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to not know how to kick the feeling of inadequacy at being the "poor relation" in every way imaginable?

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arses · 13/06/2010 08:08

Well, further to my other AIBU thread (screaming at the inlaws), I am still in need of MN to let off some steam..

Inlaws visiting this weekend. They are terribly successful. Have a ginormous house with about seven bedrooms and all mod cons (BIL and wife). Dh's BIL's wife is a GP as are all the rest of his siblings. All have these mini-mansions and great big Chelsea tractors and BMW's and the like.

We live in a 2-bed ex-council house in a city in the North of England with our six month old son. It's in an 'up and coming area' (or was before the recession) and there are fantastic facilities, we enjoy living here even if the estate is slightly scratty. We don't - and never have - seen it as a 'forever home': it was our step on to the ladder as public sector workers.

I didn't come from huge money myself: my father is an alcoholic and hasn't worked for years, my mother is a teacher. The drink soaked up a lot of cash until they split and it took some years for my mother to build up money of her own so we used to rent flats, move about a lot etc. Despite the dysfunction of it all, it wasn't all bad: I would say I learned how to 'make do and mend' and I don't see either things or property as particularly important (although I owning my own home is important to me).

Growing up was all a bit chaotic and housework was always pretty far down the agenda, but we were all relaxed about it and the house wasn't a candidate for 'how clean is your house' or anything, just very rough round the edges. My own home is the same. My mother's philosophy was that housework was secondary to pretty much everything else and as long as the bathroom and the kitchen were clean-ish and you could see all your floors, you could get on with what she considered the 'proper business of life' - talking, playing, writing, reading etc.

Anyway, fast forward to this weekend. SIL and I were initially rubbing eachother up the wrong way when talking about childcare.. but we moved on. Yesterday we decided with the good weather and the match to have a BBQ. It fits in with my 'slob like' tendency to do the easy hosting thing - chuck some food on the barbie, relax with it etc.

However, it turns out how the other half live was not compatible with my lackadaisical approach to home dining. SIL took over our (very small) kitchen. Where was my pestle and mortar? Did I have any red wine glasses (I have about six, we don't entertain formally as we don't have the space - no dining area). Where was my dish for serving fish? How did I cope without a pantry? Was it very hard without a utility room?

Then - mortifyingly - she took out the insert for the cutlery and cleaned it, complained that the oven wasn't very clean and emptied our fridge of all foods past their sell-by-date. She hoiked out our table (we never open it fully as it takes over half the living area) and set it fully but of course I didn't have the prerequisite 'proper' cutlery for this - I don't have serving mats or bowls to serve food in, it's just not what we do.

Meanwhile, BIL was with dh, asking how we 'lived like this' and asking were we going to continue on in such a small house for long..

I can't explain how horrible I felt about it all. I felt like such a failure as a wife, like the dirtiest, foulest slob imaginable. Rationally, I tell myself things like: 'it's not women's work' and it doesn't reflect on me as a person: my house doesn't have new fangled appliances and it isn't always spick and span but we are happy with it.. it has hot spots of clutter but is generally a pleasant place to live. However, in my heart I felt such shame. I tried to 'help out' in my own kitchen and found I just didn't know what to do or how to be, that somehow there were all these new rules about what I should be doing and where things should go and I couldn't find things.

I know that the shame side is partially to do with having grown up with an alcoholic: I feel terribly vulnerable when people root around in my house and disproportionately ashamed.. so I think that SIL was most probably trying to be helpful but it didn't stop me from heading upstairs to have a cry mid-afternoon .

In dh's family we are treated like a charity case. We're not. We're very much a middle-income family but this is where and how we live. I can see they have a different lifestyle but I don't feel the need to get them to embrace mine. Why on God's earth do I feel I have to apologise for not being uber-wealthy and having the right stuff when I don't even have any interest in it? Why do I feel ashamed of my rough-round-the-edges house when it suits our family just fine?

AIBU to have such thin skin and if so, what the fuck do I do about it?

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comixminx · 13/06/2010 14:15

As everyone else has said - how rude of SIL and BIL! The kindest thing is to write it off as "trying to be helpful" but to be honest I'm not even sure about that, because it's so staggeringly insensitive & interfering to do things like clean other people's houses without being asked. (My mum has done it to me in the past but luckily has given up now - I told her in no uncertain terms that we each had our own house rules and she'd have to live with mine being different from hers!)

