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to not know how to kick the feeling of inadequacy at being the "poor relation" in every way imaginable?

144 replies

arses · 13/06/2010 08:08

Well, further to my other AIBU thread (screaming at the inlaws), I am still in need of MN to let off some steam..

Inlaws visiting this weekend. They are terribly successful. Have a ginormous house with about seven bedrooms and all mod cons (BIL and wife). Dh's BIL's wife is a GP as are all the rest of his siblings. All have these mini-mansions and great big Chelsea tractors and BMW's and the like.

We live in a 2-bed ex-council house in a city in the North of England with our six month old son. It's in an 'up and coming area' (or was before the recession) and there are fantastic facilities, we enjoy living here even if the estate is slightly scratty. We don't - and never have - seen it as a 'forever home': it was our step on to the ladder as public sector workers.

I didn't come from huge money myself: my father is an alcoholic and hasn't worked for years, my mother is a teacher. The drink soaked up a lot of cash until they split and it took some years for my mother to build up money of her own so we used to rent flats, move about a lot etc. Despite the dysfunction of it all, it wasn't all bad: I would say I learned how to 'make do and mend' and I don't see either things or property as particularly important (although I owning my own home is important to me).

Growing up was all a bit chaotic and housework was always pretty far down the agenda, but we were all relaxed about it and the house wasn't a candidate for 'how clean is your house' or anything, just very rough round the edges. My own home is the same. My mother's philosophy was that housework was secondary to pretty much everything else and as long as the bathroom and the kitchen were clean-ish and you could see all your floors, you could get on with what she considered the 'proper business of life' - talking, playing, writing, reading etc.

Anyway, fast forward to this weekend. SIL and I were initially rubbing eachother up the wrong way when talking about childcare.. but we moved on. Yesterday we decided with the good weather and the match to have a BBQ. It fits in with my 'slob like' tendency to do the easy hosting thing - chuck some food on the barbie, relax with it etc.

However, it turns out how the other half live was not compatible with my lackadaisical approach to home dining. SIL took over our (very small) kitchen. Where was my pestle and mortar? Did I have any red wine glasses (I have about six, we don't entertain formally as we don't have the space - no dining area). Where was my dish for serving fish? How did I cope without a pantry? Was it very hard without a utility room?

Then - mortifyingly - she took out the insert for the cutlery and cleaned it, complained that the oven wasn't very clean and emptied our fridge of all foods past their sell-by-date. She hoiked out our table (we never open it fully as it takes over half the living area) and set it fully but of course I didn't have the prerequisite 'proper' cutlery for this - I don't have serving mats or bowls to serve food in, it's just not what we do.

Meanwhile, BIL was with dh, asking how we 'lived like this' and asking were we going to continue on in such a small house for long..

I can't explain how horrible I felt about it all. I felt like such a failure as a wife, like the dirtiest, foulest slob imaginable. Rationally, I tell myself things like: 'it's not women's work' and it doesn't reflect on me as a person: my house doesn't have new fangled appliances and it isn't always spick and span but we are happy with it.. it has hot spots of clutter but is generally a pleasant place to live. However, in my heart I felt such shame. I tried to 'help out' in my own kitchen and found I just didn't know what to do or how to be, that somehow there were all these new rules about what I should be doing and where things should go and I couldn't find things.

I know that the shame side is partially to do with having grown up with an alcoholic: I feel terribly vulnerable when people root around in my house and disproportionately ashamed.. so I think that SIL was most probably trying to be helpful but it didn't stop me from heading upstairs to have a cry mid-afternoon .

In dh's family we are treated like a charity case. We're not. We're very much a middle-income family but this is where and how we live. I can see they have a different lifestyle but I don't feel the need to get them to embrace mine. Why on God's earth do I feel I have to apologise for not being uber-wealthy and having the right stuff when I don't even have any interest in it? Why do I feel ashamed of my rough-round-the-edges house when it suits our family just fine?

AIBU to have such thin skin and if so, what the fuck do I do about it?

OP posts:
YeahBut · 13/06/2010 08:11

You are not being unreasonable at all. Your BIL and SIL, for all their money, have no manners.

