell me it not the same).

Im just tired of the assumptions made about childfree women. And you pretending that all your little comments on here dont feed into the same narrative doesnt make it true.

Most people seem to have got the point actually, and quite a few others have posted saying they don’t know why it’s being misread by some.

But as you’re clearly determined to think awfully of me - okay damn you got me, this thread wasn’t a cheerful way to reminisce about life before kids - it actually was intended as a subtle way of undermining childfree people with a drip drip drip of little comments suggesting how great or not great they have it. Me and all the other childunfree women got together at our local soft play centre to plan it over a delicious lunch of party rings and chicken nuggets.

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Catchasingmewithspiders · 28/06/2023 09:23

Grommmm · 28/06/2023 09:13

Most people seem to have got the point actually, and quite a few others have posted saying they don’t know why it’s being misread by some.

But as you’re clearly determined to think awfully of me - okay damn you got me, this thread wasn’t a cheerful way to reminisce about life before kids - it actually was intended as a subtle way of undermining childfree people with a drip drip drip of little comments suggesting how great or not great they have it. Me and all the other childunfree women got together at our local soft play centre to plan it over a delicious lunch of party rings and chicken nuggets.

Why is that so offensive?!? Im genuinely interested

I took time out of my day to answer a question you specifically tagged me in. Turns out you aren't genuinely interested at all though and have decided to respond to me answering your question with sarcasm.

Got it.

Grommmm · 28/06/2023 09:33

Catchasingmewithspiders · 28/06/2023 09:23

Why is that so offensive?!? Im genuinely interested

I took time out of my day to answer a question you specifically tagged me in. Turns out you aren't genuinely interested at all though and have decided to respond to me answering your question with sarcasm.

Got it.

I guess my interest waned when you responded to my question with still more accusations of me being part of a big anti childfree women narrative - even after I pointed out that your previous accusations were based on things I demonstrably hadn’t said - not real women, not knowing the meaning of love, childfree people having loads of free time, being convinced to have kids by one day at Alton towers etc etc.

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JorisBonson · 28/06/2023 09:39

You could have asked MNHQ to change the title several pages ago to avoid any more confusion or upset.

ThisIsACoolUserName · 28/06/2023 09:42

EmeraldFox · 28/06/2023 08:59

Unless you have a baby straight from school then all parents were previously childfree.

Yes you enjoyed a period of time where you were not a parent.

You were not a childfree by choice woman who has decided they will never have children, and will therefore live a non-mainstream lifestyle - attracting varying levels of suspicion/pity/derison/jealousy in the process - for the whole of their life.

Grommmm · 28/06/2023 09:46

JorisBonson · 28/06/2023 09:39

You could have asked MNHQ to change the title several pages ago to avoid any more confusion or upset.

I didn’t know you could do that. How do I ask them?

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JorisBonson · 28/06/2023 09:47

Grommmm · 28/06/2023 09:46

I didn’t know you could do that. How do I ask them?

Report your initial thread and ask in the text box

ATerrorofLeftovers · 28/06/2023 09:48

JorisBonson · 28/06/2023 09:39

You could have asked MNHQ to change the title several pages ago to avoid any more confusion or upset.

If I were the OP I really don’t think I would be bothering MNHQ over something like this. It would seem very disproportionate. The OP has explained the intent behind the thread numerous times now and it was clear to me, at least, that it was meant to be lighthearted.

Of course, if a thread touches on a subject we find difficult or painful, we can be triggered. Best to stay away from those threads, I find, rather than try and control everyone else’s experience.

Sad1001 · 28/06/2023 09:52

Thread title is patronising as anything.

AlexTfan · 28/06/2023 09:56

I think some people see offence at every turn. It’s predictable here.

AlexTfan · 28/06/2023 09:57

Change the thread title to satisfy the permanently offended? That’s a joke I hope. 😳

AlexTfan · 28/06/2023 09:58

Sad1001 · 28/06/2023 09:52

Thread title is patronising as anything.

Rubbish.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 28/06/2023 09:58

Can you imagine if I posted a thread as a childless person, saying that parenthood is wasted on parents because they're all raising theirs badly and I just know I'd do it better?

