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AIBU?

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AIBU to not want to breastfeed?

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VixeyV · 20/04/2010 23:04

Hi this is my first post but I have been a lurker since the start of my pregnancy.

Anyway, my question is I'm 20 weeks pregnant and the midwife keeps pushing me into breastfeeding. I just don't want to and don't get why she won't stop asking me how I'll feed.

To be honest, the thought of it freaks me out. I didn't breastfeed my daughter and she's fine on formula, she has aptimal because that's the best.

So what do you think? Should my midwife stop nagging me?

OP posts:
booyhoo · 24/04/2010 17:13

google it claire. the information is not hard to find for someone who wants to find it. try kellymom for a start.

bruffin · 24/04/2010 17:28

the colour of our skin makes a bigger difference to the chances of a child getting leukhemia than breast feeding does.

MilaMae · 24/04/2010 17:38

What rubbish Bubbly,everybody does not keep quiet about the benefits of bf,it's absolutely everywhere and well discussed.

Some mothers just don't feel the need to obsess about it in the same way they don't obsess about the benefits of limiting tv, limiting screen time, limiting sweets etc,etc,etc. None of us do the best thing for our dc all the time.

Many mothers feed their dc inferior food,let them participate in inferior activities,feed their dc inferior drinks etc etc. For some reason this is ok but we are all supposed to obsess on this one particular issue.It's so tedious.

We all know:-

-breast milk is better than formula
-toys that promote imagination are better than TV
-a diet low in fat is better than a diet with too much fat
-a diet with plenty of fruit and veg is better than a diet with little fruit and veg
-a lifestyle with plenty of exercise is better than a lifestyle with not enough
-too much sugar rots teeth
-home cooked food is better than convenience
-reading to your child is better than giving them computer games
-remaining calm during a tantrum is better than loosing it.....

These are all aspects of parenting we know are important, for some reason some parents think the bfeeding aspect needs more guilt,more promotion,more scaremongering than any of the others. I personally think it's so hypocritical of some people to focus on this one issue in particular when I'm damn sure they're not the model mother in every single other area and would be the first to complain if they were expected to crucify themselves with guilt over said "inferior" parenting.

piscesmoon · 24/04/2010 17:55

A very sensible post MilaMae.

bubbleymummy · 24/04/2010 18:03

Milamae, I mean keep quiet about the risks of formula not the benefits of breastfeeding. Most people are made aware of the benefits of breastfeeding but they aren't told about the risks of ff. I think this is completely backwards.

You do make some v valid points. I am by no means saying that bf v ff is the be all and end all of parenting but I really do dislike the way misinformation is passed around as fact and because no one wants to offend a ff mother by telling her she us putting her child at risk of x,y,z no one will say anything to correct her and she may go on to pass that info on to another mum who is trying to make a decision about whether or not to bf.

LittleMrsHappy · 24/04/2010 18:07

Bubbly she IS NOT putting her child at risk by formula feeding, she may be putting her child at risk, their is a difference!

piscesmoon · 24/04/2010 18:08

Lots of people feel failures if they can't bf so I don't think that piling on the guilt helps. There will be people who will always choose ff, whatever. I think it much better to promote bf and not go on about the risks of ff. The carrot is always better than the stick IMO.

booyhoo · 24/04/2010 18:14

well if someone was posting "AIBU to not want to feed my children veg/not stimulate their imaginations/make sure they got enough excerise" and not even willing to try it because it was weird then they would get a far worse response than OP received in this thread.

and i constantly feel as if i am chasing my tail trying to make sure they have enough of all the good stuff and i do feel guilty if they dont.

booyhoo · 24/04/2010 18:19

i dont think it should be made to be a case of the 'risks of FF' because it is actually the risks of NOT breastfeeding that is the issue. it just happens to be that the only acceptable option other than BF is FF (unless you consider cows' milk and mash suitable )and so it becomes a battle of the two.

