In thinking that people with faith or religion are deluded?

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This stems from another couple of threads i'm on but until God can be proven isn't religion just an outdated patriachal method of control?

'also you may not have noticed, but most christians (it might be different for muslims as they seem to take it more seriously) just go to church once a week (or once a year), doze through a sermon and sing a hymn.'

You know this how, onagar? If you've 'noticed' that is the case for 'most' Christians you must have been to a lot of denominations' worship, no? You've been to a Baptist service? Or a High Anglican? And a Methodist chapel?

The whole point of religious approaches to death is that you have to relinquish your attachment to your life and the things of this life, or your personality, in order to embrace it without fear. ('..whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it' -- I know there's a Buddhist version of the same principal) The person I know who most embodies this ideal is an old lady in her 70s who is dying of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS)

abr1de, I was being generous. Most of the huge number of 'Christians' who get mentioned whenever anyone says this is a christian country don't even go to church. They just tick CofE on forms cos their parents did.

Go ask around. You wouldn't take my word for it anyway. Look it up.
You can probably get quite a bit of info from the churches complaining about hardly anyone turning up these days.

And read the threads on here where you will often see someone saying they don't like their religion any more and can someone suggest a better one.

TheFallenMadonna, was saying further back that she didn't have the option to change hers as it was what she believed. Now that I can respect, but many are much shallower in their belief and change around like switching from Tesco to Ocado.

Even the episodes written by that Russell T Davies with his Gay Atheist Agenda?

DW does have a bit of a jesus complex anyway - all that not dying, power of prayer when he defeated the master at end of S3 - glowing and floating type stuff. there are parallels....

Of course Russell T. will be be allowed, UQD. If there's no Torchwood in heaven, I will get my coat.

But I know what you mean about not being able to believe; I can't not believe. I can't say I've necessarily tried, but I do get a lot of guff for believing what I do. I have friends who don't believe, and my brother is an atheist who likes to remind me (pretty much every day) that what I believe is ridiculous. But as much as you can't bring yourself to believe, I can't bring myself not to, IYSWIM.