I'd be hung out to dry.

I hate this place sometimes, I really do.

AlexTfan · 28/06/2023 10:01

fitzwilliamdarcy · 28/06/2023 09:58

Can you imagine if I posted a thread as a childless person, saying that parenthood is wasted on parents because they're all raising theirs badly and I just know I'd do it better?

I'd be hung out to dry.

I hate this place sometimes, I really do.

You say “childless”. That’s a bit two centuries ago. Some posters might prefer “childfree” as a term.

(no tantrum in the offing - lol)

SpringleDingle · 28/06/2023 10:04

Divorce is under-rated! I get every other weekend kid free and it is wonderful. This weekend I intend to drive over to my boyfriend's on Friday night and eat a take-out with him on the sofa whilst catching up on our respective weeks. We will take a long walk with the dog on Saturday morning (weather permitting) followed by a lunch out. We normally have some peaceful Saturday afternoon sex and I get an hour or two to read my book in silence whilst he plays on his laptop. We cook together for dinner and potentially watch an episode of the box set we are currently sharing.

Sunday morning I get a lie in and he brings me coffee in bed before taking the dog out. Sometimes we got for a day out but this weekend we have a boardgame planned with snacks. I head home late Sunday afternoon and pick up my kid on the way.

Truly relaxing!!

Butchyrestingface · 28/06/2023 10:08

AlexTfan · 28/06/2023 09:58

Rubbish.

I think the thread title was crap.

The OP itself - she was only musing on what parents would do with one half day/full day free a month and people started posting about how they'd circumnavigate the globe. Confused

fitzwilliamdarcy · 28/06/2023 10:14

AlexTfan · 28/06/2023 10:01

You say “childless”. That’s a bit two centuries ago. Some posters might prefer “childfree” as a term.

(no tantrum in the offing - lol)

No, it isn't.

Childless can be used by people who are infertile, to denote that the choice was not theirs. That's why I'm using it.

Childfree can be used by those who want to make it clear that they have made an active choice.

BinauralBeats · 28/06/2023 10:14

I'd walk the dog with my dh. I actually really miss that, we have to walk her alone while the other is in with the kids or take the whole household with us.

A nice walk with the dog, stop for a drink at a local pub then home with a takeaway that the kids don't like/are allergic to. We could just eat it as soon as we're home rather than have to start cooking a separate meal for the children too.

Mortgagewoes1 · 28/06/2023 10:15

When you're childfree, you think you're busy.

It's only when you have children you realise you weren't in the slightest.

But it's like anything. When you're slim, you moan about the odd 1lb weight gain here and there. When you're 3 stone overweight, you realise you were actually slim and should have been merrily wandering around in underwear all day!

You only know what something is like when you're done it.

On a simliar vein, I've always said if you could have a child having had the experience of already having one mentally so to speak, you would realise how bloody easy one baby is. But when you only have one baby you don't know that. And if you add a second baby in, that's 2 babies so not comparable.

No one said people without children have empty or frivolous lives - but it's simply not the same at all once you have the responsibility of small people to contend with day in day out.

Besttobe8001 · 28/06/2023 10:20

Mortgagewoes1 · 28/06/2023 10:15

When you're childfree, you think you're busy.

It's only when you have children you realise you weren't in the slightest.

But it's like anything. When you're slim, you moan about the odd 1lb weight gain here and there. When you're 3 stone overweight, you realise you were actually slim and should have been merrily wandering around in underwear all day!

You only know what something is like when you're done it.

On a simliar vein, I've always said if you could have a child having had the experience of already having one mentally so to speak, you would realise how bloody easy one baby is. But when you only have one baby you don't know that. And if you add a second baby in, that's 2 babies so not comparable.

No one said people without children have empty or frivolous lives - but it's simply not the same at all once you have the responsibility of small people to contend with day in day out.

I just don't think this is true and shows such a lack of empathy.

