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Would I be unreasonable to deface this poster

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thursdaynamechange · 23/04/2010 17:14

BNP poster attached to railings at intersection - it says:

"People like you vote BNP"

There is just enough room to scrub out 'you' and put Nazis.

I'm seriously considering it - I'm all for democracy and I wouldn't give a rats ass if someone defaced the Tory ones with 'duck pond'.

As far as I'm concerned the leader was/is a Holocaust denier (he says he was but he's come round now) so to scribble NAZI on it is accurate and not a slur.

OP posts:
TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 24/04/2010 17:57

ivestillgotit - you kind of contradicted yourself there.

You have nothing against legal migrants...
... but you want the Eastern Europeans out?

They are totally legal, we can't get them 'out' without leaving the EU (a policy you may well agree with, IDK), which would leave us getting back all the Britons currently living in other EU countries, which isn't going to change our population much.

Are you sure the flats you're talking about are council, not housing association? I thought E.Europe migrants had no entitlement to benefit/council housing till they'd be working for three years, but that's just off the top of my head, I'd have to look it up.

And I don't drive a 4x4, by the way, as I think climate change is a massive problem coming to bite us in the arse. Unlike the BNP, who think it's all made up.

mrbundle · 24/04/2010 18:07

"6.8 per cent of social lettings in 2008/9 were to households headed by a foreign national"

6.8% doesn't mean that all social housing is full of immigrants. It means that out of every 100 council owned homes, 6.8% are headed by foreign national.

"A8 migrants make a positive net fiscal contribution, and are 13 per cent less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits than their UK counterparts"

If the net contribution is possitive, what is the problem?

daftpunk · 24/04/2010 18:19

gorionine;

I admit the Muslim immigration policy will be detrimental to some Muslims, but that's politics, you can't have a seperate policy for each Muslim....there are winners and losers with any political party.

The BNP want to stop the Islamification of the UK, this is their way of dealing with that issue.
..... they don't mess about.

mrbundle · 24/04/2010 18:25

What is "the Islamification of the UK"?

And why is it a bad thing?

Is it equally as bad to have Catholics, Sikhs, Hindus, atheists migrating here?

If so, how?

If not, why not?

sparkle12mar08 · 24/04/2010 18:35

Fantastic post Heathen, let's send daftpunk back under the rock where she and her religion came from too. Can't imagine anything that would make me happier!

sparkle12mar08 · 24/04/2010 18:36

Okay, why can't I do strike outs?!

mrbundle · 24/04/2010 18:39

You have to do it around every word it takes forever

sparkle12mar08 · 24/04/2010 18:42

Tried that, didn't show up on the preview? Am I a numpty technoidiot?

sparkle12mar08 · 24/04/2010 18:42

Ooh, ooh I did it!

edam · 24/04/2010 19:02

Good grief at all the mimsy people who think there's something incredibly precious about political posters. Defacing posters, heckling, throwing eggs - there's a long history of all of these things in our democracy. Democracy by the people, for the people - everyone, not just those who own a building to put a party poster up.

We didn't get the right to vote by sending terribly polite letters to the Times, you know. Our ancestors used direct action. Fom not-always-terribly peaceful demonstrations (although they often started out peaceful until those in charge sent in the army or police to beat people up - or shoot them) to chaining yourself to railings (criminal damage) to hunger strikes, to disrupting meetings.

Getting your knickers in a twist about someone writing on a poster really IS an affront to democracy.

And anyway, by sticking up a poster, that party is taking charge of the public realm. They are forcing their opinions and identity onto passers-by minding their own business. Perfectly reasonable response for one of those passers-by to get a pen out.

olderandwider · 24/04/2010 19:34

thursdaynamechange - Just like to repeat earlier comment, report the BNP to local council for flyposting. They'll get a fine. Pretty obvious who the culprit is after all.

LilyBolero · 24/04/2010 19:43

The 'Islamification of the UK' is a myth. I see no evidence of it at all. It is fantastic having different cultures in a country, and actually they feed each other. Start getting rid of cultures and you don't end up with 'indigenous British culture', you end up with grey no culture.

