to want to bag up my children and dump them in the river?

[Greensleeves]

they have had a lovely day today - a friend over all day, a water fight with water bombs and water pistols followed by fluffy dressing gowns and hot pizza, played on the Wii with their friend, then watched the world cup and had treats (choc chip muffins and pringles ) to munch during the game

for some reason they have behaved atrociously for the past hour and a half

ds1 was so rude and disrespectful we told him he needed to be quiet so we could watch the football, or take himself off to bed - several warnings

he snarled "Oh FINE I'm off to bed then" to which we replied "Night then, don't forget to brush your teeth"

when he realised we weren't going to invite him back down again he threw an enormous screaming tantrum and unrolled all the toilet rolls down the stairs

ds2 then went to bed and jumped on the top bunk (which he has been warned about endlessly) and has broken it, so he is sleeping on the floor

they are both crying and wailing and ds1 is still being rude as well

ds2 is supposed to be going on a jud course tomorrow morning, neither of us want to bloody well get up early and take him now

I am upset and furious

and dh is ashen and silent again, I know he feels rotten because he lost it and screamed at them when he saw the toilet rolls

we are shit parents, aren;t we?

no, no, the sense of humour is returning, gradually - you always help one way or another

you are right kooky, I do tend to throw up my hands in despair

I think it is because I am terified of creating bad memories for them, I want their lives to be full of sunshine and love and hilarity, but I also want them to behave like human beings at least part of the time

I am shit at "discipline", I hate the idea and the practice of it in just about every form I've come across. I am a good mum when things are going well. The rest of the time I am fucking useless.

I put plenty of thought into my thread title

and I am happy with it

I refer you to the answer I gave some moments ago

Re: the dicipline. Maybe you could just take them to the river and dip their toes in as a sort of warning?

bollocks to all this 'thought to thread titles shit'

sometime si want to put my kids up on ebay.

and i joked that dd4 was broken when she didnt sleep for 16months and could i sen her back for a refund.

Dd1 did that to her bed not ago. You have my sympathies. Are the bunks wooden?

BTW, DH also lost it and screamed after the bunk beds incident.

i always find your children delightful, rather spirited human beings
i also like the way you and dh deal with them with humour and empathy, and you make a good team a lot of the time i think
no-one gets it right all the time
this is ok

and while we are being snarky, it IS a frigging hyperbole
"Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɜrbəli/,[1] from ancient Greek ὑπερβολή 'exaggeration'), is a rhetorical device in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally."

Oi nobbo give them a bedtime etc then!!! Do no tale ds to judo nmalenthis a point of reference. Tell them how upset it made you. Tell them what you e pect ne t time. Then move on

metal bunkbeds are the way forward. my dad never trusted wooden slats after we broke a bed jumping on it as kids

I've been having all sort of issues recently with ebay with a couple of buyers sending stuff back claiming that the items werent as described. Friday Ads is best for children

Sorry the title did make me feel odd. Could you not change it...?

Greeny my DS is never worse than when he has had a lot of treats, an exciting fun day, been given things etc. Birthdays/xmas are horrendous - he gets used to being given lots of things and becomes demanding and sounds like a spoilt horror, which he really isn't. I think it's just what you get with kids this age really. Bloody annoying but they were overexcited and tired and so they were a PITA - it's normal.

You don't give your kids a fun day because you expect a reward of them being fantastically behaved - or at least you shouldn't!

Its all fine...I mean they had Pringles and cake..but no fruit shoots...

Had you given them fruit shoots however, think that may have been worse than the thread title

there are boundaries, quite specific ones

that is not the same as having a clockwork routine and fixed bed/mealtimes

dh and I don't want to live like that (in fact I doubt we are capable of it) and most of the time our children are NOT vile screechy uncontrollable little hellions

just tonight!

How about "AIBU to be mildly bemused by the exuberant behaviour of my dear children to the extent that I inwardly sighed" ?

No snowflake you will have to hide it I'm afraid

or report it and HQ will delete

i am a fan of regular bedtimes and reasonable restrictions on junk food
i feel it helps me avoid this kind of situation
i admire people's nerve when they have a different style eg letting children choose their own bedtimes, but it wouldn't work for me - it sounds like parts of it work for you and parts of it don't? if it's very important to you that the day ends well and peacefully, then an unrestricted bedtime might not be the best
i wouldn't say you are shit at discipline or even that you avoid it actually
i think you're painting a rather skewed picture of your parenting

Your memories theory is shit though greeny dad always lolls that we remember family hlodays so nicely and he remembers them fraught full of cross words and emboutaillages. My dh once said to me that if we didnt put our feet down with ds then he would be bullied at school and everyone would hate him. It's true spoiled kids are vile.

btw when i said
"i feel it helps me avoid this kind of situation"
that sounds remarkably smug
i was meaning to imply i LIKE to feel it helps me avoid it
whether it actually does is another matter

"AIBU to be mildly perplexed by the creative endeavors of my children to the extent that were I a different person an uncharitable thought MAY have crossed my mind".

Smug cah

LOL alaska my ds1 always remembers the crap parts of things
eg if we went on the most amazing month long family holiday he would say "do you remember that hangnail i got on my finger"

wee...eeelll - it's not an "unrestricted bedtime", they go to bed when we send them (after due notice has been given)

sometimes that is as early as 6.30, if they are under the weather or overtired

sometimes it is much later, if it is a special occasion/on holiday/New Year's Eve/England's opening World Cup match

usually this does NOT lead to tantrums and horrible behaviour, otherwise we would have changed it

I do think they ate too much crap, but I decided to allow it - it wasn't evil food colourings or anything, just pizza, crisps and cake

and again, we do have late nights out eating out or whatever sometimes, and usually they just get tired and go to bed

obviously today we fucked something up, am trying to pinpoint what

but am not going to overhaul our entire lifestyle over it

If you do, by any chance, decide to bag them up and throw them in the river, could you take DH with you? He could do with being thrown into a river also.

The dc are fine tonight. They have been quite good. I'm scared .

I remember the poppyseed by my grAmmys gate today. My mum was all " poppies?" you cAn't control memory. You are parenting today not for tomorrow , that's very hallmark