So no, YANBU - but I guess as you say that part of dealing with your issues from childhood may be also learning how to cope with this sort of behaviour. At least you have lots of MN confirmation that this is unreasonable behaviour on their part, so you can feel justified in challenging it; finding a good way to do (that you feel comfortable with) is another matter, of course, but still...

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oldandgreynow · 13/06/2010 15:15

DDs best friend's mum is a consultant.They have the dirtiest smeeliest house of anyone I know.But lovely people.
Console yourself with the fact that doctors have the highest rate of alcoholism,suicide and divorce of any occupation

secunda · 13/06/2010 15:18

yes doctors are a bunch of shaggers. One or both of them is probably having an affair

stickylittlefingers · 13/06/2010 15:31

It's a bit worrying that someone working as a GP is so insensitive... but then I think about some of the GPs I have known... Tho I'm friends with some up the road, and they're very lacksadaisical about being super sanitary, despite being ever so rich (compared to most people round here). Main thing, they're just lovely people who woudn't dream of saying/doing anything so hurtful.

Hold you head high - you have your life and live it your way.

StealthPolarBear · 13/06/2010 15:33

sorry anyabanya feel free to come & look through my cupboards to laugh - i have a lazy susan

biddyofsuburbia · 13/06/2010 15:38

OMG, my MIL has just moved house and given me an ever so lovely fish plate, it's got a fish painted on it too, in lovely garish colours, just in case you weren't sure what it was for. Frankly using that would be more embarrassing than not having a flippin' fish plate

StealthPolarBear · 13/06/2010 15:41

you have one too don't you

clam · 13/06/2010 15:59

What's a lazy susan? A cleaning lady who's not very good?

ladysybil · 13/06/2010 16:08

Thank you for this thread.

imo. your in laws were incredibly rude. you were not well prepared for their visit. by that i dont mean silly things like having a fish dish, but you needed to ensure you didnt get upset by them. one of the things i always do when i am having difficult guests over, is to invite my sister as well. she is a rock. she helps with everything. preparation before, and during. conversations during. everything. she steers the conversation. backs me up. is wonderful. when she hasnt been here to help me, i have another friend whom i have invited when ive had difficult inlaws over. again, it is extra backing so i dont get upset by their crapness. can you do something like this to help you out?

biscuitsandbandages · 13/06/2010 16:16

I'm a GP, as is DH. We live in a small two bedroom flat and will be renting when we move as we can't afford a deposit. The doctors we know who have even small houses either had help from the bank of mum and dad or are older than us and bought prior to 2000 so had equity to trade up. I grew up on a council estate and neither of us have families who are in the position to help us financially at all.

(sorry to side track but it always makes me upset to hear how well off GPs are supposed to be when its the minority that earn over 100,000 and the numbers quoted are practice income before staff and overheads usually not take home pay. None of my friends earn that much certainly).

Your SIL needs to grow up - your house sounds great to me - I'd be so happy to have a house and be able to send the DSs upstairs to bed! oh and to have a garden! I'd be dead jealous (but very polite) if you invited me round for a BBQ .

ps. what the **s a fish platter?

anyabanya · 13/06/2010 16:17

No lazy susan's in this house, Stealth.

I have a fondue set and a chicken brick though!

I have way too much crap in my house. 'Tis official.

Am hoping that arses is having a good day though and the nasty ILs have buggered off.

sarah293 · 13/06/2010 16:19

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anyabanya · 13/06/2010 16:24

Oh it is something seriously wierd. We have never used it, and it is YEARS old. It is a terracotta pot that you wet down and put a chicken in it and it cooks somehow. (I am vague on details). We use ours to store stuff in.

ZZZenAgain · 13/06/2010 16:26

when your ILs come round, make sure you have some good friends there too who live in a similar fashion to you.

I would be straight: I know we don't live as comfortably as you do, our lifestyle is quite simple so when you come round you will have to keep that it mind, we don't have all the modcons and kitchenware you have but if you keep mentioning it, it does take the enjyoment out of your visits. Can you see how that, how it feels to be on the receiving end of those comments.

