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my new boyfriend says he is going to vote BNP

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susia · 02/05/2010 20:51

that's it really, I was really shocked and went into a bit of a rant. I can't believe someone I've been intimate with and been close to would vote bnp.

OP posts:
Kaloki · 03/05/2010 12:19

Alright DP, I'll bite

"- The ending of the scandalous and racist neglect that has left working class white boys at the bottom of the table for academic achievement;"

How about the underachieving working class black boys?

"- The teaching of a full curriculum of British history... and not the cherry-picked politically correct drivel being fed to children today "

History is already taught as predominantly British history. What part of if is politically correct drivel?

"- The restoration of discipline ? including corporal punishment "

Ah yes.. hitting children..

daftpunk · 03/05/2010 12:19

I agree, it's the 6 kids by 6 different fathers mentality that needs to change aswell...

I'd stop child benenfit...get the layabouts sitting around on benefits out cleaning the hospitals...then we wont need immigrants..

StewieGriffinsMom · 03/05/2010 12:20

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runnybottom · 03/05/2010 12:21

The difference there is they are teaching facts, and you are telling lies. Homosexuality IS natural.

You must have little faith in your abilities as a parent if your children are so easily swayed by teachers. My child has to attend a catholic school, and we are atheist. Its not a problem really though because it is my responsibility to teach him these things and he does not believe what his teachers tell him.

daftpunk · 03/05/2010 12:22

Poorer Black boys have over taken poorer white boys in school achievement..

The BNP are not making this up..

LittleMrsHappy · 03/05/2010 12:23

what if your son does believe and does not follow your beliefs RB?

daftpunk · 03/05/2010 12:29

Homosexuality is not natural to catholics..

That is a fact....and while it's true children don't always listen to their teachers, or indeed their parents...it leads to confusion if they are hearing two sets of values....

I'm not talking about 14 yr olds here, they don't listen to anyone...I'm talking about primary age children...they are too young to cope with homosexuality....they can just about work out hetrosexuality fgs..

Flamesparrow · 03/05/2010 12:32

What would you do if your child announced they were gay?

DH announced he would vote for UKIP a while back which disturbed me enough. Thankfully he doesn't vote. It was an "if I did then I would probably vote for" conversation... turned out he had heard just one thing from them and liked it

Flamesparrow · 03/05/2010 12:34

(and thank you SGM Love you adding in the confusion of Israel too )

runnybottom · 03/05/2010 12:34

Of course they aren't too young. My 5 year old knows exactly what gay means, even the 2 year old knows!

Its not confusing to hear different values, its called life. But then we aren't all as scared of other peoples values as you are.

Gay40 · 03/05/2010 12:38

No, I think you'll find that the catholic faith does not accept or condone homosexuality. But it's entirely natural to the human race.
(Not that people that vote BNP are members of the human race at all, imo.)

thecatatemygymsuit · 03/05/2010 12:44

The Catholic Church doesn't condone abortion either, Daft Punk, yet you have no problem with it, so it seems you are merely cherry picking the bits of your religion that you agree with?

Back to OP - it would be a complete dealbreaker for me, even in the unlikely event that after 15 years together DP suddenly had a complete volte-face and decided to vote BNP.

foureleven · 03/05/2010 12:48

Daftpunk - "Poorer Black boys have over taken poorer white boys in school achievement.."

Who gives a shit.. whats the relevence of 'black' I thought you were talking about immigrants? My nephew is 'black' his mother and our whole family bring him up and support him. Wouldhe be added to the statistic? What about black families whove been here for hundreds of years and worked and contributed?

This is where your whole arguement falls down, the BNP claim to be against immigrants because the country cant afford to take them in blah blah blah but its just a thinly covered veil for the fact that the BNP and supporters are against 'Black' and 'gay' and anything thats not white working class...

daftpunk · 03/05/2010 12:51

I think the abortion issue is slightly different, catholic women can be raped, they can have a pregnancy that threatens their own life etc, you have to have sympathy and understanding on that, I have anyway.

PfftTheMagicDragon · 03/05/2010 12:52

I'm not sure why anyone would be so indignant about which impoverished group of boys is doing worse than the other? You are outraged that a one deprived group is doing worse than another deprived group.

MAybe we could just concentrate on getting rid of deprived groups rather than giving a toss what colour they are?

Why do you want someone to come along and pull white boys up? So the black boys can go back to the bottom of the pile? How about pulling everyone up?

foureleven · 03/05/2010 12:53

"they are too young to cope with homosexuality....they can just about work out hetrosexuality fgs.. "

Maybe if people taught the two at the same time there wouldnt be so much confusion and concern as children get older.

My daughter said to me the other day 'I want to marry Katie' (her best friend) I said 'ok darling' She said I thought I had to marry a boy?' I said 'you dont have to marry anyone but if you do want to get married you can marry who ever you fall in love with, if they love you back'

She was more than happy with that, keep it simple.

It IS natural. Religion was created hundreds and hundreds of years ago before we were educated properly.