YeahBut · 13/06/2010 08:13

Sorry, I looked at the title again. You are not unreasonable to be upset - their behaviour was extremely rude. You should not feel bad about where you come from or how you live.

belgo · 13/06/2010 08:13

When I saw the thread title I was going to say get over it, there will always be people who are richer.

Then I read that your SIL in the kitchen! And all the stupid comments about pantries etc and tbh I think at that point I would have walked out.

They sound awful.

lowenergylightbulb · 13/06/2010 08:22

YANBU.

Similar scenario here (except all the in-laws have businesses/are property developers) and DP eschewed money making for a life of academia/public sector work.

We don't even own a house - which the in-laws can't get their heads round. SIL regularly points out properties which we should buy....she can't grasp that we don't have the income to be given a 300K mortgage.

BelleDameSansMerci · 13/06/2010 08:23

Firstly, your ILs were both very rude - your SIL more so. Anyone with any real style/class would never ever behave like that. In fact, it is the epitome of being a bad guest. Quite shocking really.

Now, the bit where you feel exposed and "not good enough" (I'm assuming this) will probably be due to your upbringing. My father is also an alcoholic so I can relate to this... Have you ever seen/read "Adult Children of Alcoholics"? It's very incisive and could help you to feel a bit better about how you respond to situations where you feel vulnerable, etc.

How does your DH feel about their behaviour? I imagine he's horrified but caught in the trap of having to "defend" his family.

What a horrible situation for you all. And all of it caused by the bad manners of your SIL.

If you want to look into the Adult Children thing there is a society link here. There are a number of books and I have seen this one before but it may be useful for both of us.

BelleDameSansMerci · 13/06/2010 08:24

Sorry, I meant I hadn't seen the book before. If you click the link, it'll show other books too.

SeaTrek · 13/06/2010 08:29

YANBU

They both behaved in an extremely rude manner.

I can only assume that they thought they were helping in some way. Your SIL in a practical way, as you have a very young child.

However, whatever they were trying to do they still behaved very badly.

anyabanya · 13/06/2010 08:36

Oh, how crappy, what a crappy situation. I have nothing concrete or helpful to add except to add my voice to the at the appalling bad manners of your SIL.

New kitchen appliances do not a good person make. Nor does having a bigger house.

And your poor DH- how does he feel when his own family effectively shit all over his life too?

These people are sucking your time, your energy, your self esteem. Might be time for a little break from them.

Blackduck · 13/06/2010 08:37

Flaming hell...I can't even being to expalin how your post makes me feel. Rude doesn't even being to encompass their behaviour.... In someone elses house you do things THEIR way, and don't comment. Frankly I'd have pick up child and walked out. How to deal - I don't know. How does your dh feel about it all? I guess they didn't mean it deliberately, but they need a lesson in manners and empathy (empathy - and they are doctors- god help us)
You sound lovely, and frankly fuck them, don't let them judge you and make you feel inadequate - you clearly aren't! BTw - you idea of a BBQ is the same as mine!

biddyofsuburbia · 13/06/2010 08:38

No YANBU to feel bad, so would I if I had been treated in such a rude, superior, condescending way. These people clearly have no tolerance or understanding that we are all free to make our own choices in life and if it makes them feel uncomfortable that you are not conforming to their view of how things should be done or whatever then it is THEIR problem not yours. How unbelievably rude, insensitive and awful of them and poor you. I am surrounded by people who set a lot of store by what car you drive and having the right bowls to serve food in and in a minor way I also occasionally feel slightly embarrassed that I haven't got matching water glasses or whatever but then I also think that if someone is going to judge me because of something so pathetic they are probably not my friends.

When it comes to family of course you can't choose but if you feel strong enough then if there is a next time you should definitely try to at least keep control of the kitchen and politely request that your SIL goes and relaxes with a glass of wine because you have it all under control. I would also say that your fridge & cutlery drawer are clean so she doesn't need to do the housework! Head her off at the pass, before things get messy! Be insistent! Or if she offers to help give her a job that you choose, don't let her loose because she's clearly a control freak!