I tell it like it is. And then say, alright I had to say it befroe I explode, now let's have some red wine in whatever glasses we can find, the bigger the better.

biddyofsuburbia · 13/06/2010 16:27

at Riven. I've got a (barely used) chicken brick! It's a clay pot you stick the chicken in which keeps it nice and succulent! Also a fondue set (very 70's) currently used for storing matches and odds and sods. Does someone want to start a 'seemed like a great idea at the time' kitchen paraphernalia thread?! Sorry OP hopefully you saw my reply to your post earlier!

Mercedes519 · 13/06/2010 16:29

I would feel sorry for your SIL as she is clearly lacking the skills to feel empathy - i.e. the ability to understand what others are feeling and realise that people have different ideas, views and feelings.

Its a vital skill to have as a good friend, partner and person and I'm sure we all know someone like it.

I have a SIL who would give you the coat off her back but lacks the ability to see that other people may think different things. For example, organising really expensive family things when DH has just been made redundant...

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Mercedes519 · 13/06/2010 16:30

Oh and we have an olive stoner but someone gave it to us and I can't remember the last time I bought olives, let alone stoned one!

Xenia · 13/06/2010 16:36

M hits is on the head. Some people feel empathy and the feelings of others and others don't. It's just a personality issue.

And it's all relative. For others a family only of GPs would be.. not that well paid compared to some thigns and paid by the state ugh... state employees at the mercy of the state. But wherever you are an d what you do there will always be people who are different and who earn more or less or who bother about fish dishes or whatever. ALthough of course every GP in the land who works full time is much better off than someone on the £13k a year full time minimum wage or even the £25k pa gross median UK wage.

If you feel self confident in yourself things are easier in general for most people.

GrendelsMum · 13/06/2010 16:39

Your SiL and BiL are unpleasant, narrow minded people.

For what it's worth, through a mixture of good fortune and hard work DH and I would be generally considered very privileged and well off. I would a MILLION times rather come round and eat a nice normal dinner at your house than set foot in the dining room of snobbish rudesbies like your SiL and BiL. Your planned lunch sounds lovely. I mean, for heavens sake, it was a family lunch.

It's well known among the medical community that certain groups of people in the medical profession tend to have very poor social skills. (I've been to parties where some people play 'guess the medical speciality' by the level of social ineptitude) There's also a fair proportion who genuinely mean well, but haven't developed the social skills to be anything other than somewhat weird and occasionally very rude.

And I think that ZZZenAgain is right - you do need to point out to them how unacceptable their behaviour is. Frnakly, I suspect they're rather insensitive, so they probably won't mind you doing this as much as you will mind saying it!

anyabanya · 13/06/2010 16:49

I don't think ANYONE needs one, Riven!

anyabanya · 13/06/2010 16:50

Or a flippin' fish platter either. (hence, why they are for sale on ebay. Unwanted gifts, clearly).

mrsincommunicado · 13/06/2010 16:52

arses if you can, get hold of a copy of the Mike Leigh movie High Hopes www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCSbZOG-j34&feature=related

It will cheer you up no end....

Earthymama · 13/06/2010 17:04

I really don't know what to say to you as I'm so shocked at your SIL's behaviour, she's an unthinking, supercilious old bag!!

I, too, am the child of an alchoholic and a very 'nervy' woman, and I used to find it very difficul to relax around other people in my home, especially as my ex MIL and her best mate came over when I had my DD and cleaned my cooker. Now that sounds really helpful, but it never was intended to be, it was to point out my shortcomings as a woman and a wife. I still resent it and it happened over 30 years ago.

I live in a little house and I'm a hoarder which used to depress me but I have had a turn around in my thinking. I look back to the time when I considered shopping and the acquisition of possessions as a period of madness in my life. I have wasted so much money and resources on crap I didn't need. But now I keep things if they are useful even if I only use them once a month.
There's a lovely thread on here, Frugal that is light hearted but really conveys this shift in thinking.

So investigate self-sufficiency, environmental and eco-living; it will probably chime with how you want to live and you can create a legacy for your child of not being wasteful that will serve your little one well as we face up to the changes that will come.

Then when your SIL climbs on her high horse you can say, 'We don't do that in our home' and give your reasons or not.

But don't feel inadequate, my knife drawer always has crumbs in it, because I cook!! and I'd rather read a book than clean the bloody thing obsessively!!