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to not know how to kick the feeling of inadequacy at being the "poor relation" in every way imaginable?

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arses · 13/06/2010 08:08

Well, further to my other AIBU thread (screaming at the inlaws), I am still in need of MN to let off some steam..

Inlaws visiting this weekend. They are terribly successful. Have a ginormous house with about seven bedrooms and all mod cons (BIL and wife). Dh's BIL's wife is a GP as are all the rest of his siblings. All have these mini-mansions and great big Chelsea tractors and BMW's and the like.

We live in a 2-bed ex-council house in a city in the North of England with our six month old son. It's in an 'up and coming area' (or was before the recession) and there are fantastic facilities, we enjoy living here even if the estate is slightly scratty. We don't - and never have - seen it as a 'forever home': it was our step on to the ladder as public sector workers.

I didn't come from huge money myself: my father is an alcoholic and hasn't worked for years, my mother is a teacher. The drink soaked up a lot of cash until they split and it took some years for my mother to build up money of her own so we used to rent flats, move about a lot etc. Despite the dysfunction of it all, it wasn't all bad: I would say I learned how to 'make do and mend' and I don't see either things or property as particularly important (although I owning my own home is important to me).

Growing up was all a bit chaotic and housework was always pretty far down the agenda, but we were all relaxed about it and the house wasn't a candidate for 'how clean is your house' or anything, just very rough round the edges. My own home is the same. My mother's philosophy was that housework was secondary to pretty much everything else and as long as the bathroom and the kitchen were clean-ish and you could see all your floors, you could get on with what she considered the 'proper business of life' - talking, playing, writing, reading etc.

Anyway, fast forward to this weekend. SIL and I were initially rubbing eachother up the wrong way when talking about childcare.. but we moved on. Yesterday we decided with the good weather and the match to have a BBQ. It fits in with my 'slob like' tendency to do the easy hosting thing - chuck some food on the barbie, relax with it etc.

However, it turns out how the other half live was not compatible with my lackadaisical approach to home dining. SIL took over our (very small) kitchen. Where was my pestle and mortar? Did I have any red wine glasses (I have about six, we don't entertain formally as we don't have the space - no dining area). Where was my dish for serving fish? How did I cope without a pantry? Was it very hard without a utility room?

Then - mortifyingly - she took out the insert for the cutlery and cleaned it, complained that the oven wasn't very clean and emptied our fridge of all foods past their sell-by-date. She hoiked out our table (we never open it fully as it takes over half the living area) and set it fully but of course I didn't have the prerequisite 'proper' cutlery for this - I don't have serving mats or bowls to serve food in, it's just not what we do.

Meanwhile, BIL was with dh, asking how we 'lived like this' and asking were we going to continue on in such a small house for long..

I can't explain how horrible I felt about it all. I felt like such a failure as a wife, like the dirtiest, foulest slob imaginable. Rationally, I tell myself things like: 'it's not women's work' and it doesn't reflect on me as a person: my house doesn't have new fangled appliances and it isn't always spick and span but we are happy with it.. it has hot spots of clutter but is generally a pleasant place to live. However, in my heart I felt such shame. I tried to 'help out' in my own kitchen and found I just didn't know what to do or how to be, that somehow there were all these new rules about what I should be doing and where things should go and I couldn't find things.

I know that the shame side is partially to do with having grown up with an alcoholic: I feel terribly vulnerable when people root around in my house and disproportionately ashamed.. so I think that SIL was most probably trying to be helpful but it didn't stop me from heading upstairs to have a cry mid-afternoon .

In dh's family we are treated like a charity case. We're not. We're very much a middle-income family but this is where and how we live. I can see they have a different lifestyle but I don't feel the need to get them to embrace mine. Why on God's earth do I feel I have to apologise for not being uber-wealthy and having the right stuff when I don't even have any interest in it? Why do I feel ashamed of my rough-round-the-edges house when it suits our family just fine?

AIBU to have such thin skin and if so, what the fuck do I do about it?

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LittleMissHissyFit · 13/06/2010 21:15

Fellatio, i think there was a resounding they are arseholes and should never again grace your home... So, dusts hands off, shines nails, job done...

spb yep, follow the instructions on the box, put the racks in the bag with half the solution, leave over night soaking, sponge ont he remaining half all over the oven, check every 2-3 hours or so and sponge a bit more goo on the tough bits in the oven, again leave overnight, sponge off with warm soapy water.

Add water to the bag, snip end let goo-ey water out of the bag down the drain, and that is literally as hard as it gets....

Yeah, go on, what DID DH say to his DB? is he as outraged as OP?

kick em to the kurb.. they are just awful.

2Eliza2 · 13/06/2010 21:21

Generally if people have a go at other people like this it indicates to me that they're not quite as secure and confident as they might like to be.

We once had friends to lunch in our smallish cottage for the first time. They spent the first 20 minutes telling us how wonderful the house of the friend they'd just been visiting was. The decor! The space! The flooring!

