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to not know how to kick the feeling of inadequacy at being the "poor relation" in every way imaginable?

144 replies

arses · 13/06/2010 08:08

Well, further to my other AIBU thread (screaming at the inlaws), I am still in need of MN to let off some steam..

Inlaws visiting this weekend. They are terribly successful. Have a ginormous house with about seven bedrooms and all mod cons (BIL and wife). Dh's BIL's wife is a GP as are all the rest of his siblings. All have these mini-mansions and great big Chelsea tractors and BMW's and the like.

We live in a 2-bed ex-council house in a city in the North of England with our six month old son. It's in an 'up and coming area' (or was before the recession) and there are fantastic facilities, we enjoy living here even if the estate is slightly scratty. We don't - and never have - seen it as a 'forever home': it was our step on to the ladder as public sector workers.

I didn't come from huge money myself: my father is an alcoholic and hasn't worked for years, my mother is a teacher. The drink soaked up a lot of cash until they split and it took some years for my mother to build up money of her own so we used to rent flats, move about a lot etc. Despite the dysfunction of it all, it wasn't all bad: I would say I learned how to 'make do and mend' and I don't see either things or property as particularly important (although I owning my own home is important to me).

Growing up was all a bit chaotic and housework was always pretty far down the agenda, but we were all relaxed about it and the house wasn't a candidate for 'how clean is your house' or anything, just very rough round the edges. My own home is the same. My mother's philosophy was that housework was secondary to pretty much everything else and as long as the bathroom and the kitchen were clean-ish and you could see all your floors, you could get on with what she considered the 'proper business of life' - talking, playing, writing, reading etc.

Anyway, fast forward to this weekend. SIL and I were initially rubbing eachother up the wrong way when talking about childcare.. but we moved on. Yesterday we decided with the good weather and the match to have a BBQ. It fits in with my 'slob like' tendency to do the easy hosting thing - chuck some food on the barbie, relax with it etc.

However, it turns out how the other half live was not compatible with my lackadaisical approach to home dining. SIL took over our (very small) kitchen. Where was my pestle and mortar? Did I have any red wine glasses (I have about six, we don't entertain formally as we don't have the space - no dining area). Where was my dish for serving fish? How did I cope without a pantry? Was it very hard without a utility room?

Then - mortifyingly - she took out the insert for the cutlery and cleaned it, complained that the oven wasn't very clean and emptied our fridge of all foods past their sell-by-date. She hoiked out our table (we never open it fully as it takes over half the living area) and set it fully but of course I didn't have the prerequisite 'proper' cutlery for this - I don't have serving mats or bowls to serve food in, it's just not what we do.

Meanwhile, BIL was with dh, asking how we 'lived like this' and asking were we going to continue on in such a small house for long..

I can't explain how horrible I felt about it all. I felt like such a failure as a wife, like the dirtiest, foulest slob imaginable. Rationally, I tell myself things like: 'it's not women's work' and it doesn't reflect on me as a person: my house doesn't have new fangled appliances and it isn't always spick and span but we are happy with it.. it has hot spots of clutter but is generally a pleasant place to live. However, in my heart I felt such shame. I tried to 'help out' in my own kitchen and found I just didn't know what to do or how to be, that somehow there were all these new rules about what I should be doing and where things should go and I couldn't find things.

I know that the shame side is partially to do with having grown up with an alcoholic: I feel terribly vulnerable when people root around in my house and disproportionately ashamed.. so I think that SIL was most probably trying to be helpful but it didn't stop me from heading upstairs to have a cry mid-afternoon .

In dh's family we are treated like a charity case. We're not. We're very much a middle-income family but this is where and how we live. I can see they have a different lifestyle but I don't feel the need to get them to embrace mine. Why on God's earth do I feel I have to apologise for not being uber-wealthy and having the right stuff when I don't even have any interest in it? Why do I feel ashamed of my rough-round-the-edges house when it suits our family just fine?

AIBU to have such thin skin and if so, what the fuck do I do about it?

OP posts:
greenbananas · 13/06/2010 11:30

If your SIL said that about your house, I can't imagine what she'd say about mine... Dirt on half the window sills, stacks of washing up in the sink and I swan off to the park with DS because it's a lovely day and he doesn't care whether or not the house is clean.

Be proud that you have got your priorities right. I noticed in your 2nd post that your SIL seems to think that playing with the baby is 'just sitting down and relaxing'. Oh how wrong, how wrong. Just goes to show that having lots of money doesn't make you wise.

danceswithfools · 13/06/2010 11:40

YANBU but I think that your SIL probably has more issues than you! If you feel the need to behave like that in someone else's house you must not feel confident in your own skin. People who are truly happy with themselves can recognise that other people might not want the same things as them. I would just feel sorry for her, you sound incredibly level headed and self aware and she doesn't!

Cretaceous · 13/06/2010 11:43

Greenbananas - surely everyone has different priorities - one isn't necessarily wrong or right? You can clean your house and look after your children. I tend to be in the dirty house category, but don't think I'm any better or worse at looking after DC because of that.

BelleDameSansMerci · 13/06/2010 11:46

arses it's very normal for people who've been brought up within an alcoholic environment to not really do the hosting thing even if your alcoholic parent did do it. The problem is that you know not to invite people to your home because you're never sure of what they might see; and you're usually conscious (at an early age) that your home is different from others...