It is useful to have some serving things even if you only entertain infrequently. We had a party at christmas and I got a load of wine glasses and a few bowls from Asda (6 for £2!) and so you could save yourself the stress by getting some cheap stuff, and planning the meals in advance so there is no room for 'interference'. I know you shouldn't 'have' to if it's not how you work, but then again it might be worth it just to stave off the unwanted comments/ not give them the opportunity! It might not be up to her 'standards' but then she is a bit of a sad case frankly, so who cares!

anyabanya · 13/06/2010 08:46

Your post made me really too. Then i had an image of your SIL on 'Come Dine With Me' (complete with sarcastic voiceover). You know the people who think they are so flipping superior on that show and just make themselves looks like twunts? Are they still about today? Can you look upon them as an anthropological oddity to get you through the rest of the day? My mother has a pretty horrid family and we started playing this game of counting how many times her sister would say a bitchy comment or something and 'store them up' to laugh oiver later..... it was a surivival mechanism more than anything.

I am really feeling for you. And I echo another poster who said you sound lovely. And your idea of a BBQ i exactly mine too.

Xenia · 13/06/2010 08:50

I am well off . I would never treat anyone like that and dont' bother with all the stuff you mentioned the SIL was going on about. Life is too short to have a special serving plate for fish. They should get a life. But the issue is rudeness. We all see people whose lives we don't agree with and most of us just shut up about it. We try to make other people feel comfortable.

If you had had their education and confidence you would just retort on the attack. It's fun if you're into that. Re the fish dish say... that's interesting that you think fish needs serving on a particular dish. Why is that? Probe, make her feel bad in the same way (if you were after vengeance and could argue your corner).

If anyone here or visiting here says XYZ isn 'g clean enough I'd say -wow, great - go forth and clean - feel free, here's the scrubber and solution.

I also think from the first post you might be slightly jealous. I always found it fun just to earn more money, not because I want a silly car but for pure enjoyment. May be leave the public sector and earn double what the GPs are earning who may well be in for a 5% pay cut anyway next week. Send them all a commiseration card after 22nd when the budget is out if GP pay is cut.

Blackduck · 13/06/2010 08:55

Xenia i was with you to the go and earn more money bit ..why is that your answer to everything...and actually then you are playing their game and maybe OP doesn't want to?

belgo · 13/06/2010 08:56

I've just reread the bit about you and your sil annoying each other about child care. It sounds like your sil was still on the attack following this disagreement.

I have two lovely sils, one I get along with, the other one I clash with. I simply steer away from topics that will cause a clash, and often just close my ears. And when she takes things over, I sit back and let her.

belgo · 13/06/2010 08:58

agree, there is never any point in trying to 'compete' with these people; if you are happy and content with your life then you have achieved success IMO, whether you have a pantry and fish dishes or not.

OrigamiYoda · 13/06/2010 09:00

YANBU i have experienced the same for years. 15 years down the line it is still the same and I am able to prepare myself mentally for their arrival. During the christmas visit SIL actually went out and bought us sherry, sherry glasses and a christmas table cloth because she was so shocked we did not have any I don't think you sound jealous at all. Inlaws are always difficult if they have different values and ideas to yourself.

wb · 13/06/2010 09:05

YANBU to be upset. My SiL is a teeny bit like this - advising me to keep the house much cleaner and tidier and to greet dh with a pre-dinner drink when he gets home if I want to be "allowed" to have another child. She also cleans things she has no business cleaning.

Coming from an extremely clean, tidy and unhappy home (depressed dad, drug addicted bro) I know that clean and tidy isn't everything. My approach to cleaning is very like yours but I don't feel bad about it. Your inlaws are idiots (rude idiots) but I think the key here is to work on your self belief. If there is nothing wrong with your priorities who cares about the cutlery drawer.

lovechoc · 13/06/2010 09:06

You have your own way of living, they have theirs. Let them get on with it and don't you be feeling bad.

Tell her to F Off. Or don't invite her round again.

Oh and when you're round at her house pick faults with her standards of living. She might be rich but I'm sure she's not perfect!!

We also don't have a huge amount of space in our house but like yourself OP, we just 'make do' with our lot and don't complain. Better than having no roof over our head.

Alouiseg · 13/06/2010 09:06

You might just have a tiny chip on your shoulder.

The in laws were ott but they were brought up one way and you brought up differently. You had to make do and mend they had the resources they needed.

Take a deep breath, keep lines of communication open.

Don't take it so personally. If anyone was helping me lay the table I'd switch to wine pouring duties and let them get on with it.