Our house isn't big but it is cosy and quite pretty, in a gorgeous, safe village, with lots of hard-working, down-to-earth people whose children our children have played with outside from very young. We are very happy.

scottishmummy · 13/06/2010 21:31

you graciously offer food,invite them as guests and all they can do is harrumph and opine

rude,ghastly.and for all their money they have no class

you dont have to explain self to them.at all

and poncey trinkets and disposable income doesnt make them better than you.they could do with some humility

sorry they made you feel bad

poppymouse · 13/06/2010 21:34

I love people like you (i.e. loving, not grasping)! We are both public sector and although we have a good joint income the in-laws are in a different league! One income and beautiful big house where they can have us stay over. We struggle to fit everyone in if they come round to lunch and have mismatched crockery. They have never made us feel bad about it though. I love your attitude that there is more to life than expensive cars and so on. You're the one who has the right idea, you're a good person, don't let them make you think otherwise. What would I do if my in-laws carried on like that? Would it help to tell them that you are happy as you are? Or laugh and say "a pantry? what planet do you come from? You're so weird." or worth the risk of telling them it is actually hurtful when they make their remarks. In an ideal world your DH would ask them to treat you with more respect. Wish you all the best anyway. I think your DS will grow up with good values and manners, and that is what being a good parent is all about.

ilikemrclooney · 13/06/2010 21:37

I really feel for the OP and a lot of the content is very familiar. My DH is from a really comfortabley off, upper middle class family who are on the whole lovely. However, i will always feel the poor relation and a bit ashamed of our small and frankly badly maintained terrace house which doesn't have the lovley lawn for the kids to frolic on like all their cousins have. Luckily we manage to almost completely avoid hosting anything or any body cos we don't have the space and we do the visiting. I try not to allow myself to think about my inlaws being disapointed that their grand children are not growing up in the leafy suburbs and to be fair they mostly do a good job of hiding this. Which i am very gratefull of.
BUT i know that my kids, compared to many, many children are incredibly privaliged and have amazing oportunities open to them. I also doubt that they ever lie awake at night wishing that we had an aga, or even a big garden. We have much better parks than their cousins who live in a twee village!
So OP, i hope you are able to worry less about this as time goes on and you see your child grow up happy and loved and rounded, without (god knows how) the proper cutlery or olive platters.

Horton · 13/06/2010 21:39

Horrid people. You sound really nice. Please try not to let it bother you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with how you live. FWIW, I expect to die before I need a fish platter (and I am in the best of health).

smallorange · 13/06/2010 22:21

God we are perfectly normal among our peers - although my tenement is a bit more chaotic.

But when DP's American relatives visit - dad Oil millionnaire, kids work at same company - we are definitely the poor relations.

We've had the 'i don't know how they live like that,' comment.

I don't have serving dishes, placemats and all that crap. Would rather be studying/ outside running than vleaning. I hope my girls feel that way too.

I would like a new sofa as ours has been the victim of potty training and jam sandwiches and is in a rather embarrassing state. But will have to wait til I ho back to work afford one.

I try to focus on what is important to me. Emphasise to your in-laws how happy you are, but that your values are not the same as theirs. There is alot yo be said for a low mortgage, low cost lifestyle in this economic climate.

Remember: noone can make you feel inferior eithout your consent.

Your SIL sounds like a cow by the way.

TakeLovingChances · 14/06/2010 01:53

OP - you sound lovely and tbh, a lot like me When I read your post I was asking myself what a 'fish dish' is.... umm, like a plate? I'm still not sure

My DH is a GP and there is no way he earns £100-£200k like Xenia seems to think GPs earn. That is Daily Mail fodder if ever I heard it. Perhaps in certain posh areas of London a head GP in a practice might earn that, but normal GPs? No way.

Your cheeky cat of a SIL will be smirking on the other side of her face when her baby comes and she won't have time or energy to maintain her palace of a house. She is in for a big shock.

Also, I'm sad that they are giving GPs a bad rep for being cash-hungry snobs. We live in a 3 bed semi, not a big house, but big enough for us and DS. Not all GPs are snobs.

OP - YANBU.

barbigirl · 14/06/2010 09:01

OP- I think you should ring a blabbermouth member of the extended family and bang on about how lovely it was having the in laws over. They are just a delight and so helpful!

Then, in a voice of concern, add that you're just a bit worried as SIL seemed to want to spend a lot of time in your kitchen hiding from her DC and her DH. You're just checking everything's okay with her because she seems to be developing some sort of cleaning OCD?

Evil I know!

victoriascrumptious · 14/06/2010 12:20

Could somebody please explain the point of a fish dish. Is it to bring fish to the table so that everyone can help themselves? Is it especially long or something?

Also it sounds like a really naff thing to own

lisianthus · 14/06/2010 13:41

OP YANBU. Your inlaws are AWFUL.

You must be a saint. Anyone who tried to take over my kitchen would probably trigger the Rage(TM). But then I am a little bit territorial there.

Next time they come (hopefully they won't come again, but just in case...) get your DH to run interference for you and drag the so-and-sos out of the kitchen.