It's hard to do this stuff instinctively when you don't have an easy frame of reference.

greenbananas · 13/06/2010 11:48

cretaceous - very true. I suppose what I meant is that if there's a choice between cleaning the house and playing with the baby, playing with the baby wins hands down every time. Obviously, I try and do both, but if there has to be a choice, I abandon the housework. I don't expect everyone to agree with me - this is AIBU, after all! Anyway, my slack habits aren't relevant to OP's situation - sorry OP.

fluffles · 13/06/2010 11:52

omg your inlaws sound AWFUL, there's no excuse for their behaviour.

BUT

you need to grow some self confidence in your own decisions... what makes her way the 'right' way? why couldn't you have turned it around and mocked her poncy ways? i would have said 'fish dish? are you kidding? it's a family bbq! not a 5star hotel'

turn it round and ask her if it's not terrible to have such a burden of posessions and always be keeping up with the joneses.. tell her you're happy with your much more sensible sized house in a much more edgy and vibrant area rather than dullsville suburbia..

but to do all of that you have to have self confidence, and if you don't have that then maybe you do need to do some thinking about your own life choices.

BalloonSlayer · 13/06/2010 11:53

They are arses

And ROFL at "Where was my pestle and mortar?"

Seriously, they need to get over themselves?

If they are so fab, why are they so insecure that they need to get their kicks making someone else feel small?

fluffles · 13/06/2010 11:55

oh, and i know it sounds trite but honestly - 'nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission'
eleanor roosevelt i believe

lovechoc · 13/06/2010 12:00

greenbananas I'm with you on the play with baby over housework thing. I'd much sooner put baby first over doing any housework. It does get done eventually but I tend to focus on going out places and doing fun stuff and leave the boring stuff like housework until I really need to do it.

BalloonSlayer · 13/06/2010 12:01

Suggested put-downs:

"Do you ask your patients how they live in small houses when you do home visits?"

When SIL phones, yell out: "DH!!!!! Margo on the phone for you!!"

greenbananas · 13/06/2010 12:13

thanks lovechoc, it feels good to be told that. So I'm back to say (on a similarly affirming note): OP, you sound very sorted and lovely and I think your baby is lucky to have a mum like you. Stick to what you know is right, and don't let anybody grind you down. I think your SIL's behaviour is almost pathologically tactless and hurtful. Although she clearly has issues of her own, anybody would be upset by what she said and did and you are not being unreasonable at all.

StealthPolarBear · 13/06/2010 12:32

can we have an MN challenge to find a fish plate for the OP to use next time her SIL comes round. The more hideous the better and it should of course be used to serve value fish fingers

StealthPolarBear · 13/06/2010 12:34

bit pricey but you're paying for the sheer hideousness

StealthPolarBear · 13/06/2010 12:35

ooh this one's ever more hideous and loads cheaper

you could even have a collection

EveWasFramed10 · 13/06/2010 12:40

Arses...your post made me want to cry a little!! First a very UN-MN like hug to you. You ILs were so unbelievably rude...here you are hosting them, making them food, and they shit all over you...I don't blame you for feeling horrible!

I don't know what else to say...

Your priorities are perfect...who fucking cares if you don't have the 'right' kitchen stuff...you are happy and know what's important.

I have to say, I did nearly PMSL at 'mortar and pestle'...good heavens, such smugness!!!

EveWasFramed10 · 13/06/2010 12:40

BTW, StealthPolarBear...ROFL at 'value fish fingers'...

BelleDameSansMerci · 13/06/2010 12:47

stealth - those were f*cking shockingly awful! Well done...

Morloth · 13/06/2010 12:47

No no, you are viewing this the wrong way. I too do housework only under sufferance and as little as I can get away with.

When my MIL and/or sister visit and tut they also clean. Now you have a cleaner kitchen for no effort whatsoever.

Invite her over more often, she might do the bathroom next time!

hifi · 13/06/2010 12:49

the comments were rude but maybe she thought she was helping you out with the cleaning?i scuff my friend out when i visit as i know she cant cope with it.

toucancancan · 13/06/2010 13:05

It sounds like they should stay in a hotel next time they visit.

anyabanya · 13/06/2010 13:11

Hey Stealth, I HAVE one of those platters!

never thought they were hideous though.

anyabanya · 13/06/2010 13:12

Disclaimer.... was a wedding present.....

[door shuts as anyabanya goes to check out her assorted fish platter shite]

Xenia · 13/06/2010 13:13

I agree with f which was similar to my piont - be self confident in your own choices and turn it round on to the other person.

I can't suit in a room if it's messy and one of my children is the same. She'll even get the hoover out first. I need the calmness, feng shui or whatever and peace of nothing in the way on the horizon. Not everyone is the same and it limits the rooms in the house I feel I can relax in too. My bed room has so little out it probably looks like I moved in last week or it's a hotel room and I like it like that given the impact 5 children have had on the house... three of whom came back after univesrity with even more stuff. I've always said since we moved here to this big bouse with lots of space my aim is to empty the house of possessions... it's a joke because it's always crammed with stuff but may be at some point I will get to clear some stuff away.

victoriascrumptious · 13/06/2010 13:13

I would not have hestistated to physically throw SIL from the house. I am that anyone would behave like that. Please never see these people again for your own state of mind

secunda · 13/06/2010 13:16

Tell her it's very lower-middle-class to be obsessed with cleanliness

I have a pestle and mortar (present) and a pointless piece o' shite it is too - I keep my keys in it