RunawayWife · 03/05/2010 12:54

But DP most of the "immigrants" working in our health system are highly trained Dr's Nurses and medical staff, so getting the layabouts to replace them would be hell in a hand cart, give me a fully trained medical professional of a different ethnic background any day over one of the home grown great unwashed with a giro in one hand and a pitbull in the other.

Also, my eldest son is at a faith school, I have no problem with him being taught about homosexuality, it has been spoken about, and not in a all burning in hell fire and brimstone way. Again though this is something that needs to be broached in the home, We have friends who have known DS1 and DS2 since birth who are same sex couples, we have never had to sit and explain it from scratch as my children grew up knowing that Rita lives with Shirley and Bob lives with John (not real names) just as they have friends from different ethnic backgrounds and have done from Birth so they see everyone as a person not a colour of sexuality.

A person has a value not because of colour, background, sexuality, religion or so on but on how that person behaves to others.
Yes young black boys commit crimes but so do young white boys, you can not tar a whole group with the same brush.

I bet if Nick Griffin was lying is agony somewhere in need of medical help he would not give a shit if that help came from a Dr from darkest Paru, the Australian outback or Camdon.

Yes this country has massive financial problems, problems in our school, hospitals, housing, but it is not all because of immigration. And for the record I know many more white home grown people sat at home on their backsides with multi fathered children doing a bit of cash in hand and waiting for my taxes to raise their ever growing brood and life style then I know non white non british people who do it.

daftpunk · 03/05/2010 12:57

No, it's just trying to turn the tide that's all...I personally think all children deserve the very best education, because education is the key to success, but when you have a situation where certain groups are favoured over white children...that is fundamentally wrong.

I don't believe in positive discrimination for jobs either...why should a black disabled lesbian get a job before me..?

Why..?

Quattrocento · 03/05/2010 12:57

My reaction on reading this thread is concern for the OP. Because I think there are self-esteem issues here. Why else opt for someone crass, controlling, stupid, bigoted and uneducated?

You cannot convert him. Mission impossible. Some people delight in ignorance and want to wallow in it for the rest of their lives. He'll drag you down and he'll resent you for trying to educate him and you'll resent him for being a twat.

jeananddolly · 03/05/2010 12:57

Stopped lurking on this thread to say that the BNP are repulsive and hateful but please don't fall into their trap of conflating white working class 'indigenous' population = BNP supporter or layabout / immigrant blaming / benefit scrounging / over-breeding etc. It's a false dichotomy set up by them and other racists as a divide and rule tactic. Besides it's bollocks as foureleven points out - we have a significant mixed race population as a result of our pattern of immigration (British slaves pre-nineteenth century were mostly male so we have a 500 year tradition of inter-marriage unlike the US where most slaves were families - I could bore people for years on the mixed race heritage of Britain...)

I think the OP should drop her BF mainly cos I think he is a figment of her imagination.

tittybangbang · 03/05/2010 12:57

"they are too young to cope with homosexuality"

All the homosexual people I know were aware of being attracted to members of the same sex before leaving primary.

What about them?

Personally I'd like to see a 'one in, one out' policy with immigration in this country.

One hard working, education-valuing, initiative showing immigrant in; one ignorant, complacent and lazy indiginous English person out.

Personally I think immigration is a wonderful thing. You've got to be pretty energetic and focused to move to another country and try to make a go of it. Fresh blood - improve the stock.

It's just we're getting a bit crowded now. So one in, one out.

To the OP: poor you. You must be

thecatatemygymsuit · 03/05/2010 13:00

DP I am pro-choice so respect a woman's right to have an abortion for any reason. But I am not catholic, and am genuinely surprised that you have no moral qualms about aborting a disabled child (is that not against the doctrine of your religion?), yet you believe to the letter that homosexuality is a sin.
How do you square that? Genuinely interested.

Sorry to go off topic. I also don't understand the distinction between black and white working-class boys, since all may be British and therefore not classified as immigrants.

foureleven · 03/05/2010 13:01

Rita and shirley sound great fun!

My children also grew up with homosexual couples and people from different racial backgrounds. Its a part of life. If you teach your children that white, straight people are better they will find it very hard to fit in to todays society.

My dsd's mum is a racist and homophobic, dsd will occassionaly come home to us and spout some bollocks about how all gay people have aids and i am terrified of the day she says something like that out in society.. Its not her fault she been brought up with this drivle but she will suffer, as will your children im afraid DP.

RunawayWife · 03/05/2010 13:04

DP Yes there are some problems with "positive discrimination" (stupid bloody term) and I truly believe that everybody should have a level playing field...

The trouble is because of people like the bloody Nasty Party so much hate and distrust is caused and nobody wins anything.

I would want the best person for the job, the one most qualified and best suited to it, be they black, white, able bodied, heterosexual or homosexual, the best person with the best skill set for the job.

daftpunk · 03/05/2010 13:05

" you've got to be pretty energetic and focused to move to another country "

Er, yeah...the prospect of free housing and a life on benefits does wonders for your metabolism..

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