And use of barbigirl's and BalloonSlayer's suggestions for remarks wouldn't hurt either. Then they will know that they can't make patronising remarks without there being consequences.

By the way, your house and the way you live sounds lovely and I like your philosophy which seems to be a great way to bring up relaxed, happy children.

Horton · 14/06/2010 19:47

I am guessing that the fish dish thing is one of those long oval platters used for serving a whole salmon or similar. I guess most people could live their lives comfortably without one. My mum has one but then she regularly does garden party type affairs for fifty people. This is because she hasn't got a job, has lots of spare money and loves entertaining so has masses of time to devote to poaching enormous fish and covering them in cucumber slices etc. Frankly, when I'm retired, I'm going to be down the pub with DH and DD and whoever wants to join us. But horses for courses etc. Should I end up with lots of spare money, I will buy all the drinks.

minipie · 14/06/2010 20:09

OP - your inlaws sound incredibly rude. And frankly quite dull if they are so het up about money and houseproud.

I suggest you stick it back to them with a few well placed comments about the things they may feel insecure about (assuming the following are true):

"Yes the house isn't that valuable but it's so much better than having a ginormous mortgage hanging round our necks"

"We don't throw away out of date food here, it's not very environmentally friendly and we're trying to cut down landfill"

"Isn't it a bit Hyacinth Bucket to have special fish dishes?"

"I'd hate to be one of those dreadfully dull people whose house is completely sparkling"

Or, of course, you could rise above it

ZacharyQuack · 15/06/2010 13:04

Well at least you've sold the "what will we get BIL and SIL for Christmas" dilemma.

Massive hideous fish platter. Every year.

Xenia · 16/06/2010 15:22

(GP pay - "General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a partnership, with their local primary care trust (PCT). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.

Salaried GPs employed directly by PCTs earn between £53,249 to 80,354, dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience."

Our local ones do very well - very very large group practices. There are 13,000 patients at our surgery which is I presume rather large and they do a lot of services and I think the main GPs will work for themselves but obviously they also pay rent etc. I suspect some of them do rather well.)

giveitago · 16/06/2010 18:16

Xenia -you seem to be mellowing a bit.

OP - well I have it from both sides. Look, my ils live abroad and when I first met them they lived in prefab - I've been around but I've never seen this type of life. But you know what - they fed and watered me and I took in the vein in which it was given aka GOOD GRACE.

I haven't had that life and neither do I ever want to but they didn't have many options (it was to with poverty and natural distaster) and so I cannot tell them how to live as they don't have the capactity to live any other life and they may not want to.They offered me a bed and food and drink - that's actually very nice.

Many years and a dc on our relationship is dire but it has zero to do with how they live at all. I'm not a snob like that.

On the other hand my dm's family are rich rich rich and they cannot understand how I could marry a 'poor' bloke and work like a dog.

I have my relatives turning up in fuck off sports cars having come back from very nice holiday's to my small flat and just going 'poooor youuuuuu'.

I don't want their lives and they don't want mine- and I don't want my ils. I'm fine.

The people I have most problems with are ils though - they come and bleed my dry in terms of everything and just criticise us for everything (I mean everything) because I guess they are jealous.

There are arses out there. If you are happy with your way of living why should they care.

More importantly caring too much about what others think about your lifestyle detracts from what is important - ie your and your family's happiness.

StrictlyTory · 16/06/2010 19:38

MIL does this all the time, asks for things she knows I won't have! But her house is a filthy tip so while I tell her for the 100th time that I don't own a bloody ceramic rolling pin I think of the carpet thick with dog hairs and the shelves covered in dust and smile to myself

edam · 16/06/2010 21:08

Good grief! Your ILs sound like oafs. Next time they come over - if you ever feel gracious enough to have such rude, obnoxious people in your house again - play bingo with dh. Award points every time you hear SIL being snide. You know, five points if she says 'haven't you got fish knives (or anything else)' or ten points if she says 'how do you manage without '. Ten points if BIL asks dh about the small house.

Then when they've gone, compare scores and have a giggle about it. 'Oh God, your SIL is so awful, you won't believe what she said...' and 'Did you see my face when my brother announced...?' Turn it into a game!

LadyG · 17/06/2010 20:56

Oh Lord I feel like this whenever anyone comes round.

Last time no one could find a water jug so someone filled up a hideous decanter that was a never used wedding present cue much hilarity. Our crockery is always mismatched and chipped half the time, the in-laws are forever buying us teaspoons (we can never find a teaspoon here!!) the wine glasses are cheap pub style. The house is clean and tidyish if you ignore DHs paper mountain and the toy flood... The lawn is bare in patches, I haven't planted anything since we moved in two years ago-the sand from the sandpit is all over the patio-I could go on...

We could probably do something about all these things but we work and our kids are small-also I just don't care enough about that stuff-certainly not when the kids are small and everything gets trashed anyway. Anyway when the visitors have gone home I happily go back to not caring.....and so should the OP.

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