Formula feeding isn't the risk. NOT breastfeeding is the risk.

pigletmania · 24/04/2010 18:37

As long as the baby is being fed thats the main thing, bm if you can, formula if you cant and dont. There is more risk of me not feeding my baby at all than giving it formula, breastmilk was not really an option as i could for a long time not for various factors

piscesmoon · 24/04/2010 19:16

Lots of people can't bf-I don't think they should beat themselves up about it.

bubbleymummy · 24/04/2010 19:25

Littlemrshappy, ff babies are at greater risk of a number of things, see earlier posts for a v comprehensive list.

tittybangbang · 24/04/2010 19:42

"the colour of our skin makes a bigger difference to the chances of a child getting leukhemia than breast feeding does"

Maybe. But you can't do anything (safe) about the colour of a child's skin. Almost everyone can breastfeed.

"Formula feeding isn't the risk. NOT breastfeeding is the risk"

Well - not so really. Not in the case of all illnesses which are higher in ff babies. The link between higher rates of type 1 diabetes and ff is possibly down to an abnormal immune response in some children when they're exposed to the proteins in cows milk.

And ff babies who get gastro-enteritis may have a less healthy gut environment because of the higher levels of non-available iron if formula. And bacteria, which is sometimes present in formula which has been left sitting around for too long. Not forgetting the 5 deaths in Europe over the past few years caused by enterobactor sakazakii, which is present in some batches of formula and which can sometimes make children very sick indeed.

tittybangbang · 24/04/2010 19:46

Sorry - should have added, 'exposed to the proteins in cows milk early on, while the gut is still porous in early infancy'.

And it's not about 'carrots' and 'sticks' - it's about treating us like responsible adults and giving us full, clear and unbiased information about both breastfeeding and formula feeding.

booyhoo · 24/04/2010 19:46

i didn't realise that titty. so in fact Formula itself can be responsible for some illnesses.

WhosYourDaddy · 24/04/2010 19:49

On the basis that breast is clearly best do you want to look back knowing that you did not do the very best you were capable of for him or her?

tittybangbang · 24/04/2010 20:10

Milamae - you have described breastfeeding as an 'optimal' parenting behaviour, like feeding a child on a perfectly balanced weaning diet, buying them educational toys and limiting television. If that's the case - how are we supposed to see bottlefeeding? As the 'good enough' standard against which breastfeeding should be measured? But breastfeeding isn't perfect parenting behaviour - it's simply the biologically normal way to feed babies, generally possible for all women - rich and poor, old and young, educated and uneducated.

Anyway - this summary of Diane Weissinger's essay 'mind your language' explains it better than me:

"Negative Messages In Breastfeeding Language@

People tend to use a pocketful of standard language when attempting to support a newly-breastfeeding mom. Words like ?best?, ?advantages?, ?special bond?, and a slew of adjectives to describe the breastfed baby that end in ?er: ?smarter, healthier, better-smelling?. While this sounds benign, even positive, there are hidden messages to these words that may undermine a woman?s breastfeeding efforts. Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC addresses these in her essay, ?Watch Your Language?, originally published in the Journal of Human Lactation, Vol. 12, No. 1, 1996.

Breast Is Best
How many breastfeeding supporters have spouted ?breast is best? or talked about the ?optimal? way to feed babies, the ?ideal? food? These words sound positive, but Wiessinger warns that the underlying message is that breastfeeding is something that perfect people, perfect moms aspire to, not regular people. Wiessinger asks if you are the ?best possible parent? or if your home is ?ideal?. Probably not. But ask yourself this: is your mothering ?inadequate?? Are your meals ?deficient??Those words have a completely different feel. Says Wiessinger, breastfeeding is not ?better? than formula feeding. Formula feeding is sub-standard as compared to the norm, which is breastfeeding.

Advantages of Breastfeeding
When encouraging a new mom to breastfeed, it seems perfectly fine and sensible to list the advantages of breastfeeding. However, Wiessinger points out that these advantages are often phrased in a way that establishes bottle and formula-feeding as the norm. When you talk about breastfed babies being smarter and healthier, you are essentially saying they are ?better than? what people normally are. In truth, many people are happy to just be normal. When the phrasing is changed to reflect breastfeeding as the norm, the sentiment again changes. Says Wiessinger, ?Breastfed babies are not ?healthier;? artificially-fed babies are ill more often and more seriously.? Breastfed babies are not smarter; artificially-fed children have lower IQs.