People say "no one ever tells you how hard it is having children", but in my experience no one ever shuts up about how hard it is having children. Seeing my sister, friends, cousins, go through that experience and really listening to them is one of the things that has made me decide to remain childfree.

nancy2022 · 28/06/2023 10:26

Oopsiedaisyy · 28/06/2023 08:07

I'm divorced and have 50% co parenting with my ex.... Oh its fab! Have a new DP with same arrangement, spending summer going to festivals and travelling

Lost for words.

nancy2022 · 28/06/2023 10:34

SpringleDingle · 28/06/2023 10:04

Divorce is under-rated! I get every other weekend kid free and it is wonderful. This weekend I intend to drive over to my boyfriend's on Friday night and eat a take-out with him on the sofa whilst catching up on our respective weeks. We will take a long walk with the dog on Saturday morning (weather permitting) followed by a lunch out. We normally have some peaceful Saturday afternoon sex and I get an hour or two to read my book in silence whilst he plays on his laptop. We cook together for dinner and potentially watch an episode of the box set we are currently sharing.

Sunday morning I get a lie in and he brings me coffee in bed before taking the dog out. Sometimes we got for a day out but this weekend we have a boardgame planned with snacks. I head home late Sunday afternoon and pick up my kid on the way.

Truly relaxing!!

Another WTF?
Na I'd rather see my kids every day.

MargotBamborough · 28/06/2023 10:39

Besttobe8001 · 28/06/2023 10:20

I just don't think this is true and shows such a lack of empathy.

People say "no one ever tells you how hard it is having children", but in my experience no one ever shuts up about how hard it is having children. Seeing my sister, friends, cousins, go through that experience and really listening to them is one of the things that has made me decide to remain childfree.

I agree.

I have a close friend who is childfree by choice.

She knows what I went through to have children, she knows how much joy they bring me and also how tired I am and how much my freedom is curtailed. She loves almost every aspect of her life and the parts she doesn't love (largely health related) would be made worse by children, not better.

I think that she has a very good idea about what having children involves (as much as you can without having actually lived it) which is why she made an informed decision not to have any.

I think she made the right decision for her and although I also made the right decision for me in deciding to have them, sometimes I envy her and would like to be her for a day every once in a while.

Grommmm · 28/06/2023 11:03

SpringleDingle · 28/06/2023 10:04

Divorce is under-rated! I get every other weekend kid free and it is wonderful. This weekend I intend to drive over to my boyfriend's on Friday night and eat a take-out with him on the sofa whilst catching up on our respective weeks. We will take a long walk with the dog on Saturday morning (weather permitting) followed by a lunch out. We normally have some peaceful Saturday afternoon sex and I get an hour or two to read my book in silence whilst he plays on his laptop. We cook together for dinner and potentially watch an episode of the box set we are currently sharing.

Sunday morning I get a lie in and he brings me coffee in bed before taking the dog out. Sometimes we got for a day out but this weekend we have a boardgame planned with snacks. I head home late Sunday afternoon and pick up my kid on the way.

Truly relaxing!!

Despite having a happy marriage, I have once or twice thought that this would be quite a nice perk of divorce - a silver lining. Assuming you were happy for your kids to be with the other parent of course

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Grommmm · 28/06/2023 11:14

AlexTfan · 28/06/2023 09:57

Change the thread title to satisfy the permanently offended? That’s a joke I hope. 😳

Well I don’t mind changing it if some people are genuinely confused. Although I do think my post ( not to mention subsequent posts) make it very clear that it’s about comparing life pre and post kids. Not about pitting the childfree against the parents, or suggesting the childfree either have it too easy because they don’t have the bad bits of kids, or too hard because they don’t have the good bits of kids….

To avoid all confusion, I’d like to suggest changing it to:

“Parents: life before children is wasted on those who are childfree but who will go on to have children by choice - discuss. Alt title, Parents: if you were given a day to spend without kids, but still with the awareness of how valuable free time becomes after you have kids, how would you spend it? Discuss. Caveat, this is not a thread attacking the childless, childfree or parents who miss absolutely nothing about their old lives and spend every day gazing into their children’s eyes adoringly even when their kids have gastro.”

But I suspect MNHQ will say that’s a bit long…

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