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Labour Tweet attacking Rishi Sunak

139 replies

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 08:29

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1643973886311297028?s=20

Point scoring using child victims of sexual abuse as their football.
They don't really want to get elected do they?
Horrendous tweet which has been met with almost universal disgust.

Speechless.

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1643973886311297028?s=20

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Iam4eels · 07/04/2023 10:31

Densol57 · 07/04/2023 10:28

You honestly believe he wasnt consulted on such a high profile case !

He wasn't which is exactly why he commissioned an investigation into why no prosecution was made and then implemented the reforms the investigation recommended.

Hoardasurass · 07/04/2023 10:34

Iam4eels · 07/04/2023 10:17

Except it's not true. It was a lie started on social media that has since been fact checked and debunked many times. Starmer was not the reviewing lawyer on the case and in fact commission the investigation into why a prosecution was not made.

Except I never said he was the reviewing lawyer did I and he has taken public responsibility for it also why don't you look at the reviews done of his department and how well his juniors believe he ran it

Whaeanui · 07/04/2023 10:35

If they want to attack the Tories I’d do it on their own corruption and sleaze, not bring victims of sexual assault into it.

Exactly this.

It’s not about if the tories are bothered. We are. Voters. Lots of people didn’t like this tweet. Thinking this is ok just because tories do it means you’ve lowered the bar for everyone. I’ll call it out whoever does it

Notonthestairs · 07/04/2023 10:35

BBC Reality Check has examined Boris Johnson's claim that Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile when he was director of public prosecutions (DPP) and has found no evidence that Sir Keir was involved at any point in the decision not to charge Savile.

DPP wasn't consulted.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975.amp

In fact a number of Conservative MPs suggested the baseless claim should be withdrawn. Raab refused to repeat it as it couldn't be substantiated.

SerendipityJane · 07/04/2023 10:35

You honestly believe he wasn't consulted on such a high profile case !

In the same way that Boris didn't realise what the rules were you mean ?

MarshaBradyo · 07/04/2023 10:37

Boomboom22 · 07/04/2023 10:30

What it shows is their incompetent, again, when they defend it on the radio and say its not public opinion. Bit funking rich of labour to say twitter doesn't reflect public opinion, well no ot doesn't always but doesn't stop almost all their policies being based on what the twitter mob wants usually!

Only one Twitter mob need apply. Gender ideology yes

Anyone else no

As for women well you’re not even discussing it anyway, totally dim

True incompetence

Hobbi · 07/04/2023 10:40

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Except you are telling lies. Starmer had no authority or influence in the JS cases. He did however make it much easier for victims of abuse to give evidence.

Crocodilekneecaps · 07/04/2023 10:41

Densol57 · 07/04/2023 10:28

You honestly believe he wasnt consulted on such a high profile case !

Thatcher was warned again and again about Saville but invited him to Chequers and pushed for him to be knighted

ExtraOnions · 07/04/2023 10:46

Has nobody here ever seen the The Thick of It ?

They can take it down, they can apologise … but that’s not what this is about. People will have seen the picture, read the text, and those two things are now linked. It’s there to make people think / react in a certain way, and, even when this “scandal” dies down (which it will), the image & text will still be in people’s minds, linking Sunak with being weak on CSE

Politics is a dirty business … I should know.

The Tories are more than happy to use the victims of Jimmy Savile to score points against Starmer, so they can’t start bleating about it now … well they can, but it makes them look like hypocrites

lots if people will never have thought of the Tory failings on CSE until now … but a lot more people will now be saying “yea, they have had 13 years to sort this out and haven’t” - job done

SerendipityJane · 07/04/2023 10:46

Crocodilekneecaps · 07/04/2023 10:41

Thatcher was warned again and again about Saville but invited him to Chequers and pushed for him to be knighted

5 times apparently

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2366576/Revealed-Lady-Thatchers-FIVE-attempts-secure-knighthood-Jimmy-Savile.html

Apparently linking Daily Mail articles to anti Tory themes confuses OpenAI by confusing it's learning. The future looks like being fun.