I bet they're not trying to belittle you but steer you in their direction. After all you are part of the family.

tiredlady · 13/06/2010 09:09

Xenia, why should the OP go and earn more money?
The OP sounds relaxed and confident in her choices and lifestyle - anything but jealous, it's just the revolting rudeness of her relatives that she is upset about.

OP , you sound great. Your in laws sound awful.

arses · 13/06/2010 09:11

Thanks for all the supportive comments.

Xenia, not jealous per se.. if someone offered it to me on a plate, I would love a home like theirs, of course I would, but I don't feel resentment that they have it. There's also an element of cognitive dissonance to it, I think.. I amble along in my own life quite happily but then I am confronted by the fact that everyone else doesn't do things like I do and it makes me question how I do things. I think probably most new mums have this, to an extent.. you have to re-evaluate how you view things. I've never been that interested in property or in those finer things in life like pestles and mortars, but then I've never had a child before.. and I look at him and I don't want him to be the poor cousin, either and wonder if I've just been doing a half-arsed job of being grown up for the last few years.

I think dh feels more 'jealous' than I do. I feel something different.. mainly that 'not good enough' feeling that BDSM mentions.

BDSM, thanks for the link. I guess it's time to go back and revisit some of those old ishoos. It's been a while. I did Al-Anon in my early 20's and it made a tremendous difference to me, got me out of a terrible relationship and opened up the possibility of meeting dh who is a very good, decent man with no addiction issues of any type. It gave me a passport into a very typical family but sometimes I feel like a two-footed goat as some of it is just so alien to me. We never had anyone over to the house when I was a kid and my mother, despite being long divorced from my father, still doesn't. I feel very exposed when people come to my house and I know it's nothing to do with the bricks and mortar around me.. I really don't want my son to grow up feeling at a total loss re: hospitality but honestly, I have to push myself to remember to offer people a cup of tea. I think SIL just thought that she'd take over as I was doing such a ham-fisted job of hosting.. and to be fair, I don't think she realised the impact it was having on me. I kept trying to get her out of the kitchen but she kept saying: 'oh I find it hard to just sit down and relax' while I was playing with the baby next door.. which I guess was her way of trying to help but I immediately took it as her disapproving of me 'relaxing' with the baby..

The trouble with coming from a crazy home is that you have no benchmark for what's rude or not sometimes.. I can never work out where me being oversensitive ends and someone else being overbearing starts?

OP posts:
ProfYaffle · 13/06/2010 09:15

Your house sounds just like mine. I do feel judged by other people on occasion, I went through a phase of trying to up my game but, in the words of your Mother, I'm too busy with the 'proper business of life' to worry about serving bowls ffs.

I tend to handle it by labelling dh and I as non materialistic bohemians iyswim, given the chance we'll explain to others how we're not materialistic and prefer experiences to objects. It's kind of simplistic but basically true and gives people (ie mil ) a way of rationalising it to themselves.

If they persist beyond that you're entitled to tell them to fuck right off imho.

blueshoes · 13/06/2010 09:19

I am amazed a GP can afford a mini-mansion and chelsea tractors etc. Do they live in London? A GP's salary or twice even won't go very far.

There are people with their money who do not share their materialistic values or anal lifestyle. Your SIL is also incredibly insensitive and a bit OCD. Cannot imagine she is a very good GP.

blinder · 13/06/2010 09:23

Arses you sound very together and rational, and quite informed about your potential 'ishoos'.

No doubt the reason you needed to retreat to the bedroom for a cry was the appallingly crass behaviour of your guests who opened up your home for humiliating scrutiny and judgement.

Those suggesting 'jealousy' are just completely wrapped up in their own love of money. They can't empathise with someone who doesnt.

Well done for being prepared to look at your own stuff, but really in this situation YANBU.

LittleMissHissyFit · 13/06/2010 09:32

I defies belief as to how some people think they can go and visit and insult the host like that? I could forgive many things, but slob-like? there is absolutely no ambiguity in that comment is there?

I wouldn't have them round again, and if I was asked, I would be straight out with the reason.

I will not be insulted in my own home.

arses, you are head and shoulders above those people, all that privilege and no manners... all the trials and difficulties you have gone through and look at you... a well rounded, educated and cultured person. I know which of you I'd admire most!

Your IL are not good enough for YOU.. remember that!