Kaloki · 24/04/2010 19:59

Good on the OP

Have to say, this Islamification is well hidden. And I lived in a town with a large Muslim population. But, you know, don't let the facts get in the way

thursdaynamechange · 24/04/2010 20:07

Not very impressed at daftpunk not answering my question about the BNP being holocaust deniers

I'm guessing even she doesn't want to be seen to be a supporter of Jewish pogroms.

Hopefully she's against that and she'll come back and confirm it.

Here's a nice poem for us all by Pastor Niemoller:

"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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LadyBiscuit · 24/04/2010 20:11

The BNP are not racist? Clue's in the name isn't it?

lifeissweet · 24/04/2010 20:23

I agree completely with Edam. I love how the British people have a history of standing up for themselves - and I especially enjoy it when we do it with a bit of wit and cheek like the OP did.

We are not a nation who will swallow the lines we are fed, in general. The exception is those who vote BNP without realising (I genuinely hope) what a hateful and distasteful party they really are.

Hitting children? In all honesty, you could make it legal, but I very much doubt any caring teacher with the best interests of the children at heart would contemplate it anyway.

Why do so many people seem to agree with the horrible immigration policy too? For a party which claims to be all about 'Britishness' they have absolutely no idea what it means to be truly British. We are a nation formed by wave upon wave of immigration. As a result we have a rich and expressive language, excellent musicians with a vast range of cultural influences and artists with the same. I am so proud of our tolerant and accepting society, so get sickened when it is threatened in this way.

I would like to eject Nick Griffin from the country for being unBritish.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 24/04/2010 21:26

Found out today that Morris dancing is actually from the Spanish Moors ('Moorish' became 'Morris'), who were of course Muslims.
Interesting stuff, eh?

Of course a culture needs to adapt and grow and change, or it will just shrivel up and die. Perhaps the real threat to British culture is from the closed-minded parochialism of the BNP?

Reading the manifesto today (I do these things so you don't have to ), I noticed this little doozie:

"The BNP will ensure that the distribution of National Lottery funds takes place in a fashion which encourages British culture, and not to so-called ?modern art? projects that insult, debase and discredit art.
Similar considerations apply to the Turner Prize, which has long become a degenerate icon of modern day social engineering."

So not only no foreign imported culture, but no high-brow art that the BNP don't understand? Wow, what a fascinating and exciting place to live this country would be...

(I was looking for their policies on divorce/children/marriage/marital rape by the way, but they didn't manage to squeeze those in. In the 94 pages.)

loubielou31 · 24/04/2010 21:35

Put up your own poster right next to it but bigger, no criminal damage issues yet still making your point?

gorionine · 25/04/2010 08:52

""I admit the Muslim immigration policy will be detrimental to some Muslims, but that's politics, you can't have a seperate policy for each Muslim....there are winners and losers with any political party.""

No, you cannot have a different policy for each Muslim but you cane have 1 policy that is fair instead. It will not only be detrimental to some Muslims, It will be detrimental to some "indegenous" British people too ( a lot of good doctors, kitchen porters,... will not be here anymore).

I have yet to be convinced that NG actually has the best interest of British people as a priority.

ooojimaflip · 25/04/2010 08:55

Defacing posters is always funny. So YANBU.

ooojimaflip · 25/04/2010 08:58

Well the BNP have lost MY vote for that all to common misuse of 'so-called'. You can disagree about if it is 'art' you can't disagree that is is CALLED 'modern art'.

edam · 25/04/2010 11:16

heathen - so even the BNP are intelligent enough to realise a manifesto telling us what they really plan for women would be a vote-loser? Wow.

Their misogynistic rants were exposed in a document that was linked on an MN thread, but I have no idea which one. It was definitely party policy.

daftpunk · 25/04/2010 11:25

Can you link me Labours or the Liberals polices on woman.....do they have a policy purely on "women" ....I'd love to read it if they have. Why do expect the BNP to have seperate policies on women, children, divorce and rape...??

For your information, the BNP have alot of women in the party, they have been key fiqures in their success actually.

edam · 25/04/2010 11:28

You've got it the wrong way round, DP. I don't 'expect' the BNP to have policies on women. They decided to have policies on women. Which are horrific.

daftpunk · 25/04/2010 11:32

Can you link me the BNP's policy on women...

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