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to try to find a full time out of the house job asap so I don't have to entertain my two DSs alone for 8 weeks over the summer?

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livethedream · 21/06/2010 09:54

They are nearly 2 and nearly 4. DS is usually at playgroup 5 mornings awake but it's a training day today so they're both at home together.

Oh my god, they fight. It is so tedious, I am just constantly refereeing between them - no matter what games/activities I set up, they bicker and argue and physically hurt each other. DS1 sneakily tries to hit his brother or tread on his toes whereas DS2 retaliates by biting him so hard it nearly breaks the skin.

There will be 8 weeks between DS1 finishing playgroup and starting school. If we were minted and DH didn't work we could have a lovely time. But here in the real world it's just me and I'm skint and it's going to be a real struggle to think of somethign free to do every single day for 8 weeks. That's 56 days.

I have no idea if I could find a job that would pay enough to put them both with a childminder all summer but my god, I woudl probably run at a loss to get out of 8 whole weeks of these two.

Does this make m e a terrible mother? My mother thinks I should savour every second as these are the best years ever, which I find a bit demoralising. (And it rankles, as she ran off when me and my brother were this age!)

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phatcat · 21/06/2010 10:42

get off your pedestal rollmops and don't be so judgy. if you haven't had to live with the energy drain that fighting kids brings, keep your beak out.

I fully sympathise livethedream - I have been there too - I have an age gap of 2 years with two boys and it has been hell at times, almost constant refereeing. I've felt like running away most summer holidays. It's only now they are 7 & 5 that they have started to behave more acceptably. Check out 123 Magic for your 4 year old - it has helped us a bit in the past. Lots of little rewards for good behaviour too to try and turn things a bit.

Get a job, get childcare, line something up for you to focus on in the evenings, do anything you can to get through. Hunker down, it will pass.

foureleven · 21/06/2010 10:42

Well if its odd, then I'm happy to be odd. Some people just arent in to socialising with children all day.

I dont really have anything in common with mine so 8 weeks would be incredibly tedious.

darkandstormy · 21/06/2010 10:43

OP YANBU, it is such a bloody drag I agree, If I had enough dosh I would get a nanny on the job.Or alternatively a job long haul with BA cabin crewSeriosly, though it will not be that bad when it is here,it is the thought of it more.ROLLMOPS, fwiw some of us actually don't like playing with children, there is no crime in that.

MmeLindt · 21/06/2010 10:46

Rollmops
Golly Gee. Aren't you smug and patronising today. Lucky lucky you, must be great to have two such wonderful children who just love each other to bits and never fight.

Mine generally get on well together but that is just their temperament I guess. I don't for one minute think it is my wonderful parenting that has led to this state of harmony. And they do have their moments, particularly when they are bored.

It has nothing to do with being a good mother or a bad one.

Why are we supposed to feel blessed every minute of the day for the fact that we have two screaming harpies at home? Of course I love my DC and enjoy spending time with them but some evenings I can hardly wait for DH to come home so I can palm the DC off onto him and have a glass of wine in the garden without "Mama, mama, mama, MAMA MAAAAAAAMAAAAA"

Rollmops · 21/06/2010 10:46

cold titz, come again.....?[whaaaat in earth was she trying to say with her little rant emoticon]
foureleven, oh thank you dear! however, I actually enjoy being with my children so must disappoint you - there's not even a whiff of martyrdom....
Try again

porcamiseria · 21/06/2010 10:47

i am understanding but think your post is rather negative, what about

picnics
playdates
playground
swimming
DVDs
sandpit and paddling pool
summer playschemes

I think you are giving up to easily

MrsWobbleTheWaitress · 21/06/2010 10:48

Colditz - emotionally, the more time they have a parent around, the better.

OP - "I see what you're saying, but how then? How do I make them stop? I read books, I've been on courses..."

Stop trying! Do things that mean that they don't get bickery, and accept that it is part of life when it does happen. When they are physically violent, then you need to just calmly, and lovingly (because children play up more if they think you don't love them when they're unpleasant) hold their hands and tell them that hitting is not acceptable.

Don't think that I think I'm wonderful and do this all the time. I'm shit at it - I'm always yelling at them. But I try to do it the right way, and when I can be calm, and involved and engaged with them they behave better and bicker less. And we get involved in lots of activities where they can learn to co-operate. Also, I try and give them tools other than hitting to deal with things, like reminding them that they can try to sort things out with words, and come to me if that doesn't work. Don't expect them to stop bickering completley though, or learn not to hit overnight. It takes time and patience - you have a vested interest in teaching them these things, a childminder or nursery worker, however well-meaning, does not.

"And DH and I both wanted to have children, how does that mean it all comes down to me to do all the practical hands on parenting?"

You tell me! It's your family - if you're unhappy with the balance of work , t hen you need to talk to your DH about it. For us, DH takes over the minute he gets in the door, and on his days off he's the main parent as far as the children are concerned.

"I'm not asking someone else to parent for me, I would just like a break and a bit more in my life than just parenting."

But you're saying you want to go out to work full-time! Doesnt' leave much time for parenting. Be creative - find ways to do things other than parenting at other times. Go out to the gym when your husband gets home. Go out for drinks with your friends in the evenings. Go out for coffee with them at the weekend.