Labour Tweet attacking Rishi Sunak
Clavinova · 07/04/2023 13:21

What was that dreadful thud? The sound of Keir Starmer falling off his high horse

Marina Hyde also points out that Keir Starmer was himself a member of the sentencing council;
The one thing you would hope the career lawyer would be across is that Sunak – who wasn’t even an MP for five years of the period gestured towards in the ad – was not responsible for sentencing or sentencing guidelines. The fact that Starmer was himself a member of the sentencing council for some of that period is another factor that places the ad firmly in the “audacious” category.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/07/keir-starmer-high-horse-politics-labour-rishi-sunak

What was that dreadful thud? The sound of Keir Starmer falling off his high horse | Marina Hyde

‘Civility in politics’? Starmer may have to stable that nag after Labour’s ‘paedo protector’ attack ad on Rishi Sunak, says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/07/keir-starmer-high-horse-politics-labour-rishi-sunak

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 13:30

SerendipityJane · 07/04/2023 10:13

You started it.

I am going to assume that this is a weak attempt at humour?

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Whaeanui · 07/04/2023 13:35

The fact that Starmer was himself a member of the sentencing council for some of that period is another factor that places the ad firmly in the “audacious” category.

Quite.

DontSetYourselfOnFireToKeepOthersWarm · 07/04/2023 13:36

So there are some tories left on Mumsnet. I had begun to wonder.

MarshaBradyo · 07/04/2023 13:37

DontSetYourselfOnFireToKeepOthersWarm · 07/04/2023 13:36

So there are some tories left on Mumsnet. I had begun to wonder.

The Labour lot give it a good bash tbf

WeWereInParis · 07/04/2023 13:42

I don't like the ad, and agree with comments about the tone of politics, and the use of victims to score points. It doesn't matter that the Tories are just as bad. If the stat in the ad is correct (and I've not seen anything disputing that part of it) then it really is shocking and Labour have detracted from it with their use of Sunak in the ad in that way.

However, I have no time for any Tory MP bleating about the tone of politics in relation to this tweet. Unless they criticised Johnson's Saville comments at the time, they cannot now claim any sort of high ground about using victims for political gain. Of course, now they've put this ad out, Labour can also no longer complain about the Tories doing that either.

DontSetYourselfOnFireToKeepOthersWarm · 07/04/2023 13:44

MarshaBradyo · 07/04/2023 13:37

The Labour lot give it a good bash tbf

Indeed - it's not surprising they normally keep their heads down. It really has to be a proper labour own-goal to get them to dare to raise their heads above the parapet

WowIlikereallyhateyou · 07/04/2023 13:45

EmmaEmerald · 07/04/2023 10:18

Ditto.

Absolutely.

PollyPeptide · 07/04/2023 13:46

But Keir Starmer was DPP until 2013, well into the time period quoted here. He was responsible for taking court cases and getting convictions. That's not in the govts remit. Starmer supports this campaign. Everyone always makes out hus USP is being an honest guy because he was a lawyer (Hmm. OK.) So why isn't he holding his hand up saying he was responsible for these figures too?

Chuckydidit · 07/04/2023 13:49

Nothing wrong with that, they did a lot worse to Corbyn.

Hobbi · 07/04/2023 13:50

PollyPeptide · 07/04/2023 13:46

But Keir Starmer was DPP until 2013, well into the time period quoted here. He was responsible for taking court cases and getting convictions. That's not in the govts remit. Starmer supports this campaign. Everyone always makes out hus USP is being an honest guy because he was a lawyer (Hmm. OK.) So why isn't he holding his hand up saying he was responsible for these figures too?

Rephrasing the lie doesn't make it any more true.

PollyPeptide · 07/04/2023 13:50

If the stat in the ad is correct (and I've not seen anything disputing that part of it) then it really is shocking

It came from labour party analysis not from any open figures. We've no idea how they've got those figures. It's reminiscent of claims made on the side of a bus.
Ugh, politics today.

StuartBroadshairband · 07/04/2023 13:51

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 09:08

I worry that these children and their terrible abuse is being used as a political football by the LP as a way to defame the character of the PM. It's fucking low.

You'll be able to point out your outrage when that lying sack of shit accused Starmer of defending Savile?

Or are you biased as to which sex victims you're defending?

Notonthestairs · 07/04/2023 13:51

Whaeanui · 07/04/2023 13:35

The fact that Starmer was himself a member of the sentencing council for some of that period is another factor that places the ad firmly in the “audacious” category.

Quite.

Parliament defines the overall sentencing framework by setting maximum penalties for offences and determining the structures of sentencing.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmjust/715/71506.htm

Irritateandunreasonable · 07/04/2023 13:52

I hate Sunak, I would NEVER vote Tory.

this tweet is just disgusting and disappointing. What a let down!