Special Bond Breastfeeding Brings
The special bond that breastfeeding brings is often spoken of. But should it be considered special, or should it be considered a basic, essential part of mothering? Wiessinger points out that the word ?special? often connotes something out of the ordinary. It?s a lot of work to build a ?special? relationship. Special means ?hard?, ?time-consuming?, ?above and beyond?. These are not words an exhausted new mom wants to contemplate. The bond between a nursing mom and her baby is nothing more than an extraordinary relationship that women were meant to have with their children. Artificially feeding robs them both of that bond.

Choice to Bottlefeed
Yes, the choice of how to feed your infant is there thanks to the billion-dollar formula industry. The medical community will often simply ask how a mother plans to feed her baby, and not intervene when the answer is ?bottle?. Wiessinger argues that if a woman confessed to her doctor that she had taken up smoking recently, he would do everything in his power to ensure she fully understood the hazards and risks of her choice, especially now when she had the greatest chance of making a change. Not giving parents the same treatment with regards to their feeding choice is at best hypocritical and at worst irresponsible. An uninformed choice is not a choice at all.

booyhoo · 24/04/2010 20:16

titty i have never though of how i talk when referring to breastfeeding. thank you that was a great post.

JosieZ · 24/04/2010 20:49

when I read the phrase BFeeding Nazis at the start of the thread it seemd a bit OTT - but now I see why.

Poor OP probably wanted a discussion and to hear others' experiences.

She is probably busy researching adoption procedures as we speak,

  • realising that she is obviously wholly unfit to be a mother with such unacceptable childrearig views.
MiladyDeWinter · 24/04/2010 20:50

I honestly don't want to offend anyone, but formula is a manufactured food with all sorts of additives so it essentially weaning from whenever it is used.

According to many sources, formula permeates the immature gut as opposed to breast milk which coats and lines it, to protect the newborn. That is a real physiological reason why using formula is against the biological norm.

The risks of formula are all to do with the fact that it acts in a completely different way to BM.

For example, the (excess) iron in formula doesn't bond at a molecular level with the iron from BM, which causes constipation. Formula manufacturers know this. This is why many formulas have ingredients which have a laxative effect.

And the free-floating iron in the bloodstream is a lovely source of food for viruses and bacteria which enables them to multiply.

So there are risks involved with using formula rather than BF just being vaguely better for reasons hardly known.

I speak / type as someone who gave up BF my DD because I didn't have access to information in 2000, and someone who was more or less determined to FF my DS until the most cursory of reading of Mumsnet made me realise that I couldn't not give him the best I could for as long as I could.

He is now almost three, recently diagnosed as autistic and I'm bloody glad I used MN as a resource as BF is the only chance I get to be close to him

MilaMae · 24/04/2010 20:52

"Artificial feeding robs them off that bond" Totally,utterly appalling!!!!!!

I have the most amazing bond with all 3 of my dc how dare Diane Wessenger infer otherwise- what a total utter loon.

''Artificially- fed babies have lower IQs"-what every single artificially fed baby has a lower IQ than bf -what total utter tosh!!!!!!

MiladyDeWinter · 24/04/2010 20:52

Oh FGS,

"the iron in formula doesn't bond at a molecular level compared to the iron in BM"

booyhoo · 24/04/2010 20:53

well she certainly got a 'discussion'!!

fwiw, OP should have known after lurking since the start of her pregnancy that posting about BF in AIBU would receive a bit more than a back rub and a "there, there pet".

baskingseals · 24/04/2010 20:55

miladay right stop it - that post has brought tears to my eyes. Don't know what to say except i feel really humble

MadameCastafiore · 24/04/2010 20:55

Goodness - what do you think boobs are for Men's pleasure????