"I don't think wanting to be a mother and being able to work/earn money/widen my horizons means that I am "running away" from my parental responsibilities? "

I don't either, but, like I just said, you're talking about full time. And not because you want to widen your horizons, but because you don't want to be with your children over the summer holidays. I work part time, but I do it when DH or my mum is around. I only manage 3 or 4 hours a week, but that, coupled with my 'me time' I ensure I schedule in, is more than enough.

@ everyone else - I bloody hate this 'mothers who decide to stay at home while they're children are younger must be martyrs' thing. Guilty conscience making you be nasty maybe?

MrsMorgan · 21/06/2010 10:48

I have just done this exact thing, although it wasn't deliberate.

My new job should start just as they break up give or take a week and so my mum and their dad are sharing them for the whole of the 6 weeks.
They are not impressed, and as much as I hate the holidays, I am not thrilled either, but it's tough, I wanted the job so thats that.

foureleven · 21/06/2010 10:49

I dont think she is, I just thing this stuff doesnt appeal to her.

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MrsWobbleTheWaitress · 21/06/2010 10:50

Rollmops - why don't you home educate if you are dreading sending them to school?

MrsWobbleTheWaitress · 21/06/2010 10:51

foureleven - I've reported that delightful bit of personal abuse.

livethedream · 21/06/2010 10:51

I have breastfed (still am feeding ds1 sporadically!) and co-slept and put my children's every need before my own for four years and that's fine, I'm not complaining because I chose to. (Ok, I may have complained about the lack of sleep and still feeding a 9 month old every 2 hours, but that's another thread!)

But now I would like life to be a little bit more diverse/varied than that and I'm fairly sure that isn't a crime.

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Mumsnut · 21/06/2010 10:52

Good luck to you, however it turns out.

My dh is adamant that he can take no holiday until Christmas (doesn't want to , more like). I am a SAHM but mine will be spending two weeks at a sports day-camp (out of nine) and will attend some some craft days.

I would go mad else.

MrsWobbleTheWaitress · 21/06/2010 10:53

I just said it's not a crime, and it's normal and right that you should have time when you're not parenting. It just shouldn't be most of the time IMO.

absalom · 21/06/2010 10:53

YANBU

And just to reassure you OP that what your mum says about these being the best years isn't necessarily true.

My kids are both school age now and although the holidays can be hard work I find I don't dread it all like I did when they were preschoolers!

weetabixwhiner · 21/06/2010 10:54

Why is this unreasonable to say it, most of us are thinking it. A lot of women openly say they would rather work than stay at home with the little darlings. Being at home is the harder option but more beneficial to their growing up. It's probably just a phase at their young age, but it will pass.

foureleven · 21/06/2010 10:55

Yipppeee have never been reported before!

Alouiseg · 21/06/2010 10:55

I've got 2 ds with a gap of 17 months. They're at secondary school now so the problems are different.

All I can say is invite as many of their friends over to play and for sleepovers. They'll have fun and be entertained then asked back to play with the other children.

Vodka in your 5 alive works too ;-)

MmeLindt · 21/06/2010 10:56

Do you know what? This is not about the school holidays.

This is about the fact that for the last 4 years you have been in a baby cocoon that you are starting to emerge from.

I have seen this with so many friends. When the youngest child gets to about 2 years old the day to day work gets easier. They can feed themselves, they can tell you what they want. They start to use the toilet.

You are just at the point where you are not needed constantly for feeding, watering and changing and you have enough free time to want more.

It is completely normal to want some of your life back, to not just be there for the DC.

Do you get out in the evening occassionally? Or do something during the day alone?

livethedream · 21/06/2010 10:57

Mrs Wobble - thank you for the advice. I see what you're saying, and perhaps my post sounds overly negative because I've had a particularly challenging weekend with my DSs and am feeling a bit burnt out to be honest. I do enjoy some of my time with them and try to approach it with a positive mind set on the whole. Just struggling a bit today.

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MrsWobbleTheWaitress · 21/06/2010 10:58

yy, MmeLindt - you are so right.

OP, I think if you can find other outlets for your need to be just an adult at times, you may find you have enough energy and emotional space to enjoy being a mum during the week and the days.

livethedream · 21/06/2010 11:03

MmeLindt - you are totally right. I have been getting out a bit more in the last couple of weeks for an hour or so which is great. I recenlty took a voluntary job adn the training day was great, it felt really good to be back in a room with other adults, thinking about things, and to be honest it was nice to know that I still could function in that kind of situation as the last few years have really knocked my confidence.

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MrsWobbleTheWaitress · 21/06/2010 11:03

livethedream - it is very hard work. I don't deny that. And depressing, and demoralising. But you need to have a full glass to do a good job - working full time won't fill your glass up IMO. You'll end up having most of the time you spend with your DSs with them being ratty and tired anyway so would be counterproductive.

Hope you find a way to get through the summer holidays - see what the local council is doing for children. The libraries usually have events on, as do museums etc.

Have millions of picnics with friends - get mini sausages in the freezer and crisps in the cupboard and cheese strings in the fridge and say they are only for eating on picnics. Then if it's a nice day, you can chuck it all in a cool bag and text all your friends and meet up in some woods, or at a playground or something. You get to sit and chat to your friends, the boys get to play with their friends and be distracted/diluted enough not to bicker.

Spend time at friends' houses and have them over to yours. I've become a bit of an expert at surviving long days on my own with my children - I have four and I home educate. All year is a summer holiday for me. It's still not easy though, and is very stressful at times, and daunting. I dont' blame you for feeling daunted about it - I just thought your answer wasn't the right one

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